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12:13 AM
Okay... couldn't bring it down to a summary, so I ended up with a bit of a story. Pasting it in now.
 
@iszi jesus, that's like a full page
 
Yeah... I tend to have a bit of difficulty getting going, but once I've started...
 
Hrmm, interesting.
We'll see what other backgrounds he ends up with
foodtime
 
Already found one or two others that would fit that one well, but I'll leave those to whomever has him next.
 
 
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1:53 AM
"editorial comments in the voice of your player"
does that mean the character you're fleshing out?
 
:5939 ... yes
 
:D Distinctions are important!
I'm going with "This is how the character would respond if (s)he knew." Which does not necessarily mean they know or don't know.
 
So, these backgrounds... there's like a list of them? Somewhere?
 
2:27 AM
@Sohum Some of the rulebooks have them, as well as the Character Builder. Or, you could just describe a couple features of your character's backstory. If it matches an official background, we can fill it in for you.
Some backgrounds confer bonuses. In the end, you're allowed to select one bonus for the character, from those offered by the backgrounds that were picked.
 
*min-max mode activated*
no, bad, off
 
LOL
You can choose up to 5 backgrounds when building a character normally. Most backgrounds offer a choice of two skill bonuses, with the option to add either training or +2 to one of those. In the end, of the 20 options you have (5 backgrounds, 2 skills associated with each, 2 options for each skill) you have to choose only one bonus to actually apply.
Off-topic, does anyone else think that's a HUGE horse? Aren't they usually 1x2, if even that large?
 
it's, like, a hippo
 
I mean, seriously? 10'x10'?
 
maybe it's two horses?
You tend to need two horses to pull a wagon anyway...
 
2:36 AM
Yeah, but they should still be separate. I mean, one horse could pull it alone if he had to...
And, what if we wanted to leave the wagon and just mount them?
 
They're horsemates. They will never leave each other, never ever ever ever.
 
Eeeeww.... lovebug-horses!
 
3:08 AM
aaand now we scroll up
....
um
horse is large creature
it occupies some volume within that circle
also, if you want cheese...
I recommend "auspicious birth"
or "born under a bad sign"
cause mm, using highest stat for HP is great
of course, what the others think is simple "he's a cheesy munchkinpants"
 
C'mon, I'm no zoologist, but I'm pretty sure most horses will fit in a 5'x10' rectangle.
 
I agree. But I'm /delighted/ by the fact that large is 2x2, and I don't have to think about thin or long or wide or square or whatever
 
I know I've seen some 1x2 minis, but it's interesting that the Compendium and Monster Builder don't seem to specify.
Though, I've now just come up with a good question to post, I think.
 
4:11 AM
aargblgubh
 
4:52 AM
axe murderer is actually pretty damn funny
 
....
::mutter::
 
5:17 AM
er.. are the backgrounds you've mentioned real or fake?
er, actual 4e backgrounds?
 
I have been told that it's okay to just describe a couple features of their backstory?
 
And I totally do not have the highest wordcount :P
 
I get grumpy. Are you ok with the "mapped" backrounds that I provided?
Well done.
::covers his head and neck::
 
What's the difference between Gritty Sergeant and Haunted Veteran?
 
5:24 AM
good question!
gritty sgt, mechanically, gains +1 to init and a free simple or military proficiency
haunted vet gets a reroll against a fear effect
 
They /sound/ okay, from their names, but I can't... I can find dragon 373 somewhere I assume.
 
the first two are from 366
 
what about flavorfully?
I have 366!
 
haunted vet is "saw stuff no one should see. Now i'm here. Go die in a fire.'
Gritty Sgt is um..
"Many of my people have bled on me. But I've patched them up and sent them right back. "
Does what it says on the tin
 
Gritty Sergeant is perfect
 
5:28 AM
yup
 
What does "Good background: Human" even mean
 
in dragon 366. Gritty Sergeant is supposed to be a good background for a human.
I can't see how you can make that judgement
 
I... don't know?
humans like to go to war a lot in SoW?
 
fair enough
 
5:31 AM
I try not to pay attention to SoW fluff. It makes my head hurt more.
and apparently the wilden is english.
 
ahhahahaha
that is awesome
 
Not sure how it happened, really
 
Um.
Just a quick note -
not that I'm not okay with it!
Moar Britishness is always good!
but... you don't have to overdo it
 
hehehehe
yeah
 
Mystic Slayer is pretty accurate. the Art of the Kill backgrounds look a lot less... proscribed? flavourful? than the SoW backgrounds.
 
5:45 AM
yeah
the quality of backgrounds are /all/ over the place
also 366 to 373 shows experience
4e has had vintages
 
 
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8:30 AM
holy crap there's a lot of feats
(poking at pathguy.com/cg4.htm )
 
8:57 AM
Just a bit, yeah
Is why I mostly use the charOp guides if I'm in a hurry
well, by now, I use my brain. But same thing.
 
