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Derpy

7:40 AM

Opinion: does this comment sound a tad condescending?

Rubiksmoose

@Derpy if I'm reading this right, this sounds like an attempted compliment no?

Derpy

@Rubiksmoose that was why I asked, I can't discern if that is a compliment or mockery.

Rubiksmoose

@Derpy It's honestly really hard to tell

It's more confusing than either, but if I had to guess, I would guess it was intended as a compliment ("page-turner" being rather positive in connotation)

Derpy

I know. The fact that the comment ends with "..." doesn't help my understanding either. I guess I will just skip over it then.

Rubiksmoose

yeah, it is very unclear to me as well.

@Akixkisu So I know this is very old at this point, but I am just now noticing it. Do you have any feedback for me about that comment in particular? The way you used it as an example implies (by my reading) that you see it as an example of a bad or negative comment, but I did not intend it that way. If so, what can I do to better make that clear?

(note: I think the broader context the point was made in was resolved so I'm just interesting in that comment)

Someone_Evil

7:56 AM

@Rubiksmoose I think you're interesting elsewhere too, but I assume you meant interested

Rubiksmoose

@Someone_Evil darn! just a second too late lol

Akixkisu

8:33 AM

@Rubiksmoose no, I don't think that it is negative. But I regard it as policing. Someone not calling that "policing" is what I would regard as dishonest - this kind of policing is endorsed and wanted.

Effectively it is what business do in their evaluations. We have a structure of competing answers that are rewarded with up-votes, punished with down-votes, and this feeds into basic desires of loss-aversion. Hm, this is a complex topic of remuneration systems that deal with worker happiness and competitive evaluation. Oversimplified: we compare our answers and if we place below-average our h…

Rubiksmoose

@Akixkisu huh, well I'm not sure I understand where the perspective on that being policing comes from necessarily though. I wasn't talking about rules at all in the comment was I?

It is possible we mean different things by the term.

But regardless I am pleased to hear that you didn't view it as a negative comment.

Akixkisu

@Rubiksmoose You had the good intention of improving the answer, and the tool you employ is that given by this site - this is the policing in which we control our collaborative work. The policing is monitoring of quality content born from a shared-goal. Specific: Questions should be clear and understandable - therefore we comment, and this feedback that we get is part of the comparative evaluation (that we do ourselves).

We police each other everywhere with our guidelines/social contracts, norms and etiquettes - likewise policing is often a good thing regardless of the culturally negative connotation that the word may have.

Rubiksmoose

8:52 AM

Indeed. I'm still not sure policing is the term I'd personally pick for this behavior, but I get what you are saying. Tone is important though, not just intent. If I had said "Fix your question or else I will vote to close it because I have no idea what you are talking about." that would have been out of line (IMO) despite going for the same goal.

Someone_Evil

I think that use of term is very useful, but it may be valuable to remember that it is not always used in that broad a sense. Most of the time it will refer more to enforcement of strict rules/stopping harmful behaviour, and using terms in a different sense than is common can easily lead to misunderstandings

Example: deleting a comment or chat message that is rude is policing, suggesting an improvement on a Q/A is not. (to most people)

Akixkisu

9:06 AM

A gun is still a gun, whether handed smiling or not. The person who gets feedback is not coerced, but as the person shares the same goal, they will likely comply or get defensive about it.

Imagine your fly is open in public, you still feel embarrassed, even if someone helps you to fix it because you do not want to be the person whose fly is open in public. If you do not comply, you will be punished (with looks, stares, etc.). Some people decide not to tell someone that their fly is open in public because they know that the person who will receive the feedback will get embarrassed either wa…

We monitor these things, and we have goals towards which we act. StackExchange is brim-full with self-moderation tools. But that is generally helpful.

Rubiksmoose

Indeed. Well thank you for your feedback. I didn't intend to have this go down the road of competing definitions. I just wanted to make sure my meaning was clear there and if not, to learn from my mistake.

Akixkisu

Sure I happen to enjoy that ;)

Rubiksmoose

Oh me too, at times.

Derpy

10:28 AM

why do I have to keep working on business-oriented (sharepoint) apps and can't do something more useful for the world instead...

Like focusing on neural network based generation of cats pictures

trogdor

lol

Rubiksmoose

@Derpy Some of those are terrifying. All of them are amazing

V2Blast

@Rubiksmoose terrifying: d2ph5fj80uercy.cloudfront.net/03/cat3204.jpg

Rubiksmoose

gah!

V2Blast

my brain can't even parse this one: d2ph5fj80uercy.cloudfront.net/03/cat6127.jpg

Rubiksmoose

10:37 AM

I...can't even.

