VBA Rubberducking

Mathieu Guindon

12:00 AM

Ah, good points!

and thanks!

Duga

RELOAD!

Mathieu Guindon

The OnSomething thing is really just a recommendation for naming things though

Duga

[rubberduck-vba/RubberduckWeb] 1 opened issue. 1 issue comment.

[skiwi2/pokemon-buylist] 4 commits. 72 additions. 13 deletions.

[Zomis/minesweeper-flags-client] 1 opened issue.

Mathieu Guindon

I don't think any VBA typelib uses that convention

Duga

[Zomis/minesweeper-server] 1 commit. 132 additions.

[Minesweeper] Games Played: 143, Bombs Used: 88, Moves Performed: 17928, New Users: 17

this

12:38 AM

Hmm i seem to recall it being used in msxml or mshtml.

Quack Exchange

4:08 AM

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Q: Visual Basic For Applications | Array Functions - Insert Element | Remove Element

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IvenBach

4:58 AM

INSANE EXCEL CHALLENGE - Over 9 hours to reach the bottom of Excel..

►

Tweeting Duck

5:18 AM

I learned a lot about #Excel at the recent MVP summit at Microsoft's campus in Redmond. Some brand new secret things and some things that are public but not well publicised. So read on... https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/secrets-from-mvp-summit-wyn-hopkins

Tweeted by wynhopkins on March 28, 2019 at 2:45 AM

IvenBach

@TweetingDuck I think he's referring to our benevolent Mug.

IvenBach

5:59 AM

@TweetingDuck time to start tinkering with custom events.

Vogel612

8:07 AM

@BloggingDuck something something inadvertent arrow code

Vogel612

11:14 AM

sigh

mansellan

@Vogel612 ?

Vogel612

the old adage around working on the clock...

mansellan

ah...

Vogel612

'specially with the gunking pile of steaming garbage that I'm working on RN

mansellan

btdt, you have my sympathy sir

Vogel612

11:20 AM

thanks...

mansellan

'specially since it sounds like its Java... doubleplus-ungood

Vogel612

nah. it's not Java... it's JAVA

totally different language

mansellan

oh well, that's something :-)

Vogel612

not something good, mind you

mansellan

"It could be worse. It could be Java"

best I stop there, lest I incur the Wrath Of Larry :shudder:

Vogel612

11:34 AM

who are you referring to?

mansellan

lol

Vogel612

11:55 AM

owait is that a reference to the TENDOT movie?

Mathieu Guindon

My new favourite GIF to approve PR’s! #clippy #devops https://t.co/72egEr3z5K

Tweeted by iMicknl on March 27, 2019 at 4:38 PM

Hosch250

@Vogel612 Larry Ellison, I think :)

Vogel612

hum... that'd make sense, yes.

this

1:03 PM

I like Larry. He has a striking face.

Hosch250

@this Is that a pun?

this

Surely, he has been struck many times and will be struck many more times.

Quack Exchange

1:29 PM

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Q: VBA code on comparing two columns

NEED VBA CODE FOR THIS PROBLEM. I have two different columns in a spreadsheet, and I want to compare the values of the two and want to display in the third column, whether the values are present I both the columns or if present in one column and absent in another, and vice versa. Please respond ...

vba excel

Hosch250

Pirates of Penzance hasn't lost anything with age.

this

@QuackExchange definitely need to inspect for implicit references to various objects. This code as is is unnecessarily brittle because of that.

Mathieu Guindon

> Please respond as early as possible, its urgent.

#SignsYoureOnTheWrongSite

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this

Maybe CR should add "This is not an emergency services. Please call 911 in event of an emergency."

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Vogel612

@this if you argument that correctly, you might get quite a few upvotes on MSO for something like that

mansellan

1:43 PM

@QuackExchange Oh please oh please oh please.....

Hosch250

For anyone who wants to commit suicide by looking at back code, they can set up a programming emergency site.

this

Probably shouldn't have 911 in there. 1) I don't think that's international and 2) WTH the 911 operators going to do all those calls "Halp! I need code right now!"

Hosch250

> Please call your local emergency number.

Vogel612

~sigh... I'm not sure whether the crap thingy I have here works now ..

mansellan

@this 999 here, or the euro-wide 112 (which almost no-one knows about)

Hosch250

1:45 PM

@mansellan I wonder if it works in the US.

