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Q: The Adventurous Journey

XenocaciaI had quite a bit of fun thinking this one up. Again, only the words in block-quotes are relevant to the puzzle. A sequence spirals down and out, following the clock Starting with the first mail item a password you'll unlock Moving like a knight (not right) you'll want to first ext...

 
 
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5:29 AM
@dcfyj The puzzle is up:
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Q: A Thing Of Beauty Is A Joy Forever!

AnkoganitI...I've just seen something. Something wonderful. Something beautiful. I don't know what it is...I don't have the least idea, to be honest. But, its innate beauty is unmistakable. $\qquad\qquad\quad$ But I don't remember what it was like...I have such a bad memory! And it's troubling me a lot...

 
Wow, marriage proposals in chat. Haha. :) Wonder what else I have missed. :)
 
6:21 AM
@Ankoganit nice puzzle! Shame that all the answers must be 5 letters, makes it easier..
 
6:46 AM
@BeastlyGerbil Thanks. And yeah, that was a bit annoying. What's more, the answer must not any letter twice.
And Btw the puzzle has more to it than 5-letter-answer riddles...you'll see as you progress. :)
 
Sid
@Ankoganit Pretty good puzzle. I was thinking the answer to the first riddle would be water..
 
7:32 AM
Well I'm stuck, won't be available for a couple of hours in ten minutes anyway
 
 
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8:58 AM
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Q: Quoting a four-letter word

humnWhat word is quoted in the middle of this 7- word line of 4-letter words?     _ _ _ _   _ _ _ _   _ _ _ _   ‘ ‘_ _ _ _’ ’   _ _ _ _ ...

 
Question: should I or should I not advise proper formatting for the answers to my puzzle?
What's your experience?
 
9:18 AM
Hi @ArbitraryKangaroo
 
@Alenanno I think you should advise, but not force it. That is, the correctness should not depend upon the formatting. If the formatting is really bad and the poster refuses to fix it, you can always propose an edit. That said, I think poorly formatted answers would be downvoted anyway.
 
@Ankoganit Yeah. I'm not enforcing formatting, but I'll be asking for a couple of things in the answers (how to show certain information) which I think would improve the appearance. You could give me your opinion after I posted it (it's almost ready).
 
@Alenanno Okay, I guess it should be fine. And good luck on your new puzzle! :)
 
@Ankoganit Thanks. :D
 
9:54 AM
Hey @Alconja
 
Hi
 
user189275
@Alenanno: What's the point of randomly "Hi"-ing ? If you have any queries, then tell, but not for casual talks.
 
@ArbitraryKangaroo Good manners? That's usually the reason for saying hi.
Also, there are no rules for chat use except abusive behavior and spam, therefore you're wrong.
 
user189275
@Alenanno: I am not saying this is something related to manners, I am just saying its pointless
 
10:13 AM
@ArbitraryKangaroo Dude, if something bothers you, just ignore it and move on.
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user189275
@Alenanno: Excellent advice. I should pay heed to it.
 
@ArbitraryKangaroo Glad we came to an understanding lol
 
10:25 AM
@ArbitraryKangaroo Did you decide to stay?
 
user189275
(As you're a mod, you can see that)
 
Yes.
 
user189275
10:51 AM
Beauty, everywhere. An ultramicroscope to inside flower, finding unmentionable loving enigma - not impossible. Go, magically, in an awesomeness, where an inexplicable truth submerged. Uncover, (not dumbly) enjoy, rejoice. Come over, valiantly emphasize real enchanting doohickeys. Together, we experience en-thrillingly, notnonsensically yet delicately, eminent mysteries.
 
user189275
[Well, a very trivial puzzle, with single encoding process but three layers deep, so if you get the most obvious encoding, and do it three times, you would get the answer]
 
11:55 AM
@Ankoganit My question is basically ready but I keep thinking "what if you're missing a huge mistake" :D
 
user189275
12:10 PM
@Alenanno: Now, will you post the question ?
 
Posted.
 
12:22 PM
Why not put the definitions in a list rather than a block?
I see four dice that fit for the first definition :(
 
12:34 PM
Why remove that one?
in?
 
Is there a data.SE for chats? I'd be interested how many percent of comments Arbitrary Kangaroo has removed :P
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Lol, no kidding
 
user189275
Anybody solved this ? I thought it would be solved within 2~5 minutes.
 
