09:21
Well, I have edited my edit to remove what was offensive. I'm sorry, I should have started like that.
All I am saying is that something has to cool for the degenerate core to form. Even if it already exists in the carbon core of a large star, it did not exist during the hydrogen-burning period, and most of the helium burning either. Once degenerate it does not give up any heat, but heat must get out, somehow, for it to form in the first place. If the matter of the entire star was not hot, any star or more than 1.5 solar mass would collapse in a neutron star or a black hole.
8 hours later…
17:40
Let's both cool down, your answer has got plenty of upvotes. Yes, the material that becomes the AGB core and then the white dwarf must cool, but it becomes hotter - a natural consequence of the virial theorem. The reason the core becomes degenerate is not because its temperature gets lower it is because it becomes more dense.
The white dwarf forms by shedding its envelope and it moves to the top left of the HR diagram. From there is cools at almost constant radius (and constant Fermi energy). The value of the Fermi energy is in the range 1-10 MeV, depending on the mass of the white dwarf ("of order MeV). Electrons have energies from zero up to the Fermi energy.
Have aplay with this widget I made (a long time ago, not for this discussion!). You can set the T to 1E8K and the density to 10^10 kg/m^3 (about right for the centre of an average white dwarf. You can see the Fermi energy is about 1 MeV and the degeneracy parameter is 60 before it has even started on the WD cooling phase.
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19:54
Yes, the ions are what contain the thermal energy once the electrons are degenerate. I never said the anything different.
But my point is that the mass core was able to increase because cooling ions were falling upon it taking with them electrons for neutrality, because some of the hot ions in the "intermediate" part of the star (NOT in the immediate neighbourhood of the WD inside the star but not the far part either) were cooling. If that mass had been already in the WD core all stars with very large masses would have become neutron stars or BH.
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