You guys can't do anything if I try, right?

this

I always heard it was 911 to avoid accident button mashing. Wouldn't 999 or 112 be liable to that?

Hosch250

Even if you did, I bet the US wouldn't extradite me.

mansellan

@this perhaps, idk

Hosch250

And if they did, I'd have already lost the case, so I'd just troll the court as hard as possible.

mansellan

but 999 predates phone buttons, back to the days of clicky-dials

Vogel612

1:46 PM

nrghhhhh... damn you OSGi

this

but that's even worse!

Vogel612

why you make it so easy to completely fuck up the basics of how DI works as a decoupling framework?

this

I mean, you wait the longest on the rotary on the 999 in a case of emergency

I mean, don't you want it to be 111 so you don't have to watch rotary unwind itself for so long?

mansellan

yep, the irony has been noted by others

Hosch250

Maybe back in the day, emergencies were less emergency-y.

Like, everyone knew how to take care of themselves, and their neighbors would come to their aid too.

It was probably mostly used for fires at first, TBH.

And for a long time even then in many places, they just rang the fire bell, and everyone came to help.

And yes, the first two lines are sarcasm. I just forgot to use the sarcasm font

Vogel612

2:02 PM

I'm starting to longingly stare at intoxicants at this point...

oh wow... @spolsky is giving up his CEO job

this

Isn't that old news?

There's lot of changes lately at ~~Fog Creek~~ Glitch Software

Hosch250

@this What a weird name for a software company. It's... less than optimistic, for sure.

this

Yeah. They also renamed FogBugz to Manuscript which made zero sense

then they sold it to another company who had more sense to restore the original name.

they're now all about the "Glitch" software... whatever it is.

Vogel612

2:47 PM

@this not at Glitch (fka. Fog Creek). At Stackoverflow Inc.

in The 2nd Monitor, 45 mins ago, by Feeds

The Next CEO of Stack Overflow

Joel Spolsky on March 28, 2019

Big news! We’re looking for a new CEO for Stack Overflow. I’m stepping out of the day to day and up to the role of Chairman of the Board. Stack Overflow has been around for more than a decade. As I look back, it’s really amazing how far it has come. Only six months after we had launched Stack Overflow, my co-founder Jeff Atwood and I were invited to speak at a Microsoft conference for developers in Las Vegas. We were there, I think, to demonstrate that you could use their latest ASP.NET MVC technology on a real website without too much of a disaster. (In fact .NET has been a huge, unmitigated …

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Huh. I thought he already left SO long ago

Mathieu Guindon

Jeff did

this

Oh okay. Probably conflated the one with other.

Joel's (and maybe Jeff's, too) MO seems to be starting something cool then bail out before it burns'n'crash.

half-kidding

Vogel612

Jeff went on to start discourse, which is used extensively across multiple platforms nowadays

this

yep

Vogel612

2:55 PM

also there's some drama around stuff he said publicly and on meta about SO the company ...

sooooo .... ~shrug?

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Still, you got to give them props - IINM, before the SO was a thing, Jeff gave Joel a uh, chastening over the wasabi thing, but they ended up working together to make SO.

Vogel612

right. that happened

though most of the pre-SO history of the two is basically ancient internet history by now

Hosch250

@Vogel612 Jeff?

Vogel612

@Hosch250 Atwood

Hosch250

I meant, drama about Jeff?

Vogel612

3:00 PM

yea, here and there, this and that. Best lost to history

Hosch250

TBH, I think Jeff has a clearer view of what's going on with SO than Joel; probably partially because he's not in it anymore.

I don't know all of it, but I think he's right about the welcome thing. That it's decreasing the quality of the content.

@this That's actually a reasonably MO.

Not everyone can start new things and make them successful, and not everyone can run them in their maturity. It takes different business models.

this

@Hosch250 being a hipster is reasonable?

;-)

Hosch250

Some people think so :P

this

3:25 PM

I wonder if one can write a refactoring to convert all those stupid global expression into a local variable.

mansellan

System I built just got a shout-out from the CEO in our monthly towhall :-)

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this

:+1:

mansellan

:blush:

It's adding way more to our bottom line than my salary costs, so that's nice...

