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12:05 AM
@user wow I never knew how much I needed something like powertoys
 
 
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1:36 AM
@lyxal back, testing now
I'm just going to make you a password and send it to you via email
 
1:50 AM
But where is the password
 
there have been technical issues
I am currently reinstalling the server software to fix said issues
 
I'm glad it's not due to the fact I tried to sign up with a username of 😎😎😎
 
lol
 
Me when the file isn't found
 
2:05 AM
I'm doing the reinstall
 
Me when local settings not found
 
I'm setting the site up, please do not touch anything
 
I'll go do some lichess puzzles while I wait
 
2:24 AM
@lyxal okey dokey, it should be done
you can make your account now, no emails needed
you just can't yet edit
 
Can't even edit my user page
So sad
 
whoops lol
I'll fix that tomorrow
 
Gotta love having an account you can't do things with
 
I'll add you to the verified group rq
shit g2g
will do tmrw
 
2:50 AM
"username will be changed to start with an uppercase letter" they said. "technical limitations" they said
the cgcc wiki is no match against the power of ৷yxal!
 
i wonder if there's any substitute that's the exact same height in this font
i tried the palochka but it's the same size as the bengali numeral lol
 
@lyxal I just wish the spotlight-like search box could be moved around
I remember that was one of the cooler changes that came with going from 10.10 to 10.11 (I think that was the version where spotlight could be moved)
I love the file preview powertoys adds
feels like finder used to be :p
 
3:09 AM
@lyxal A Mac user?!
I thought better of you
 
this was like 3 years ago
@user you'll be horrified to know that I made all my esolangs initially on macOs :p
 
AAAAAAA
Not Vyxal, though, right?
I can't believe I've touched code that's been on a Mac
 
2 mins ago, by lyxal
this was like 3 years ago
looks at how old Vyxal is
 
Hey I'm sleepy okay
 
Vyxal is almost 3 years old
I'm saying it was made on mac you dingus
 
3:13 AM
I think my time zone's somewhere in the Atlantic
 
and using IDLE too!
 
uggadddgguu
Excuse me while I dip my fingers in acid to cleanse them
@lyxal Wait it can be moved around by default
It's just setting the location permanently that needs extra tweaking
 
man i remember when i was used idle on a mac
 
@user oh yeah it can be moved. Just had to drag it by the search glass thing
 
You too?
I thought you were more sophisticated than that
 
3:15 AM
never actually realized i could be using a real fucking text editor until i couldn't get idle to run on windows :P
 
@lyxal You can also select a little above or below the text
lol
 
I didn't exclusively use IDLE for everything (I also used Atom for some things), but all my esolangs were originally all IDLE
 
My first project (not including the ones in Scratch or on Khan Academy) was in Notepad++
I copied all of my code from Khan Academy, which had its own builtins, so it started glitching really weird
@lyxal How bad is IDLE actually?
 
good for small projects
 
Can you navigate to definition and all that?
 
3:17 AM
horrible once you start doing multi-file stuff and once you develop an addiction to copilot and intellisense
@user I don't think so
you can jump to line
just not definition
 
Oh I guess you can't navigate if it's in a different file
That makes sense
If it's in the same file you can just Ctrl+F anyway
 
I don't like what they've done to IDLE in versions 3.10+
why would anyone want a margin bar thing?
also, the thing I miss about macOS is being able to use unicode in the default terminal without it being either garbled completely or just straight up ignored
looks at powershell
 
@user the main thing i remember was it shat itself on unicode codepoints above a certain threshold due to some limitation of tk
 
@UnrelatedString oh yeah I remember this
I actually have a funny bit of code I wrote once because of that limitation
one second
 
lmao
 
3:22 AM
lmao
 
PUSH_N_PRINT = "ȦƁƇƉƐƑƓǶȊȷǨȽƜƝǪǷɊƦȘȚȔƲɅƛƳƵ"
for n in range(127234, 127243): PUSH_N_PRINT += chr(n)
#NOTE: Don't go trying to print PUSH_N_PRINT in IDLE...
#Tkinter doesn't like some of the characters
there we go
found it
had to use a for loop over a range of the character codes
because I was using only IDLE
and not a text editor
 
That's hilarious
 
normal people would just have a string
 
that's amazing
 
the source of that snippet should be no surprise :p
 
3:24 AM
Keg?
 
we have a winner :p
 
also what the hell i had no idea Ʀ existed
 
Looks like the prescription R
 
i assume the process that led to its invention was
- okay, we need a capital version of small caps r so it's still distinct if we need to transcribe younger futhark in all caps or something
- but small caps r
- fuck it, let's put an extra stroke on capital thorn so it looks like an r
 
 
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9:20 AM
I used to unironically use IDLE for vyxal due to the lag of using vscode's default python extension on elements.py
Now I just use a codespace, when I do vyxal stuff, which is hardly ever
 