You have the entire set of feats and their applicability in your brain?
 
9:15 AM
ummmm... patterns, roughly yeah
and beyond that, I've got a search function and then the boards for specifics
 
fair enough
/me nod
 
I'm trying to figure out whether this is, in fact, an anti-power-gaming measure
No new - or even, in most cases, old - player can hope to understand all the existing feats in a reasonable amount of time
so, he intuitionists
and thus, he roleplays
it's interesting.
 
::blink::
The trick is to know the patterns
 
Right!
Patterns are more closely related to character concepts than character mechanics
sure, there will always be people who do manage to hold the thing in their head and optimise away
and they're happy
because there's so many different options
 
9:21 AM
eeer.
Okay, all I know is I practice inductive character creation and I don't have problems?
But everyone's confused when I explain it to them.
 
but for the rest of us, "Oh, yea, he totally needs to be a sharpshooter. That feat looks like it's sharpshooter-related."
"Yay!"
 
right
well, more to the point, they start by looking at the books (and this is where their brains explode)
and they look through for stuff that looks "interesting"
and then stuff falls off their mental stack, because deductive logic doesn't tell them anything they already know
I start with a /requirement/
 
right!
and that's valuable, I think
/me notes down "Force an intuitionistic approach to Building/Customising"
 
::scratches head:: Okay?
sorry, back in a bit.
inductive, not intuitionsitic
big difference
technically its probably abductive
yeah, more abductive than inductive.
 
Um. I may not be using the word "intuitionistic" in the strict formal sense
 
9:34 AM
bbiab
 
9:48 AM
so, I nabbed the demo for the D&D CB. It... doesn't seem to be recent? It has Doppelganger, f'rinstance, instead of Changeling, with ability scores +2Cha and +2Int.
 
10:07 AM
yeah, it's um... version 2008
will answer your question tomroorw (BTW, that should be in comments)
bad bad headache tonight
 
11:04 AM
as to why horses are 2x2, you have to remember there is no facing in dnd, so they are facing all directions at all times, so they have to have the 2x2 to be able to do that with out sharing a square.
 
 
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12:32 PM
Good answer. Someone may want to ask the question so that you can answer it and get points :)
 
 
5 hours later…
5:43 PM
i'
m at like 100 points already, do i need more?
 
6:03 PM
@Kedearian To participate in this exercise, all you needed was 20. (That much is required to gain chat privileges.) But feel free to contribute more to the parent site! :-)
 
6:58 PM
:6255 You could always ask more questions ;-)
 
 
4 hours later…
11:17 PM
morning all
 
morning
 
Oookay, so we've got 2 laggards
 
indeed
 
@RMorrisey Can you update your backgrounds?
 
one question
 
11:18 PM
Aaand I'll... just e-mail eric
da?
 
are you ok with Therin's statement on "Master Chief"?
I didn't write it, and it doesn't seem to jive to me
 
...
hrmmm
Hrmmmm... I didn't specify /who/ should write them
but ::mutter::
they just sound... generic?
but for an urban wealthy elf, not particularly good?
Is community building. Build on what their tone is.
 
my thought, yes
Therin is supposed to be urban, wealthy, arrogant, and calm
not wordy, not directly insulting
 
he wouldn't use the term respect
 
that was my doing, but yes, probably poor word choice
 
11:23 PM
aaand e-mail sent
I love how we already have a 4k word document
with real backstory for these guys
 
a bit overkill in some cases, methinks, but good none the less
 
Now I'm going to consume some breakfast... probably. There may be mastication involved first, considering that eggs are essential..
Rule 37: there is no such thing as overkill. There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload"
::grin::
(and apparently alliteration, too..)
or should it be... as well? :)
 
chuckles
 
Sorry, I'm odd in the morning.
and... in the afternoons and the evening. But I do set aside an hour on alternate tuesdays to be "not odd"
bbiab
 
that's wierd, being not odd on alternate tuesdays.. i thought wednesdays should be normal days. between 1:30 and 2:45 pm EST only.
 
11:26 PM
and the rest of this crew isn't?
Is it ok if I don't fill in ever relationship opportunity
again, in my mind Therin doesn't say much
 
11:42 PM
Greetings. What resides at the higher altitude?
 
cold air?
 
Yeah... for some reason, no one ever seems to get that one.
 
lower atmospheric pressure.
 
Hehe.
@BrianBallsunStanton I'm on IM with Russell. He's on the road right now.
And for those who have Google Talk, I've added you all.
I suppose if we ever go to fully-individual character ownership, that or GMail should be our "note passing" mechanism?
 

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