Hosch250

3:41 PM

Shouldn't everyone's value?

Or did you just pay for your salary indefinitely with a one-off system?

IvenBach

@Vogel612 RE: Arrow code. I'd consider 2+ levels deep arrow code. Would it be better to invert the if statement in the style of a guard clause?

Vogel612

@IvenBach that's exactly what I was trying to get at.

mansellan

@Hosch250 sure, but it's nice to get it confirmed

Hosch250

:D

mansellan

@Hosch250 besides, I've worked with several people I consider to be net-negative - it would have been better value to pay them not to come in than to let them within 50 miles of a compiler...

Hosch250

3:46 PM

LOL.

this

@Vogel612 FWIW in VBA's case, there's less of an incentive due to two problems: 1) lack of a proper return statement and 2) too many ways to exit the procedure wrong.

Vogel612

@this Exit Sub ftw

this

or Exit Function, and that can be a bad thing to do.

Vogel612

because you're not required to set a return value before invoking Exit Function?

this

If there's a cleanup (analogous to finally), then you need GoTo ExitProcedure instead of Exit XXX

Vogel612

3:49 PM

that's got nothing to do with the extraction though...

and if you can't see that there is a "finally" in your procedure, you deserve to get screwed over by incorrectly exiting it

this

so that's already 3 or 4 ways to exit a procedure. Personally I prefer doing ErrEx.DoFinally if you have vbWatchDog

The point is that it's not refactoring-friendly.

Vogel612

so?

this

that means more work to be done to extract and create a proper guard clause

IvenBach

@mansellan I feel the heat coming through the monitor.

this

(or adding a cleanup if that comes later)

Vogel612

3:51 PM

that's not really prohibitive of using guard clauses though...

this

No, it's not. What I'm saying that it does create more opportunities to do the wrong thing

Vogel612

it just means you got to pay attention instead of being able to rely on your IDE to do that work for you

which is not surprising given the state of the VBE :/

this

Oh, no sweat. Let me add that one more detail to 1000 other things I'm juggling in my mind.

Yeah, I wonder does RD inspect for improper use of Exit XXX in a presence of an On Error GoTo XXX -- that would be almost certainly wrong.

Vogel612

no we don't but that's an excellent idea

Hey Iven, I think we found your new feature to work on :)

this

it's complicated, though - there are many way to write the error handling and it might not even have a cleanup section.

in which case, the Exit XXX is apropos.

Vogel612

3:53 PM

Rubberduck inspections are allowed to be opinionated

this

so it'd have to somehow detect that there is a cleanup section (probably by inferring from the presence of Resume XXX

Vogel612

cleanup section always has a jump label, does it not?

this

usually yes.

Vogel612

so if there's a jump label in your procedure and you call Exit, we can flag that up as an information

that's the minimum viable prototype

this

ah, but an error handler has a jump label, too.

That needs to be excluded.

and we probably don't want to flag an ordinary label used for GoTo in some moronic loop or something like that.

Vogel612

3:56 PM

oddly appropriate VBA question incoming

this

I think Resume XXX is a sufficiently good enough indicator there's a cleanup section and thus requires extra attention

IvenBach

@Vogel612 I didn't fully understand the implications my "qualified to work on RD" comment would have. :p

Is it better practice GoTo a cleanup and then Resume, rather than another GoTo, to semantically indicate continuation?

Quack Exchange

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Q: Worksheetfunction.Vlookup value on error

I have this function (wb is a public workbook variable): Function GetTiersAccount(TiersName As String, Clients As Boolean) As Long If Clients = True Then On Error GoTo ERRRRR GetTiersAccount = WorksheetFunction.VLookup(TiersName, wb.Sheets(1).Range("A1:B13"), 2, False) Exit Function...

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Vogel612

@IvenBach Resume allows you to handle stuff properly and allows you to define semantically appropriate continuations

Resume vs. Resume Next vs. Resume <labelOrLineNumber>

IvenBach

4:12 PM

:click: That's why test subs that are expecting an error use Resume instead of GoTo. They both jump but difference in intent.

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note that you should not GoTo out of your error handler. That's bad juju

BUT - if you are not in an error state (e.g. you just want to bail out early because of a guard clause, then you must use GoTo, not Resume.

that's what I hate the most about VBA - too many ways of doing things, depending on the context, which makes it very easy to do it wrong.