 
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10:41 AM
I just had a PR of mine merged into the Scala 3 compiler!
I shall live forever through that code
Just like Shakespeare through his plays
I have to say, I was mildly disappointed by the code quality
Big files, long and complex methods, not too many comments
And the cobtributors’ guide seems to be aimed at people doing very surface level stuff and does not explain much about the design of the whole thing
No scalafmt set up, which might be a technical limitation, but there were lines going beyond 100 columns
The whole thing is so complicated, I’m afraid to make my own language now if it’s going to be anywhere near that level of complexity
 
@user we'll have to stick to the version with your commit :p
ain't no way I'm using scala compilers with changes not by the greatest scala expert I know :p
/srs though: well done! First time or have you had others merged before?
 
 
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12:01 PM
@UnrelatedString pretty sure I complained about this in TNB once :b
uhhhhhhhhhh @lyxal
you do not seem to exist
 
dang
 
oh, you used some weird unicode fuckery to get a lowercase l
 
lol
 
well, because I can't type that I'm just gonna go and change your name back to "Lyxal"
 
aw
I spent like 5 minutes trying to find a suitable character for that
 
12:07 PM
aight done
now lemme just make you verified rq
 
can I at least have ~lyxal?
I quite like it all lowercase
 
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lemme check
 
it's valid name btw
it would have let me use it
I'm asking are you okay with it
 
sure, it's done
 
:)
 
12:09 PM
you're an RO, so lemme also make you a member of the bureaucrat group
done!
you can now use most of the mod tools and actually edit pages
brb
 
@user ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
congrats
 
and back
@user nice!
@lyxal that's some nice greeting text you got there :p
first order of business: Figuring out what to put on the main page
 
 
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1:56 PM
okey dokey, I have created a bare-bones main page
now we just need to add some content
 
2:09 PM
@RydwolfPrograms the wiki is up; if you create an account ping me so I can make it verified and/or mod
 
2:51 PM
now it is time for me to figure out how to get SE to work with MediaWiki
I have no interest in learning PHP, so I think what I will do is set up a separate system that handles SE auth and uses the MediaWiki API to make users verified
 
3:34 PM
update: I'm learning PHP
 
3:57 PM
@lyxal I've corrected typos and broken links in docs before, never contributed any code
lmao
Thanks for the support
 
 
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5:52 PM
in The Reading Room, 3 hours ago, by Tsundoku
How do I say I'm a robot? I can't find a checkbox for that.
 
good question
 
6:41 PM
@user thats how i felt when i got a pr to paper (the mc server software, most popular one) merged :P
@Ginger what are you doing?
 
making a code golf wiki
 
link?
 
can i be mod too
 
nah, sorry
only ROs get to be mod
 
6:49 PM
wasnt expecting anyway :P
 
What's your account name? lemme make you verified
 
Seggan
 
one sec
 
whats verified
 
non-verified users can't edit anything
 
6:50 PM
mm
time to finish rol faster
 
ok done
 
ty
 
7:12 PM
Well school's been cancelled for tomorrow too
And I have no hot water lol
@user :o the horror
How will I view Scala's source code on my VT100 now
That's not even 4k btw
 
 
1 hour later…
8:44 PM
I have been procrastinating a maths paper that was turned in 3 months ago.
I just realised it's due in a week.
yay fun
I have no idea how I'm supposed to solve 3 problems in 5 days
frick no youtube for a whole week then :/
 
8:58 PM
I can give you something else to be distracted by
 
yes
 
9:28 PM
I'm still stuck in My Immortal mode apparently I just read "executed serially" as "executed sexily"
 
*chops off your head sexily*
 
 
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10:35 PM
@RydwolfPrograms Makes splitting really tough
Stuff like this should not be on one line
  case class SearchSuccess(tree: Tree, ref: TermRef, level: Int, isExtension: Boolean = false)(val tstate: TyperState, val gstate: GadtConstraint)
And it's not just line length, it helps to have some consistency in syntax
For example, it looks like the codebase is using the if ... then ... else ... syntax instead of if (...) ... else ..., and that has to be enforced manually
Some places are using significant indentation, some aren't
Not a huge deal, just mildly annoying
 
@user Wait Scala supports that? or is it like, some cursed Java feature that it has to for backwards compat
 
New feature
I am not a fan but /shrug
 
Yeah I get why you're not a fan...what is this, shell script?
 
It would've been nice if Scala started out with that from the start but changing the syntax when a language is already stable is not a great idea
@RydwolfPrograms wdym
It's not if [[ ]]
 
[[ ]] isn't part of the if syntax
[[ is just a command that happens to be convenient as an if condition
 
10:41 PM
Yeah but most cases need it to be used
 
if ... then is like, TI-BASIC or shell script type stuff
 
if ... then ... else ... is pretty common outside of shell scripts (and looks pretty clean tbh)
 
Name one lang from the 21st century that primarily uses that
 
Why?
 
