@JonEricson yeah, we all know what that means, and we're trying to make progress here. :-)
@JonEricson, it occurred to me that one way to keep track of pending actions -- answers that don't meet our standards but we're trying to give the authors some time -- would be to create a special meta post or chat room where we link them with get-back-to dates (or just use the posting dates plus delta). When a post is resolved (one way or the other) we delete it. That way the buffer is accessible but nobody has to go crawling through Library transcripts to find them.
This also makes their status public -- how public depends on whether it's meta (bump every time something is added) or a chat room, but either way, anybody can see what the state is, rather than doing it through flags.
Totally OT, but some of you might enjoy: I'm in the SCA, a group that studies and (selectively) recreates the middle ages and renaissance, and this past weekend I helped supply music for a recreation of a historic coronation ceremony -- secularized, 'cause the SCA is like that and anyway I wouldn't participate in a mass, and of course both male and female singers, but still... fun! And nifty. Blog entry with links to the ceremony and recordings.
@MonicaCellio Authenticity was not, I feel, a priority. It was a Haloween event, and included archery with zombie targets. And then it rained so we went inside and played board games. But it was wonderful fun, and a group of people I could fit right into, which is rare for me.
@TRiG ah. Yes, events run a spectrum. :-) When I found the SCA it was just the thing to help a socially-awkward D&D-playing college student; the interest in authenticity came later.
@MonicaCellio Yup. It had the same feel as Discworld Cons. I really must play D&D one day. (Unfortunately, my geeky friends are not in the same town as I am: I know some in Galway, in Dublin, and in Belfast, but none in Tullamore.)
@TRiG I was initially attracted to the SCA by the fighting (which, at first look, I thought was "live D&D" -- LARP hadn't been invented yet). I fought for several years -- wasn't any good really, but I enjoyed it. Eventually it got crowded out by things I enjoyed more and was maybe better at (archery, choir, dancing, instrumental music... the nights added up).
@MonicaCellio I was dragged to this event by my friend in Belfast. It was in Clara, a small town very close to Tullamore, and she said that if she was coming all the way to the midlands, she might as well pick me up too. So she did, and I had a great time (and stayed up half the night chatting).
@JonEricson I'm fine with post notices, but others might not be. Also, note that we're talking about something fairly early here; this isn't "what to do after a week has gone by" but "how to keep track of it so we come back later".
But post notices have the advantage of being all linked in one place for easy review, so they work well from that perspective.
@JonEricson Given the tiny proportion of users who end up in chat, I think a chat room is a lot less public than the main site. I wonder if we could use this room though. All we need to do is make anyone who wants to help with this a room owner so they can pin messages and come up with an agreed format. What do you think @Monica?
@JackDouglas bummer. I agree with getting the reason for the review into the message somehow, though, even if the formatting isn't ideal. Here, let me try.
@JackDouglas I think we're going to need to talk about review times; I tend to want faster turn-around than you. It probably depends on the nature of the problem, too; gotta think more about that. (But I have to leave for an hour or so now.)
@JackDouglas unpin when resolved. If we get too many we can always make a different room, or collect several into one chat message, or something. Let's see what happens.
@JackDouglas I'm back now. On time periods -- closed questions are sort of at the whim of the asker; when he edits the question will pop and we'll see it. Ditto people who edit answers in response to feedback. So the issue is keeping track of things where people don't edit. [cont]
For closed questions, we mostly don't care unless we're going to delete it if it's not fixed. So if there's a pending delete then note and pin else we probably don't need to worry, right? How long do we wait on a question deletion? (Has this come up before?)
The common case (what I suspect has generated most of the flags so far) is bad answers. Setting aside the ones that need to be dealt with immediately (e.g. offensive), we're talking about VLQ and NAA that could in principle be fixed. So a comment has been left and we wait...how long? I think the trigger on these should be relatively short, a couple days at most. Delete isn't forever; if the OP comes back a week later and wants to fix it, we can do that. But meanwhile, no broken window.
Perhaps timing can be a little dynamic; somebody who only pops in a couple times a week could get more slack than someone who's here and answering every day but not responding to pending issues. I don't think we can quantify that; not sure how to address that.
Ok, done with that first blast. @JackDouglas, thoughts?
Oh, one more thought -- everything I said assumes that people vote promptly (and can reverse those votes later). If that's not a safe assumption (i.e. if we're not going to promote that behavior), things are more complicated.
@MonicaCellio NAA: flag and mod-delete immediately
VLQ (ie not just 'doesn't show work', so one-liners etc): comment and give a couple of days grace
'doesn't show work': to be decided on meta, but I'd hope we'd give at least a week to fix before deleting, if indeed deletion is decided on as the action for these answers
(it may be better just to post-notice them and leave it at that, I'm not sure what I think)
that's my thoughts at the moment…
I agree about the 'closed' comments, no need to review those unless we really want it deleted if it isn't edited.
@JackDouglas yeah, I was lumping all "inadequate quality" together and I shouldn't have. A post that doesn't meet our quality requirements (now that we seem to have cosnsensus on those) requires action, but some more immediate than others. I could wait a week on "doesn't show work" if there is a clear, visible sign of the problem (not just a comment, but either significant DVs or annotation). Of course we can't tell people how to vote.
@JackDouglas I'm guessing that question we would actually want to delete have something severe going on, severe enough that we'd deal with it via flags and/or meta/chat discussion, and we don't need to make a general rule.
Should I pin a couple of poor answers here for consideration? (And I guess unpin your current one, as we don't actually need to act on closed questions.)
Hey, check this out (for the info itself, and for the timing hint -- auto-deletion kicks in in 7 days, so less-severe decisions at least shouldn't be longer than that):
The following changes are live now:
Deleted questions will be visible to their authors, regardless of those authors' reputation. They won't be linked to anywhere that they're not already linked, but if someone knows where to find their question and it's been deleted, they should always be able...
@theosis commenting is a lot more flexible. And you can always come into chat; that's even more flexible. Calling questions "stupid" isn't very nice, though, quite aside from any mocking.
I got about halfway through this answer before the chatty tone sort of overcame me. (Plus it's not a subject I know well, which is why I didn't read it the first time.) There's probably a serious answer under there, but I'm having trouble getting past the inline "editorializing", if you know what I mean.
@theosis well, I hope there's a middle ground. Given limited time, maybe try to choose the questions where you know you can give the best answers, and do that?
@theosis sorry you feel that way. I don't know Greek, but with Hebrew I've found that a lexicon often isn't enough; I need to look at other uses, at the context, sometimes at history (idiom can be especially tricky that way), etc. But the site isn't for everybody, I agree.
The text is broken up with one book per file. Each file has one or more categories (e.g. gospel and pauline). In the files there is one sentence (not verse) per line. Sentences are demarcated by punctuation . ; and ·. This makes it easy to tokenize sentences by splitting on newlines.
Each word is accompanied by the morphological tag in the word/tag format (NLTK will automatically split word and tag on the slash). The part of speech tag is separated from the parsing information with a hyphen, which enables the use of the simplify tags function in NLTK.
On another note, one of my most horrific papers about bigram analysis in text messages (for the purpose of identifying criminal behavior) is getting published by IEEE
@swasheck haha the code can generally be applied to any corpus, I'll share some of my favorite steps. All programmers are lazy. So of course I re-use functions
The following changes are live now:
Deleted questions will be visible to their authors, regardless of those authors' reputation. They won't be linked to anywhere that they're not already linked, but if someone knows where to find their question and it's been deleted, they should always be able...
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