12:50 PM
first letters yield BEAUTIFFULENIGMIAAWAITSUNDERCOVEREDTWEENNYEM which ignoring things that look like mistakes (but might not be) has initial letters BEAUT[something] where maybe the [something] is a Y but that feels like two layers rather than three to me
so I guess there's some other thing I'm missing
it reminds me of a thing in one of Hofstadter's books whose essentials you can find here: github.com/darius/sketchbook/blob/master/spew/menu.text
 
@ArbitraryKangaroo Hm, let's see: beautifful enigm i a awaits under covered tweeny dem. I see some words there, but the message is a bit corrupt, so I'm not sure how to go on from there.
 
user189275
@GarethMcCaughan: Heck, I made three mistakes, but it doesn't makes anything too bad.
 
user189275
@RosieF: Another layer.
 
user189275
It should be BEAUTIFULENIGMAAWAITSUNDERCOVEREDTWEENNYL(not D, my fault)EM, but another layer.
 
user189275
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1:00 PM
@dcfyj Because it fits how crossword clues are usually given. I like the style. :D
 
I don't know what crossword you've looked at but all the ones I've seen have numbered lists :P
 
@dcfyj It can be either a list or a block, and numbered or unnumbered (depending on the crossword puzzle). :D
 
user189275
Okay, answering my own "puzzle": Taking the first letters, and after correcting my nonsense, it becomes Beautiful enigma awaits undercovered 'tween ylem (Yes, ylem is a word)
 
user189275
And doing it for the second time, produces Beauty, which is the final answer.
 
@dcfyj Your comment was funny though.
 
1:10 PM
My wife has Celiac, so I notice that kind of stuff :P
 
@dcfyj Oh sorry about that.
 
Not like it's your fault.
 
@dcfyj Sure, but it still sucks! I knew someone like that. Luckily more alternative options are coming out (or so it seems).
 
Yeah, it's not too hard to find stuff that's safe to eat, even in restaurants.
 
user189275
1:28 PM
Hehe. A murder has happened, and you find a note with who murdered, that too in the crime scence (the murderer didn't know how to read ?), that too coded in a very time consuming way shift n.
 
user189275
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Q: Cipher: Find the murderer

Garrison PendergrassBob was killed by someone. This is what you found at the crime scene: the person who ended bob's life is Iapes Ehzn also, the person is Ictlb Puod Jolin Hera Rivka Mond Hyman Yarn   Chari Davi   Ellis Chan  

 
@ArbitraryKangaroo I wonder if OP didn't know about the vigenere cipher and why s/he didn't just let a computer do the work. This way the mistake (assuming it is one) could've been prevented. :P
 
user189275
1:44 PM
@LukasRotter: My point was that the plot is hilarious. You're getting murdered - so is it sane thing to encode your murderers name, that too in a extremely time consuming cipher ?
 
I'm pretty sure all our plots are rediculous
but that's part of the fun
 
user189275
@Sconibulus: But it's almost a joke. Most of the murder+cipher puzzles have ridiculous context,
 
@ArbitraryKangaroo I wasn't responding to your comment about the plot, but to the comment where you posted the question. I get that's it's confusing if @name is in the comment, I'll leave that from now on. :P
 
@GarethMcCaughan Are you working on it? :D
 
user189275
@BeastlyGerbil: Can you add a hint, which isn't worked upon earlier ? Both neighbours and overlapping idea is worked yesterday.
 
1:55 PM
@Alenanno yeah, but I'm still missing the dance, the food with oxidized fatty acids (seems like that would cover anything fried, which is pretty broad), the temper-losing (I guess IRASCE must have that meaning but no one ever uses it), and the leafy vegetables, and even a rather small number of gaps is a big obstacle to figuring out what goes where. Perhaps the extra definition might begin PRI NCE but what comes after doesn't look too promising.
 
@GarethMcCaughan Yeah, but don't get discouraged. It's perfectly solvable, but I tried to make it so that it would require some time.
 
I'm not discouraged. Just some way short of solving it. (And, y'know, I'm supposed to be working...)
 
@GarethMcCaughan I didn't mean you were, more like, keep at it. :D ahah and I'm sure your boss will understand.
 
@GarethMcCaughan That's why I'm not working on it :P
 
@dcfyj cc @GarethMcCaughan Are you guys based in Europe as well then?
 
2:02 PM
No, I'm in the US
 
@dcfyj Is it like 10 am there?
 
I'm in the UK.
 
@Alenanno Yup.
 
It's 3pm here so ~7am to 10am in the US and up to a few hours later in continental Europe.
er, I mean later than in the UK, not later than in the US, obv
 
It's 16:03 here (4 pm).
 