It's ancient and ugly
 
10:42 PM
I really don't see how it's ugly
It's a nice syntax, I just don't see why they added it when there was an existing, commonly-used syntax
 
'cause using words as delimiters makes eveyrthing visually blur together
 
Not when you're using something with highlighting
And once you start recognizing then as a keyword, you can understand it even without highlighting
 
blugh I deserve an award for making this wiki work just using nano
 
Someone set Ginger up with their favorite editor as an award :P
 
is that a ternary syntax or an actual if-else syntax?
For ternary it's too verbose
For non-ternary it's too ugly
 
10:45 PM
Both
 
^
 
There's a reason everything uses if (...) or if ...: or if ... {
 
That reason is mainly tradition
Yes, it's verbose, but curly braces are kinda ugly
 
Not really...it replaced the older tradition of using then
 
@RydwolfPrograms Elm
 
10:46 PM
@RydwolfPrograms Look at BASICs, ALGOL, etc.
 
Really? Wasn't such a bad tradition then
 
A lot of this just boils down to what people think personally
@RydwolfPrograms Because I think if then else looks nice
 
If you were raised on if then else, you would probably not dislike it so much
 
10:47 PM
@DLosc Ew I knew one of those e-languages would've done it :/
 
lol
 
@user I can say I prefer if then else over if {} else {} too
 
It's pretty common in FP languages
Or at least ones inspired by ML, I think
 
if (...) will always be the best option IMO
 
(was Haskell inspired by ML?)
 
10:48 PM
@RydwolfPrograms I mean, Elm probably borrowed it from Haskell, but you said 21st century
 
Haskell has an e :P
So does ML (Meta Language)
 
Well dangit :P
QBasic doesn't have an e...
 
QueBaesec
 
QBaseec
 
QueueBaeSec
 
10:50 PM
Security for queues of baes?
 
Cue Baysick
 
Or security for queues, provided by baes?
 
Why does the extra ue need to be in queue in the first place
Wouldn't que be pronounced the same
 
No the Spanish took that already, that's Kay :P
I kinda wish the letter "q" didn't exist tbh. It's hard to write (the capital one) and most words using it could probably just use something else
 
@RydwolfPrograms That's... a good question. BRB, checking etymonline
 
10:52 PM
Wdym hard to write, you just draw a circle and put a line in it lol
Certainly easier than like, a lowercase j
 
No matter what I do it looks ugly :(
 
And I have no idea how to write it in cursive
That looks ugly
Okay, not ugly, but I like to draw my Qs more like ^
 
"all of english looks ugly..."
 
Everything looks ugly
 
10:55 PM
nuh uh
 
Okay, not me, but everything else
I am the epitome of attractiveness
 
@RydwolfPrograms So apparently you can blame Old French. Etymonline says the spellings cue, coe, and queue were all in use at the time, and queue won out. Ultimately, and surprisingly, the word is derived from Latin coda, "tail."
 
I think I'm gonna draw another chapter of P4
 
@user same
 
@DLosc Interesting. Was "oe" for "oo" or "yoo" normal at the time?
 
10:56 PM
I hate SQL so much
 
@DLosc Aha! It's always the fr*nch
 
Not the fr*nch! 🤮
 
@Ginger Welcome to the club, your membership card will arrive in 6-8 weeks (once we finish figuring out how to put your name in our database)
 
(btw, does anyone know what the whole French-hating thing is about? It seems like French redditors are cool with it but idk how it started)
 
Probably an okbr thing
 
10:58 PM
@RydwolfPrograms I'm afraid there was already a Ginger in our database so we cannot accept any more members called Ginger
 
@RydwolfPrograms Well see what I don't know is how it was pronounced at the time. It might have been rather different. Modern French is given on Wiktionary as /kø/.
 
@user maybe I should change my name to "null" then q:
 
@user I've seen it mostly on okbr, maybe sometimes on cn too
 
I'm pronouncing it "kweh-weh" from now on to mess with future linguists
 
cn?
Have kids, inspire them to be linguists, but homeschool them and mispronounce everything
 
11:05 PM
If I were to guess, I'd think that before the Great Vowel Shift we pronounced it more like /kew/ or /kɛw/ (/k/ from qu, /e/ from e, /w/ from u, silent e at the end). But that doesn't explain the cue / coe spellings.
 
@user comedy necrophilia
 
Oh
I've seen it on r/memes and other places too
 
11:30 PM
Just got my SQL query working :D
it says a lot about SQL that I'm this excited about figuring out how to do what should be a trivial task
 
I mean, that's true for a lot of languages/frameworks, particularly when it's different from anything you've done before
 
And SQL does require a different way of thinking
 

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