IvenBach

Understanding has been slow in coming. I see the light now, or is that just a yellow duck?

this

which is why again I prefer using vbWatchDog whenever I can and use ErrEx.DoFinally

unlike vanilla VBA, this works all the times, whether there's a clean up section or not

and regardless of whether it's a sub or a function

Vogel612

pop quiz: When would you folks expect Files.copy(source, target) to throw a NoSuchFileException?

IvenBach

When locating the source?

this

4:18 PM

^

Mathieu Guindon

^^

IvenBach

Whoa hive-mind affect.

this

please don't say target threw that....

that would be utterly ass-backward

Mathieu Guindon

kinda expecting it at this point though lol

this

yeah, else Vogel wouldn't have pop-quizzed us

Vogel612

4:19 PM

yea, target threw that..

this

of course.

Vogel612

of course if source is missing, it will also blow up.

this

so really Copy is more like Overwrite

Vogel612

but if the parent directory of target does not exist, it will not be created, instead it's just going to throw NoSuchFileException

which is somewhat misleading, because it actually is missing a directory

@this only if you pass CopyOption.OVERWRITE

this

ah, ok

Mathieu Guindon

4:22 PM

in other news..

this

I guess they got lazy with the implementation; "meh, NoSuchFileException is good nuff"

Mathieu Guindon

bring on the renewal committee

this

:+1:

IvenBach

Notoriety++

Vogel612

@this considering that I'm on Linux it's semantically correct

since directories are just special files

(which is also true for NTFS directories, but that's a different story)

this

4:24 PM

Sure, but it is useful to know that it's not erroring because the target file was malformed but rather that the directory to put target doesn't exist.

wrong level of abstraction, IOW

KySoto

is there a good way to see if a variable exists?

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Rubberduck has find symbol (ctrl + t)

KySoto

for example, i have a variable that i have to define that has the application's id number

but if i for whatever reason (or someone else forgets to define it) i wanted to find a way to have it work if that variable wasnt created

Vogel612

@KySoto you force people to use Option Explicit and whack them with a 2x4 if they don't compile their code?

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KySoto

i already do force everyone to use option explicit

Mathieu Guindon

4:28 PM

@KySoto "Variable 'foo' is not declared" would be all over your inspection results

KySoto

and @Vogel612 its the Clue by 4

thats true, but one of the people who may forget to define it is the engineer who doesn't have RD installed.

Vogel612

then they still should be compiling and using option explicit

Mathieu Guindon

and they should get RD, for their own good :)

Hosch250

@KySoto Force-install it.

KySoto

he still likes to use dlookup to pull multiple fields out of a record.

Vogel612

4:29 PM

if Ky's code compiles against a variable that needs to be added downstream they need to define that

Hosch250

@Vogel612 @MathieuGuindon That's an idea for the next logo of RD.

Option Explicit underlined with a 2x4.

KySoto

@Hosch250 lol, while i am in IT, i dont know if i could get awya with that

Hosch250

On boot -> check if RD is installed. If not, install it :)

KySoto

ahh yeah, i dont have access to group policy

well, technically i do, but

this

why? Per-user install is fine

Vogel612

4:31 PM

maybe you can mess a bit with the default image?

KySoto

its not really my area of responsibility

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We enabled per-user install specifically to enable the scenarios where workers wouldn't have the rights to install programs.

KySoto

oh, i meant that i cant force him to install it

Vogel612

you probably have images to set up a new machine from scratch, do you not?

Mathieu Guindon

KySoto

4:33 PM

My co-worker manages all of the images

Vogel612

Add Rubberduck in the latest stable version to that image :)

Hosch250

@MathieuGuindon Research & Development?

KySoto

@Vogel612 while that sounds like fun, i doubt my boss would find that an appropriate use of my time

Vogel612

@KySoto why does your image process make that take longer than half an hour?

Hosch250

This is weird.

KySoto

4:35 PM

I dont know, my co-worker is the one who handles it lol.

Hosch250

IE's HTML renderer is faster than my other browsers.

But the dev tools and JS are slower.

KySoto

my IT skills are rusting though

i can feel it

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@Hosch250 no. Regional Directors

Hosch250

Oh.

this

No clue what they do, though.