2:04 PM
Yeah, I just had my first coffee
 
I can read 24hr time you didn't have to put that lol
 
user189275
@Alenanno: Ilolt:Dlols elo:Dliglolhlolt plola:Dslolt t:Dlolhirty Pl:DolMlol hlo:Dlerlo:D:Dl:De.
 
@ArbitraryKangaroo I think I hate you and everything you stand for
 
Translation: Its eight past thirty PM here.
 
@dcfyj Oh well, when I was younger I thought everybody used "military time"... Imagine my surprise when I started meeting people from the US :P
 
2:06 PM
I'm originally from Canada :P
 
@Sconibulus Ah yeah, Arbitrary Kangaroo dislikes that: I use lol, I use emoticons, and I say Hi to people. I still do all those things though.
 
Either way though, quite a few people in the US know 24hr time
 
user189275
@Sconibulus What ?
 
@dcfyj Yes sure, but it's not commonly used. Here we do say "it was 3 in the morning" when speaking, but otherwise we write 3:00 or 15:00.
 
If you say 10, we might ask which 10. If you say 2200, we know what you're talking about
 
user189275
2:09 PM
@Alenanno Oh, I was stupid, I just remember your excellent advice:
 
user189275
4 hours ago, by Alenanno
@ArbitraryKangaroo Dude, if something bothers you, just ignore it and move on.
 
user189275
But it's now too late to delete.
 
incidentally, I think I figured out the Czech dance at last. Still far too many possibilities to figure out what order to put things in :-).
 
You shouldn't half as much as you do anyhow, makes conversations rather difficult
 
@GarethMcCaughan Oooh, want to share? :)
 
2:09 PM
@dcfyj oh I so much agree
@Sconibulus I think it's probably REDOWA
 
Oh, that looks good, I'd never heard of it before though
 
So five dice?
 
nor me
yeah, five dice, like everything else with EAD in it :-(
 
@GarethMcCaughan How many definitions have you solved?
 
I have plausible answers to all but three now (but a plausible answer is not necessarily the same thing as a correct answer)
 
2:11 PM
that'd be the last one in that set of 5 though, if my answers are right
oh, really? Well done
 
Ahah, sorry, I tried to make as many ambiguous dice as possible so there are a lot of repeating letters. :D But don't worry too much about it, just answer the definitions.
@GarethMcCaughan You should post an answer anyway
 
and yeah, there do appear to be five EAD answers to go with five EAD dice -- but some of them could match other dice instead, and for all I know some of the answers I don't have yet could have EAD in them.
 
Hmm... Lose one's temper: ERUPTS? Or a step too far?
 
ERUPT would do but ERUPTS is wrongly inflected.
 
that's kinda what I thought
 
2:13 PM
Still, it's better than e.g. ENRAGE which is the wrong way around
 
also doesn't fit any dice
 
yeah, that would be a problem
 
ERUPTS would pair with PRIEST for 1,15 I think
 
I hope it isn't ERUPTS, just like I hope that other one isn't GRATED, but I bet GRATED is right and maybe ERUPTS is too
 
@GarethMcCaughan Why do you hope that?
 
2:15 PM
because both of them don't quite fit the definition. The answer to the GRATED one ought to be the food, not an adjective describing it. The answer to the ERUPTS one ought to mean something that means "lose one's temper" rather than "loses one's temper".
If they said just "reduced to shreds through rubbing" and "loses one's temper" then both would be fine.
 
that's why I think it might be "grates" for the verb being done
 
but GRATES is no better than GRATED -- it still doesn't quite fit the definition.
 
yeah, both aren't perfect
 
I think it's CHEESE personally
 
(GRATED would also work if the first two words in the clue were swapped. Or GRATES if that were done and then "reduced" replaced with "reduces".)
@dcfyj ho ho ho
 
2:17 PM
Since it's a "Food reduced to shreds through rubbing."
 
(mmmm, cheese)
 
cheese wouldn't fit the dice
 
CHEESE doesn't fit any of the dice
 
true
 
(I thought of both that and various barbeque foods)
 
2:18 PM
But in the same train of thought, the answer for that one is probably a food rather than a word
 
I might have missed some though, most weren't the right length
 
@Sconibulus if you're thinking pulled pork etc., they're usually shredded by means other than rubbing, no?
 
What other foods are grated
 
nutmeg
ginger
chocolate
 
@GarethMcCaughan I think usually, but not always? Sometimes with a slow cook I think you just apply dry rub every X hours until it falls apart?
 
