Superior Simple

3:30 AM

Hello

> A 2D programming language that when decompressed has only 5 commands

@UnrelatedString o/

i feel like hyperminimalist and 2d may not mix very well

because you're going to have to allocate some commands to just spatial organization

unless you've got some idea where that's all implicit

which could actually be pretty neat

I am thinking of a command that changes to 4spaces or something

@UnrelatedString I always forget to rely

*replyy

you don't need to reply most of the time :P

3:46 AM

Ok thnx

Because 2dlangs imo need less commands

i can say this command does this if left to right else this if up to down

@UnrelatedString how do I get more people here?

ask in tnb or something

oh wait you already did lmao

I just did

PyGamer0

I was thinking of brainfuck based

@Nobody They need control flow and conditional redirects, which is already gonna be a pain

Although... thinking about that, you could theoretically replace all of those with one command

4:02 AM

yeah you can go hyper tarpit and make everything serve multiple uses

but at that point no point in actually exercising the compression because it won't be worth treating like a golflang

Source compression is an interesting concept

Because if you fit each command in seven bytes you're effectively halving the amount of builtins you can fit

Well because I don’t want to program with 10. Types of characters, much better compress them

if it won't be abstractly "competitive" then unless there's something deeply interesting about the compression scheme it serves no aesthetic pupose

@emanresuA I can say this builtin does this in this direction so theoretically I get 4 times the smmount

Oh gosh that's cursed

Smart but cursed

4:05 AM

oh
oh yes

And also very annoying to uuse

Idea for source compression:

in The Nineteenth Byte, Sep 28, 2021 at 17:37, by Redwolf Programs

Basically, you follow the path the IP would take, writing down any non-duplicate instructions along the way

I was thinking, maybe we can compress often to see snippets

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That makes it so that 2d programs don't need to waste bytes representing empty space

@RadvylfPrograms I don’t understand the way infinite loops work

4:08 AM

You just don't repeat duplicate instructions

can you sort of make a compressor, if so thanks a megaton

@RadvylfPrograms how do you decode it

As you're "drawing" the program from the list of instructions, if you move ahead into a space that already contains an instruction, you jump past it

It gets slightly more complex with conditional stuff, and basically uses a prefix notation

I could make an example compressor and decompressor for a simple 2d language tomorrow if you want

But I am going to go to sleep now o/

4:51 AM

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7:25 AM

@RadvylfPrograms thanks, I just had so,e stuff to do

now I am designing the language

@RadvylfPrograms illl try figure it out myself, sorta understands mow

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9:01 AM

@UnrelatedString any more ideas?

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Forgive my bad handwriting

9:40 AM

better than mine :)

can't quite tell what all of it means but that's an interesting start for sure

Thanks

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