Mathieu Guindon

4:40 PM

@Hosch250 whatever it was, I had to snap a picture of it and put it here :)

(summit lunch signs aren't under NDA, right?)

this

nah

puzzlepiece87

@MathieuGuindon I'll miss you when you're shoved into a van

this

For whatever reasons, RDs come to MVP summits; not sure if they actually participate in any of sessions or if they have their own track and are simply piggybacking the MVP summit

puzzlepiece87

@this Or watch via hidden cameras

this

O_o if they can do that... why even bother coming in person?

Mathieu Guindon

4:44 PM

lol

this

I take that you haven't met a RD, @MathieuGuindon ?

I haven't.

must be like wumpus

Mathieu Guindon

Good question. ...I think I'm mixing up the position with CPM (?)

this

yeah, I think they are 2 different things

no, wait. the CPMs were there, weren't they?

RD could easily be an umbrella term for CPMs (and other staff in that area)

Mathieu Guindon

4:59 PM

I snapped that pic on Thursday IIRC

Duga

5:36 PM

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] retailcoder opened issue #4876: Identify Default Members in Code Explorer

> We currently identify classes with a predeclared ID in the code explorer, and that's awesome.

Let's do a similar thing for default members, i.e. append " (default)" to the node text of a class' default member.

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] retailcoder added label feature-code-explorer to issue #4876: Identify Default Members in Code Explorer

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] retailcoder added label difficulty-02-ducky to issue #4876: Identify Default Members in Code Explorer

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] retailcoder added label up-for-grabs to issue #4876: Identify Default Members in Code Explorer

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] retailcoder added label enhancement to issue #4876: Identify Default Members in Code Explorer

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] retailcoder added label user-interface to issue #4876: Identify Default Members in Code Explorer

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] SteveLaycock opened issue #4877: Feedback: Significant delays when refreshing Rubberduck and resizing windows.

> This is feeback for information purposes only. I'm not complaining or reporting a bug.

**Rubberduck version information**
Version 2.4.1.4627
OS: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.17763.0, x64
Host Product: Microsoft Office x64
Host Version: 16.0.11425.20184
Host Executable: WINWORD.EXE

**Description**
I'm not a professional programmer but am developing a suite of macros for managing document structure in Word. I'm currently upto 124 modules containing just short of 11,000 lines of VBA co

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] SteveLaycock added label bug to issue #4877: Feedback: Significant delays when refreshing Rubberduck and resizing windows.

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@Duga Honestly I think he's lucky to only have 30-35 seconds to refresh on his codebase.

The windowing issue seems to be problematic in more than one way.

KySoto

just found something thats kinda neat, im sure yall have seen it before though, pgacon.com/…

Duga

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] retailcoder added label performance to issue #4877: Feedback: Significant delays when refreshing Rubberduck and resizing windows.

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] retailcoder added label discussion to issue #4877: Feedback: Significant delays when refreshing Rubberduck and resizing windows.

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] retailcoder removed label bug from issue #4877: Feedback: Significant delays when refreshing Rubberduck and resizing windows.

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] retailcoder added label user-interface to issue #4877: Feedback: Significant delays when refreshing Rubberduck and resizing windows.

Mathieu Guindon

I am a Rubberduck user myself ^^ And the magic comments are something I didn't know about, at least not the ones you mention here. But they seem super useful as having to export, edit, and import again is a real hassle. Would be great if you could document all of your magic comments somewhere, but that should probably be an issue in your github project ^^ — Jonas Glesaaen 7 mins ago

Duga

5:53 PM

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] bclothier created comment on issue #4876: Identify Default Members in Code Explorer

> FWIW, this feature would be also easy to implement for other stuff like enumerator. In VB6, there are additional special members that would be easy to trivial. I would probably want a generic approach so that any member can be then surfaced simply by implementing an interface? adding an entry in resource file? something.

Mathieu Guindon

@Duga yes!

this

uhh... "easy to trivial".... WTH am I writing?