2:19 PM
that's not 6 though :P
@Sconibulus Pulled pork is just that, pulled.
 
yeah, but I think Brisket and stuff sometimes isn't
 
@Alenanno Calling the 24-hour clock "military time" -- I find that strange. Here, the 24-hour clock is the norm in public transport timetables.
 
@GarethMcCaughan How would "Food reduced to shreds through rubbing" be different than "reduced to shreds through rubbing"? Not sure I follow you there.
 
When you shred meat you don't rub it usually. You pull it apart. Rubbing isn't very effective for meat.
 
@RosieF It's referred as such in the US, as far as I know.
 
2:21 PM
Yes, a lot of people refer to it as "Military Time" in the US be the military uses it but not most of the public.
I call it what it is, 24 hr time :P
 
@Alenanno Imagine replacing the word with the definition or vice versa. "A bowl of cheese that has been grated" / "A bowl of cheese that has been reduced to shreds by rubbing" is OK but "A bowl of cheese that has been food reduced to shreds by rubbing" is not.
"In this box I have food reduced to shreds by rubbing" -> "In this box I have grated" doesn't work.
 
vegetables can be grated too...
 
@GarethMcCaughan Uhm...
 
This isn't a perfect test, of course
but it gives a reasonable idea
 
So, CARROT is an option
POTATO
GARLIC
 
2:23 PM
grated potato?
 
Lots of options in that avenue
You can use a grater on a potato
 
@dcyfj one thing I don't like answers about CHEESE, CARROT, POTATO, etc. is that they are all names of foods that CAN BE reduced to shreds by rubbing, not of foods that HAVE BEEN so reduced
 
true
 
and the clue (as it stands) seems like it wants a grated food not a grateable food
 
Is there such a food?
 
2:24 PM
unless, of course, it actually wants GRATED or GRATES or something, which is the current best guess available
 
A special name for post-grated veggies?
 
there are certainly such foods but they are generally called "grated X".
I suppose there's e.g. roesti
(which should really have o-umlaut instead of oe)
but that's food that has been reduced to shreds by rubbing, and then mixed with a bunch of other things, and then fried
 
@GarethMcCaughan or "Shredded X"
 
(so it is also a food containing oxidized fatty acids, as it happens)
 
@dcfyj That's 8 letters. :P
 
2:26 PM
I know that, see what I was replying to :P
 
I wonder if "Lose one's temper" is maybe just a synonym of "be angry?"
so something like "seethe" could work?
even though it's sorta explicitly keeping the temper in check (barely)
 
@Sconibulus I think that one is going to be one of the hardest ones. :D
 
could be, I suppose
the one I feel most hopeless about is the oxidized fatty acids one
because it seems like it could be anything fried
 
yeah, I agree
 
Unless one of the remaining clues matches die 13 and has an awful lot of vowels, that seems like it's going to be a bit of a consonant-cluster in the extra definition, probably TLD. That's a really awkward combination of letters, whether it comes in the middle of a word or straddles two words.
Especially as all the options I currently have for die 12 leave fairly consonant-heavy residuals too.
ah, WORLD
 
2:32 PM
For which one?
 
world is only 5
 
I think die 12's residual will be WOR and die 13's LD/T
 
he's putting together a sentence
 
ah
 
die 14's residual is going to be consonant-heavy too, but it might be ...EST or something
though WORLD TEST doesn't seem super-promising
 
2:33 PM
@GarethMcCaughan Why WORLD?
It's only 5 letters
 
ok, let me lay out my reasoning, such as it is
 
I can't make that work as a word
WORDEA?
 
1. at the moment the only matches I have for die 13 are TOOLED and LOOTED
2. leading to the residual TLD for die 13
3. I can't see that cluster occurring within a single word
4. so probably it straddles two words
5. the only plausible ways I can see that happening are to have a word ending with LD or LT and then its successor starting with T or D respectively
 
(If the result isn't anagramed)
 
6. now for die 12 the residuals I currently have available are: NSH GRT ROW SET BRS TCH RNT
7. and most of those don't sit well in front of LD or LT at the end of a word
8. but one possibility that jumped out at me is that maybe it's ROW (that's coming from REDOWA, which of course might be wrong; who knows what other obscure Czech dances there might be?) making .../WOR/LDT/...
 
2:36 PM
oh, REDOWA, that word I didn't know
that one works
 
9. in which case we would have the word WORLD followed by something beginning with T
 
Ah I see now why you mentioned world.
 