The green light in that picture is actually one of the more confusing parts of it.

Besides the obvious cat-like subject

Derpy

the "deepfake" thing has become pretty viral at this point.

consider someone actually made this (and it is not even the only one, just one of the more known and better made)

https://make.girls.moe/

Anime (girl) faces generation.

Rubiksmoose

I'm sure this says something about us as humans. I'm just not sure what.

Derpy

@Rubiksmoose wonder if there is any game that actually tried to apply this to npc generation

Rubiksmoose

@Derpy I wonder! It's darned good.

Derpy

11:24 AM

@Rubiksmoose disclaimer... It is old. Very old.

But it is also very understandable by non-technical people.

This is a pretty good example about how a "very stupid" approach at creating an AI that plays a generic game could do wonders....

Computer program that learns to play classic NES games

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especially nice when the AI actually start using game bugs to progress and maximize scores.

BESW

11:41 AM

A very long time ago, before YouTube had monopolized content and people made .swf jokes as often as they made video jokes, somebody made the RPG NPC Simulator.

It was an old Flash interactive with a tired-looking guy sitting at a bar and a text input box. No matter what you typed in, the man would sigh deeply and say, "Times are tough."

He made it into several of my early campaigns.

Derpy

@BESW see this ^

BESW

With "Drying Paint" expansion pack and "Growing Grass" spinoff?

Derpy

probably, yep.

BESW

Not to be confused with the unrelated words-and-colors game "Pot and Kettle."

(It doesn't have a lot of replay value.)

Derpy

I would love to say that is just something that no one will ever make.
Then I remember that the Desert Bus --VR-- remake actually not only got made... it managed to be on STEAM too.

BESW

12:08 PM

It could go into the Not a Game Jam Game Jam.

Derpy

@BESW you... know this, right?

There's also a Katamari level where everything is just slightly bigger than you, and a Mario level with a star just out of reach.

well, someone actually made it in a real game.

Just search for "Hell Tetris"

that said... It's a nice link you gave me, never heard of that before. Thanks

BESW

Some of the creators who contributed to it are amazingly talented and just blowing my mind with what they're doing with RPGs, especially in terms of decolonizing the medium.

See also Folklore Jam and Dog Jam 2k19

Derpy

just wondering... since I mentioned it before when we were talking about "cozy" games, did you ever happen to see a flash game called "Fisher Diver"?

BESW

Nope.

Derpy

12:29 PM

yep, I guessed so. A pity in a way, but an expected one. It is nothing really complex, but it has an interesting ending.

not really related to "not-a-game" but still something people usually don't expect.

May 8 at 8:52, by Derpy

Is Fisher Diver cozy? After all, you are just fishing, apparently cannot even dye during the game (if you do, the day you died on is revealed to just be a nightmare) and you don't even have to fish if you don't want to....

May 8 at 8:53, by Derpy

Yep, there is that strange weird fact that the diary "pages" you keep finding are from a guy called Connell.....

trogdor

@Derpy absolutely riveting 11/10

Derpy

@trogdor it is an actual game made by a Deviantart user

Pot Watcher - The Game

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trogdor

wat

huh

people will make anything

Derpy

@trogdor Look, will take any of these "non-games" over some of the games that real companies actually managed to release.

trogdor

12:51 PM

@Derpy at least it's short and not offensive I guess

Derpy

@trogdor the pot watcher thing?

trogdor

yes

because of what you said above

there are some games that should never have been made

Derpy

that was my point, yep.

trogdor

I could even go so far as to say a lot of them

there are also quite a few that are legitimately games and some people enjoy but that I would rather spend a minute and 45 seconds playing pot watcher than play myself

so that's also fair enough

Derpy

Look... you folks have an unwritten rule here about not mentioning a specific "tabletop rpg game", right?

trogdor

12:57 PM

I wasn't even talking about RPG games

I was limiting myself to video games

but yeah there are a few of those that should never have been made

anyway I don't think you are unallowed to mention the game I think you mean but I think it would be best to let it die of not being known

Derpy

well, let's just stop ourselves at saying that the videogame "game" I was thinking of and that I would not touch even with the Ruyi Jingu Bang is basically what I consider the equivalent of that tabletop one.

In case you don't know, Ruyi Jingu Bang is the original name of Son Goku / Sun Wukong staff. The one that could extend to arbitrary lengths.

trogdor

I did not remember the name

I have read Journey to the West though

V2Blast

9:02 PM

@Derpy I remember only because of RWBY

rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Ruyi_Bang_and_Jingu_Bang

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