The CGCC Comprehensive Chat Clone Cookoff

The_AH

15:20

SvelteChat will be way less buggy.

Ginger

mmm

The_AH

Is that approval or satisfication?

Ginger

and will it support bots, or bookmarks, or the reputation mechanism, or private rooms, or moderation facilities, or the starboard, or message history, or image uploading?

The_AH

@Ginger All of those.

It will take a lot of developing though.

Which I can do.

It will have reputation like StackExchange.

Ginger

well, ping me once you have a completed version

The_AH

15:23

@Ginger Yay.

Probably in like a week.

Ginger

you intend to reimplement chat... in a week?

The_AH

Yeah.

Should be easy.

Ginger

I don't know how to respond to that

The_AH

I have enough experience to do it.

Ginger

chat (this chat) took a team of people years to make

Rydwolf Programs

15:24

I betcha I could make just as good of a chat system in two weeks

Ginger

and you're saying you'll make a version that is better in every way and has complete feature parity, by yourself, in a week?

The_AH

Yes. I have years of experience.

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms okay, I'll take that bet

Rydwolf Programs

Too busy to actually take you up on the offer unfortunately :p

Unless we're betting something good

Ginger

both of you have two weeks to make a clone of chat with as much feature parity as possible

The_AH

15:25

@Ginger Well they didn't have all the features in mind at the start.

@Ginger Challenge accepted.

Ginger

the winner will get... something good?

Rydwolf Programs

I'm too busy this week lol

Ginger

I'm not sure what I can offer tbh

The_AH

I. am. never. busy.

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms I didn't say that the two weeks started right now

Rydwolf Programs

15:26

Okay good lol

How about winter break?

The_AH

Working on it as we speak.

Ginger

you can start whenever, but once you do you have two weeks to do it

Rydwolf Programs

Ahh ic

Ginger

once you're done, upload the entire thing to GitHub and provide me with the link

Rydwolf Programs

I'll give The_AH an extra week even, since they go first

Well actually let's say 2 days

The_AH

15:26

@RydwolfPrograms I don't need it but thanks.

Rydwolf Programs

So 16 days

Ginger

sure, 16 days

The_AH's time starts at the sending of this message

Rydwolf Programs

Oh and let's say we need to use git just so that we can ensure that everything's indeed done in the time period

Ginger

yup

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger Let's do first commit

The_AH

15:27

Haha I have been working on this before that so I have a head start.

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms nah, then you could make the whole thing and commit it later

anyway, them's the rules

once Rydwolf's done with his, I will select a winner and negotiate a prize

The_AH

What will be the prize?

Ginger

I don't know yet

The_AH

Okay.

Ginger

I don't have much to give as a prize, so I'm just going to not think about it for now

The_AH

15:29

What is wrong with Vite today.

Ginger

one more thing: I'm going to get some friends of mine to judge the results too, to avoid bias

The_AH

@Ginger Oh okay.

Ginger

anyway that's it, good luck

The_AH

How in the world does this fail:

import fs;

let database = fs.readFileSync('~/sveltechat/database.json', 'utf-8');
let data = JSON.parse(data);

export function load() {
	return {
		posts: data.posts
	};
}

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger ~~well I could use an NVIDIA graphics card for ML stuff~~ :p

Ginger

15:30

actually I should probably define scoring

Rydwolf Programs

Mine'll have E2E encryption, as an extra challenge to myself

The_AH

Maybe it's because of the UTF-8.

Rydwolf Programs

Nah JS doesn't care about invalid UTF-8

The_AH

Hmm...

Rydwolf Programs

If it's failing your JSON's invalid

Ginger

15:31

I will score your clone based on 1. how good it looks, 2. how many of chat's features it includes, 3. how robust it is (as tested by Lyxal), and 4. how many extra shiny bits you can add

The_AH

Wait the filepath is incorrect.

Rydwolf Programs

Oh yeah you shouldn't be using ~ in prod code

I don't think outside a shell that substitution happens anyway

The_AH

@Ginger 1. Not sure about this one. 2. All. 3. I'll try to make it pretty robust. 4. A lot.

Rydwolf Programs

I like how lyxal's just canonically our stress-tester

Ginger

any commits made after the end of the 16 days (for AH) or two weeks (for Rydwolf) will not be included in the version I judge

Rydwolf Programs

15:32

Lyxal's a zoglin

The_AH

Okay.

Ginger

yup

The_AH

Rydwolf, how much experience do you have working with JS and Svelte?

Ginger

if you require clarification ping me and I'll do my best to answer

The_AH

@Ginger We can only use Svelte right?

Ginger

15:34

that's actually it, glhf

@The_AH nope, you can use whatever you want

doesn't even have to be a webpage

The_AH

@Ginger Oh okay.

