Theres nothing fair about oscars. Its insiders voting for yearly.

Correction: "....So any one of them will win* best..."

The Academy Awards ("Oscars") were created as a form of advertising and propaganda so that the film industry could better influence the popular and critical conversation about what makes films "good." It has no set metrics for determining 'quality;' winners are chosen by votes from paying members of a professional organization, and studios often try to bribe voters with gifts.

An Oscar award is not an indication of quality in any way, but rather an indication of what the American film industry thinks films should be like.

Oscar winners are famously not the best, but instead the intersection of least objectionable to the public and most flattering to the industry.

@BESW Oh. Just read online and what you say seems right. So the scenarios I was thinking can be true right?

I think your scenario is a category error, since quality really isn't a factor.

But yes, two films that might each win in separate years are competing for a single slot if they come out in the same year. In that sense it's no different from any other ranked competition.

Again, the films are chosen based on industry objectives and studio bribes, not quality.

@BESW Yes, that's why I think there might be some movie which deserves Oscar but misses because "circumstances" and "timing" weren't good for it's release year.

"Deserves" is a strong word for a propaganda stunt.

If we were talking about an award where films get chosen based on more objective qualities then yes, you'd be absolutely right. But "fairness" doesn't really come into play here in the first place.

@BESW Because the way they choose movies isn't "fair" in first place?

Right.

But then, if we were talking about a more objective award, your point would equally apply to an Olympic athlete and the other athletes competing in the same event.

@BESW Yes. Imagine Slumdog Millionaire releasing in the same year as The Lord of The Rings: The_Return_of_the_King

Athletes, films, authors, professional poker players, they're all competing against whoever is also competing at the same time. Sometimes that means there's a glut of talent and losers would have won if they'd been competing in a different year, it's the nature of the concept.

But the Oscars aren't in the same category. They try to give the appearance of a fair competition, but that's never been the purpose or reality of the event.

@BESW Oh. This is also true. If I see Oscars as a competition each year. You're quite right :D

@curious I prefer agates.

@Vincent Here we just had snow for 20 seconds so I guess we should be using twips.

Could we measure precipitation in ångström?

@Vincent if you like big numbers then sure why not

@joojaa Who doesn't like big numbers?

@Wolff well 1cm of water is 100000000Å atleast I think its a bit cumbersome if i need to count the zeroes

@joojaa Yeah ... but it looks cool with a Nordic letter as unit.

@Wolff ahaa gotcha

@joojaa For graphic design I can't stand when people give dimensions in cm. 594x841 mm just looks so much cleaner than 59.4x84.1 cm imo. I'd rather have an extra zero sometimes than decimals.

This is the exact reason why I find the non-decimal fractions used by inch-users repulsive to look at

@Vincent It looks somewhat retro cool in a 1890-ish way.

But not something I envy.

you mean 1780

:P

It's must be confusing to read fractions, but to have to input decimal numbers. Working with mm you can often just input integers.

@Vincent Yeah, haha. "Firstly the wise Typographer would inputeth half Twenty and Three Quarters inches as the Horizontal Measurement followed by Two and Seven Eights Inches as the Vertical Measurement."

Or something like that ...

@Wolff thats what prefixes are for actually. But i frequently work in 100th of a mm.

So i use micrometers as a base unit.

@Wolff you can type 7/8 inch in illustrator

And it will convert it for you

@joojaa Maybe I should tell our bookbinder that I want the dimensions of my next tri-fold to be 100.00 x 210.00 mm.

@joojaa Can you write 2 7/8?

Or do you have to first write 7/8, update and then write +2?

@Wolff I tested this with 2 3/4, and it ended up doing 23/4 for me

@Vincent 🙄

Talking about dimensions. In the artworld here, dimensions of paintings and other works are always given in height x width. And always in cm. Is it the same by you?

Very confusing when communicating with people from art galleries and museums. Designers and engineers will always use width x height right?

Oh, that's nothing I have a conscious opinion on

But as X is always before Y I'd say width x height is more logical

H i

@Vincent Found this example online: galleribruun.com/vare/green-elements

The image is clearly portrait, but the dimensions says 120x100 cm.

It's always like that and it hurts my brain.

@Vikas Hi

Wassup

Not much here really. Just chatting about units and dimensions. You know, cool stuff that will make you popular with the opposite sex.

