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10:02 AM
oh.... have to ask. What can I say, I'm curious.
@Powerdork that avatar, random choice or show fan?
 
 
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11:08 AM
@Derpy nir profile says "pone" ;)
 
 
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2:00 PM
@AncientSwordRage "Latest guidance issued on CHamoru writing and spelling," article for Pacific News Center Guam. Direct link to Guam CHamoru orthography PDF: Utugrafihan CHamoru, Guåhan
(Note: the very existence of a government-associated orthography is controversial among some CHamorus, and these particular orthographic choices are making statements about the culture's relationship with the world in support of various political positions. Language is never neutral, but regulatory bias cuts especially close to the bone here.)
 
2:27 PM
Interesting!
Thanks for sharing that
 
2:39 PM
@BESW that is a shame, does it help at least with the CHamoru classes in schools?
 
 
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4:01 PM
> The digraph ch is treated as a single letter, hence both characters are capitalized at the beginning of a sentence or proper noun, much like ij in Dutch.
That's very interestting to me. We have digraph letters (and a trigraph) but we only capitalize the first half :)
Incidentally scientific papers truncate these initials in abbreviated author lists
Sorry, apparently I can't type on my phone today
 
 
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5:42 PM
[wavewave]
@Derpy I've been watching the show on and off since about 2012. I do some roleplaying in the setting, and in fact just this week I'm starting up a D&D (4e) game with some folks in my roleplaying spaces.
 
 
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7:09 PM
Neat!
 
 
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11:18 PM
@AncientSwordRage From what I've seen it tends to create obstacles because material which doesn't meet whatever the current orthography may be, is harder to get approved for use in a class. I once worked on a textbook that got outdated between the time it was sent off for printing and the time it was available for sale.
But I can't speak for anybody who matters as to whether it's worth it; it doesn't harm or benefit me. I just know that there's strong disagreement about both the way it's done, and whether it should be done, among the stakeholders.
 
@BESW wow
I hope in the fullness of time, the system settles into something more useful for everyone
 
Yeah. And it's very understandable. We're talking about a language that didn't develop its own writing system but rather had colonists using their own orthography to write down what they heard... and then the language was suppressed for generations, to within living memory (my friends' parents grew up with "English is the language of success" propaganda, and punishment for speaking CHamoru on the playground at school).
So the last several decades are the first time ever that the languages' speakers are in a position to make any kind of authoritative (or even public) decisions about how it's written, and there's a lot of different ideas about what that can/should look like.
Use the Spanish orthography that was imposed by the original colonizers, and recognize the way generations of ancestors interacted with their language?
Use IPA orthography to signal the presence of CHamorus on the world stage, but wipe away the history of the culture's writing?
Invent a new orthography suited to the modern CHamoru reality, rejecting both historical and modern colonization but setting the culture apart from its world partners?
 

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