I am making good progress.

Ginger

I'll be real interested to see how this turns out

The_AH

This all spinned out from my SvelteChat!

Ginger

incidentally, the magnitude of the prize will be roughly proportional to how good your clone is

The_AH

So I think I should have some right to judge Rydwolf's version.

Ginger

15:35

nope! only I and people I select will judge

The_AH

Okay fine.

Huh, why isn't fs defined?

I don't think you need to import that.

Hmm...

Rydwolf Programs

Did you const fs = require("fs"); or import fs?

@The_AH You do

Ginger

I'm going to create a room for discussion of this challenge so we don't clog TST, hold on

The_AH

@RydwolfPrograms Oh.

I did import fs.

@Ginger Thanks.

I shouldn't be asking for help because I am probably going to figure out the solution in like 10 minutes, I am actually going to close this tab now.

Rydwolf Programs

Also, reminder that fs.promises is stable now, in case you want to use that

Ginger

15:39

and so it begins

The_AH

I figured out the solution.

To the problem.

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms would you mind moving the discussion over?

I'm going to write up the rules somewhere so we have an official reference

Rydwolf Programs

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Ginger

16:00

room topic changed to The CGCC Comprehensive Chat Clone Cookoff: Two weeks, two contenders, one victor. Rules: gist.github.com/GingerIndustries/… (no tags)

there we go

The_AH

Okay.

I am going to do pretty well.

Posting is implemented!

Ginger

your confidence is pretty impressive, I'll grant you that

but whether or not it's well-founded remains to be seen

The_AH

"Saving every message to a single massive JSON file isn't very scalable, now is it?". Wait what!

Well I am going to use JSON because it's easy to use.

Maybe later I will revamp it.

Ginger

make sure you're committing everything to Git! I'd hate to have to disqualify you for failing to track your code

The_AH

@Ginger Well...

I don't use Git for any of my projects.

Ginger

16:02

too bad! you have to use it for this one

no tickee, no laundry

The_AH

But I started working on SvelteChat before you announced the competition so...

> Any Git commits made before the start of the time or including code written before the start will definitely result in a rebuke and may result in a disqualification.

Ginger

how much work did you do before you started?

The_AH

Setting up the Svelte project and creating the UI.

Ginger

how many lines of code? (roughly)

The_AH

probably 100 or 200.

Ginger

16:03

most or all of which was boilerplate?

The_AH

Most of it.

Ginger

could the code you wrote before the start actually do anything?

The_AH

Yes, it could display messages.

Though not post messages.

Ginger

hmm

and you swear that this is true and you're not making anything up?

The_AH

Why would I?

Ginger

16:04

if so, speak now and I'll give you a pass

alright

The_AH

Please allow me to not use Git.

Please change the rules.

Ginger

I'll allow it, but I am being exceedingly generous seeing as I also gave you two extra days

no, you must use Git

don't push me

The_AH

I didn't need those.

I can do this in a week.

Okay how do I use Git then?

Ginger

use Git or don't compete

@The_AH have you ever used it before?

or any VCS?

The_AH

Yes.

But it went poorly to say.

Ginger

16:06

well, you should've thought of that before you agreed to this!

The_AH

It's pretty easy to use Git.

I know most of the commands.

Ginger

then what's the issue?

The_AH

Well there is no issue now I think about it.

Ginger

if it's easy then everything should be fine

good to hear! I'll be excited to see your result

The_AH

Wait how will you proof that we used Git?

Ginger

16:07

you'll upload the Git repository to GitHub

for a master coder of your caliber that should be easy

The_AH

Yeah.

I just don't like doing the funky token stuff.

Ginger

use gh then

The_AH

Will look into that.

Ginger

sounds good! and remember: the clock is ticking

now, go forth and make something good

The_AH

Oh wow.

That will be just 3 days before my birthday!

Ginger

16:10

ain't that nice

The_AH

Yeah.

I am doing CSS styling right now.

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms I trust you understand the rules?

Rydwolf Programs

Whoa (66)?

Ginger

The_AH is a chatty individual *rimshot*

Rydwolf Programs

Yup I understand them

I'll knock this out prolly around December

The_AH

16:11

My mom said that I talk a lot.

Ginger

excellent! ping me once you decide to get started or if you have any questions

The_AH

By the way I won't be using stylesheets but will use the style attribute.

Ginger

mmm

have fun

I'm going to go work on some projects of my own, ping me if you need me

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The_AH

Can I use a private GitHub repo and then make it public when the challenge finishes?

This way I also don't need to use the CLI so that's one bonus.

Ginger

yes, you can do that

The_AH

16:14

YAY.

Ginger

not sure how that exempts you from the CLI, unless you're using an IDE with Git support or smth

The_AH

Oh wait that won't...

Still fine.