@Wolff Means?

@Vikas It's irony, meaning that it's a nerdy subject. Trying to be funny.

@Wolff Okay, but how will it make you popular with girls/women?

@Vikas The joke is that it won't

@Wolff There is a reason i stick to the same sex ;)

@Vincent So that was a joke?

@Vincent Whoops, sorry that my joke didn't include you! I should have said "a potential partner" instead.

@Vikas I keep on being amazed by how incompatible our senses of humour can be ^^'

I didn't get the joke

@Vikas Do you not use irony much in Hindi? Or is it just because it's in English?

@Wolff we use. But I didn't get your joke

@Vikas No problem. It wasn't really one for the history books anyway.

I think it's more that self-deprecating jokes tend to fly by

@Vincent We call it "self irony" here.

@Vikas, how does your "movie assessment algorithm" handle movies that have won an Oscar, but gets low IMDB score?

@Vikas, a Danish movie just won an Oscar for Best International Feature Film. That makes 4 total for Denmark, giving us a shared third place. India has 0 Oscars! That seems strange.

@Vikas 🤣

It seems India produces about 7 times as many movies as Denmark per year. Even though you are almost 240 times as many people.

@Wolff Actually, I tend to watch Oscar movies. I'll watch Manchester by the Sea soon. But that doesn't mean I feel like this movie has 7+ ratings on IMDb and an Oscar too, so I' gonna enjoy it even more. I usually like Oscar movies, but don't enjoy them fully. They usually have good lessons to learn or a good story.

@Wolff So 7 times is less or more?

Less? You're right. But I'm tired of 7 times already.

@Vikas More movies in India than in Denmark!

@Wolff Yes.

But I really enjoyed Argo.

@Vikas Actually, forget that number. I have a hard time finding numbers from the same year that I trust.

I really enjoyed Parasite too.

And while watching I forgot it has won Oscar.

@Vikas I haven't watched it, but I would like to.

@Wolff You must. It's good. Bit hard to fully understand the meaning of movie though, I think.

@Vikas I will.

@Wolff Good (for you).

I just found better numbers. In 2019, India made 2446 feature films and Denmark made about 20. So you make about 120 times as many movies. Makes more sense.

@Wolff There's no way I'll ever forget that. Made a website for a painter once and "corrected" all sizes to width x height. She had a LOT of paintings. Then had to redo everything

@curious OK, so it's not just here?

@Wolff Out of those 2446, I feel only 3-4 are good.

@curious I hate it, but it can't be switched over now. People will compare with other catalogues and the sizes won't match.

@Wolff I have One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest in my watch list for 3-4 years, but I can't watch it. I feel it might be boring and not my type.

@Vikas I love that movie.

@Wolff Is it very entertaining or just the screenplay is very good?

@Wolff nope, same in Canada as far as I know

so I assume that's North America but I don't know for sure

@Vikas Hard to answer. I'm not sure what you mean by "entertaining". It's a heart breaking and heart warming movie. A sad story, but also with some hope. Good acting.

@Wolff Oh that means it has very good emotional story. And meaningful too. I'll watch it because I like sad movies.

@curious Looking at a site for a New York art gallery, it seems to be the same there.

@Vikas Then you will probably like it.

@Wolff un manufacturing tolerance is not taken out of the scientific notation so wont matter

@Wolff Of course I'll like it :P

@Wolff width height makes sense if you think that in mathematics the axes x and y the y is up down and x is sideways

@joojaa Exactly, but try explaining that to an art gallery. They can't switch now since it would confuse the visitors/buyers and make their catalogue inconsistent with earlier ones.

Thats the funny thing about standards @Wolff

@joojaa It's also OK with a little diversity and chaos in the world.

@joojaa It can be hard to predict the shortcomings of any system or standard. Perhaps it's safer for the world to have a patchwork of competing standards. If one fails we have the others to fall back on.

@Wolff oh i didnt say it wasnt good. Just pointed out that standard breaking happens all the time

@joojaa Yes, but sometimes you are so fond of the standard you are following that it almost hurts when you have to follow one you are not used to.

@Wolff ofcourse thats what standards are for. Subjecting others to ridicule and force ones viewpoint on others.... Wait somethings wrong here.. oh religion newer mind.