10. but there are still clues I haven't solved and maybe some of them give other options for 13 or for 12/14
11. and maybe there are other things to put in front of LD or LT from the die-12 residuals I've got (though they don't look promising)
12. and maybe I've made some other kind of mistake
so it's all very doubtful. But that's what made me wonder about the word WORLD.
 
RET could be the end of BETTER, from ARDENT preceding WORLD?
 
Certainly possible.
The final extra definition is going to be a lot longer than most of the ones we've been given explicitly: 57 letters.
 
2:39 PM
Ah no, it's certainly 19 letters long
no double circling.
 
...what?
 
have I completely misread the puzzle?
 
we need to use all 3 letters left over on each die, don't we?
 
19 dice, 3 letters left over from each
 
2:40 PM
and there are 19 dice?
 
Ah no, sorry. Misunderstood you. Yes 57.
 
:D
19*3
Yeah, no longer or shorter than that.
 
so anyway the problem with @Sconibulus's proposal of BETTER WORLD is that then we need a residual of BET for die 10 so the corresponding word needs to be an anagram of BETSAT and I'm not sure there is any such word; I certainly don't have any among my candidate clue-solutions/
 
BETTAS is a type of fish.. probably friable
 
2:42 PM
O RLY?
 
Ahahah
 
though I think you mean fryable
 
but yeah, it's not good
 
friable = crumbly
 
@GarethMcCaughan Oh wow, you solved the puzzle! :P ahah No, just joking, but that would have been fun.
 
2:43 PM
@GarethMcCaughan oh, cool, new words
 
@Alenanno sorry, is that confirmation that BETTAS is not our food with oxidized fatty acids? (I don't think it at all likely that it is, of course.)
 
@Sconibulus Pretty that's spelled BETA fish, no?
 
nope, it's BETTA, not like the greek letter
at least, that's what I've always seen
 
The OED hasn't heard of it, but that doesn't prove much
anyway, there's a Wikipedia page about the betta fish
definitely betta not beta
 
I think it's a pet, not food
 
2:45 PM
I can vouch that it's a real fish, my mom used to have a bunch. They're tiny.
Think pinky in terms of size rather than hand.
 
tiny fish do not generally make good food (though the English eat whitebait)
(deep-fried whole and eaten whole)
(which freaks me the hell out)
 
@GarethMcCaughan I was referring to O RLY? actually. :P
 
oh!
sorry, that was just internetmemespeak for "oh really?"
 
@GarethMcCaughan Yes I know. I was saying that it would have been fun as a solution. :D
I mean, maybe not fun for you guys.
ahah
 
I suspect that around die 9 (whose residual looks likely to be either HON or FTH) we may have ...OD O/F TH/E DE. Ah, and then what precedes it might be .../IC G/ -- some culture's god of the dead or something
 
2:51 PM
@GarethMcCaughan Are you writing down your brainstorming by the way?
 
only here
 
Alenanno, where are you from?
 
@Sconibulus Italy, why?
 
Wondering if you used Brenglish :)
 
I'd been assuming so
(I think I know what word you are contemplating)
(you could infer that I have the same word in my list, from things I have already said)
 
2:52 PM
yeah, it's a good word, probably fits better than the one I had
 
@Sconibulus which are?
 
HONOUR (rather than e.g. MEDALS)
 
I see.
 
yeah, that one, I didn't think Honor would be pluralized, while MEDAL might have been
and RIBBON, which I really wanted didn't fit a die :)
 
oh, never thought of RIBBON
 
2:53 PM
but that's just because I like ribbons
 
By the way, not making any references but you guys are doing a terrific job at brainstorming. I was even unsure about not giving the definitions in order, now I'm glad I did. I wasn't foreseeing your joint effort though, which helps a lot lol
You like ribbons or the word ribbons?
 
both, it sounds fun and looks jaunty
 
hmm, I can make CHTHONIC GOD OF THE DEAD
actually not necessarily DAED
*DEAD
but OF THE D... anyway
which sounds pretty cool and is a nice use of some of those annoyingly consonant-heavy residuals for 3,5,12,14,17
 
you still haven't posted an answer, @GarethMcCaughan?
 
2:58 PM
@GarethMcCaughan Ok, now you should post an answer, I want to see your progress. :D Please make it a single spoiler list, like I did. :P
 
@Sid He's doesn't know the answer since it's from a book, so he'd have to give more context from the book, which may or may not be relevant.
 

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