Duga

[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] bclothier edited comment on issue #4876: Identify Default Members in Code Explorer

> FWIW, this feature would be also easy to implement for other stuff like enumerator. In VB6, there are additional special members that would be easy to implement as well. I would probably want a generic approach so that any member can be then surfaced simply by implementing an interface? adding an entry in resource file? something.

this

I really need to proofread more... :(

Vogel612

@Duga "not a professional programmer, 124 modules 11kLoC and not scared of moving stuff to C#". One of these is not like the others

Mathieu Guindon

6:01 PM

lol

this

Imposter syndrome at its finest?

OTOH, it might just mean lot of code done wrong.

beginner code has a tendency to contain a fair number of copypasta

Vogel612

that last part just makes me think that's not the case here

this

Oh, yeah

However (and unfortunately), you still can write crappy code in any language.

Vogel612

~meaningful sigh

you're preaching to the choir here :)

this

am I? Lemme try thumping the bible...

Hosch250

6:14 PM

:sings:

this

just wondering if it's a just-me problem or not - anyone noticing a significant delay (and freezing) when trying to navigate to a module as soon as you open VBE?

Mathieu Guindon

Had that the other day, but in VS...

Vogel612

btw @this will you open an issue about the error handler stuff we discussed earlier?

Mathieu Guindon

@neiltyson The only thing flat-earthers fear is sphere itself.

Tweeted by CarlhC4 on March 28, 2019 at 3:57 PM in reply to neiltyson

this

on it

seems there's already #3194

IvenBach

6:26 PM

@MathieuGuindon :+1:

this

i think i'll just add to 3194 instead of creating new one

Vogel612

@MathieuGuindon Welp, I guess CodeReview would've graduated a few weeks sooner with that one :D

Mathieu Guindon

LOL

IvenBach

Didn't know about Demon Haunted World till that tweet. Definitely purchasing to read.

this

I should start a Earth-is-a-cube society. See how it goes.

Hosch250

6:34 PM

@this If you want to practice troll/debate skills, sure.

I wonder if I could prove that any politicians used to be part of that club. That would be #fun.

this

I am not so interested in arguing with people but more whether I'd actually get a following just because I said so.

Vogel612

@Hosch250 start with the climate change deniers, I'd assume there's quite some overlap

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Probably hard to do since lot of people follow ironically

See: flying spaghetti monster

Hosch250

@Vogel612 As far as I'm concerned, I try to stay out of that.

Personally, I don't think we understand climate well enough to even try to mess with it one way or another.

After even the director of NOAA even resigned over having falsified climate data, I'm not planning on getting into it.

this

Reminds me of this:

I believe the truth always lies halfway between the most extreme claims.

M.Doerner

6:41 PM

@Vogel612 I am also not a professional programmer.

Hosch250

@this LOL, nice.

TFW a murderer gets 2 days in jail.

this

wait, what?

he walks after that?

Vogel612

@Hosch250 your "justice" system is a frigging mess

Hosch250

Yeah, someone pushed someone else off a bridge.

Somehow they got off with reckless actions and unintentional manslaughter, or something.

@this And it's a woman.

this

but normally manslaugther sentences are longer, no?

Hosch250

6:44 PM

No idea.

It's heavily up to the judge.

this

(and why is it a manslaughter? Does that imply that women cannot be slaughtered?)

Hosch250

Like, that rapist in California who got off with a few days too, after openly bragging about it. Fortunately, that judge was recalled.

@this I think it dates back to the term 'man' meaning 'human'.

this

that's deserved (Judge's recalling)

I know. I was being funny.

Mathieu Guindon

@Vogel612 that

Hosch250

@MathieuGuindon LOL, you guys have basically the same one.

TBH, I think terms for recklessness resulting in manslaughter should get even longer terms than a plain old homicide.

At least with a "real" murderer, you know they are out to get you.

Mathieu Guindon

6:47 PM

well we have this thing about minimal sentences, across the entire country, for one

M.Doerner

Actually, in Germany it would depend on a few factors whether it would be murder. But manslaughter would cause a longer sentence anyway.

Mathieu Guindon

criminal law is federal, not per-province

heck, or per-judge

mansellan

@Hosch250 so much true

Hosch250

Technically, they judge couldn't do that much about it. If they only found her guilty of acting recklessly resulting in the unintentional death of someone else, they don't get very much.

She'll probably have community service on top of it.

Mathieu Guindon

$20 she's white

mansellan

6:52 PM

@Hosch250 the correct term now is 'huperson'