It is fine if I post screenshots from time to time?

Ginger

that's up to you

The_AH

Will probably do for feedback.

Ginger

oh, one other thing I should probably add to the rules: you must write all code yourself

(excluding dependencies ofc)

The_AH

16:22

Of course.

I never copy code.

If I found a solution on Stack Overflow I usually write the code myself based on the code there.

Ginger

rules updated

The_AH

So to my understanding.

I should run gh repo create sveltechat --private --source=. --remote=upstream

Inside the SvelteChat directory?

Ginger

¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

The_AH

That command will use the current directory to create a remote private repo.

Wait it has initalized the repo but empty.

How do I add my source to the repo?

Ginger

¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

The_AH

16:32

Huh...

jfami@Macs-MacBook-Pro SvelteChat % git push -u origin main
error: src refspec main does not match any
error: failed to push some refs to 'https://github.com/GenericProgrammer1234/SvelteChat.git'
jfami@Macs-MacBook-Pro SvelteChat %

Someone please help.

This is why I don't use Git.

Ginger

I thought it was easy to use Git?

The_AH

Yeah but it's not easy to push changes remotely.

I have always had trouble with that.

Ginger

sounds like using Git to me, but whatever

The_AH

Can I just not use Git?

Ginger

no

The_AH

16:35

Okay I'll figure out a solution.

Ginger

also, allow me to make something clear: I will not be providing you help with this, and if Rydwolf is smart he won't either

The_AH

If only I didn't have to use Git...

Wait I don't need to do it remotely yet!

Yes!

Ginger

(although he does have a bit more of a conscience than I do, so maybe he will? who knows)

The_AH

Okay I'll deal with remote later.

I can use Git to commit right now.

Locally.

@Ginger What would happen if I made some disaster command that corrupted or destroyed my Git repo?

Ginger

¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

not my problem

The_AH

16:37

It's not fair then.

You should include something about this in the rules.

Ginger

"not fair"?

The_AH

Okay whatever.

Ginger

every aspect of this is well within the grasp of an experienced programmer, which you have repeatedly purported to be

you and Rydwolf are operating under identical rules

The_AH

I am an experienced programmer, I am not an experienced Git user.

Ginger

you even have a two-day head start!

The_AH

16:38

@Ginger Which I didn't need.

Ginger

well, I can certainly revoke it if you want

but don't tell me this "isn't fair"

The_AH

Well if someone gave you a gift which you didn't ask for then why would you tell them to revoke it?

Ginger

you tell me

The_AH

I can do this in like a week.

Ginger

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, my friend

The_AH

16:40

Well evidence will come, just wait.

Ginger

if you really can do it that fast, your Git commit logs will bear it out

and if either of you two finish early, you can ping me and I'll stop the clock

The_AH

@Ginger What does that mean?

Like bear it out.

Ginger

why, provide the extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim of course!

The_AH

Oh yeah, the extraordinary claim that will become true.

Because I am using Svelte, it updates in real time as posts go.

One less thing to worry about!

Because I am using Svelte, it updates in real time as posts go.

Ginger

and please, for both of our sakes, do not forget to commit your code to Git

The_AH

16:44

One less thing to worry about!

Well that was weird.

@Ginger Yes I know.

I will probably commit once a day.

Ginger

effectively the only way to disqualify yourself is forgetting to commit, and I absolutely do not want to have to disqualify you

okay, just wanted to make sure

what, was my phrasing unclear?

The_AH

Why?

Ginger

I don't understand the question

The_AH

Why do you absolutely don't want to have to disqualify me.

It isn't like this is a moral question because if I don't commit then it is absolutely fair.

Ginger

it takes all of the fun out, and wastes your hard work

I'd hate for all of it to go down the drain because you forgot something basic

but why do you care? if you do everything right it won't ever matter

The_AH

16:52

Okay.

Ginger

I think I'll be going now

good luck!

The_AH

I am going to make the user be "Anonymous" if they aren't logged in.

@Ginger

Ginger

what do you want

The_AH

What do you think about SvelteChat so far based on the screenshot?

Ginger

that's not for me to say just yet

but you'll find out in 15d 22h 21m 52s and counting

The_AH

17:05

By the way I am going to encode the posts.

Ginger

allow me to rephrase that: I do not care about your design until the 16 days is up

you can upload it here, but all you'll get from me is a "ok whatever"

The_AH

Okay.

Ginger

and pinging me with anything that is not related to questions about the rules is going to do nothing except annoy me and waste both of our time

The_AH

Okay.

Sorry.

Going to stop chatting now.

To work on it more.

Ginger

no worries

The_AH

19:30

I am going to now allow logged in users to make things easy on myself.

Well did a lot today.

Next day my goal is to add proper user authorization.

And editing and purging and stuff.

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