@joojaa o/

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@JohnB lolwut?

current mood :)

how's it going

I'm good

trying to get back into gear after my holiday :)

how's about you, besides being 'shrug-male' :P

@Vincent Lmao

Emoji problems on PC

huh? Are you Apple fanboys making fun of me now?

I am the farthest thing from an Apple fan boy

I see it like that as well.

evolve, you bunch of cavemen!

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semi-related, I have put the task of getting a new PC for home on my list of things to do

are video card prices reasonable yet? How's bitcoin doin :P

I grew up on DOS. No way am I ever going to feel comfortable using that Macintosh stuff. To each their own

I use Windows and macOS about equally time-wise, I just like technology :)

I've been doing lot's of designing in PowerPoint through a Windows VM lately at work, what a dream that is

@joojaa I agree and at the same time I'm not sure. We teach HTML, CSS, jQuery as part of our program and it seems like some students branch into front-end but at the same time because the students know they're going to have to code the thing, the design often suffers (i.e. it's really simplified and looks like the 90s) so the ability to code is an asset in the resume but their web design projects in their portfolio don't quite cut it

I feel like it was really an asset back in the 1990s-2000s to be able to code as a graphic designer (i.e. to get your first jobs) but nowadays I think a global understanding of how code works would probably be fine. Most studios even small ones seem to have front-end developers nowadays

@Vincent DOS person here as well, regardless of a huge majority of my colleagues being mac fan boys/gals

it's always funny to show up at meetings being the only person with a black Lenovo laptop ^_^

especially that my keyboard has a red blacklight, I totally look to represent the dark side lol

@Emilie especially ironic since the Apple fanboys see themselves as the non-conformists

I think that would be changing nowadays but can't be sure!

tbh, the hardcore Apple fanboys are a dying breed

My institution asked us to justify our need for MacIntosh computers in the classrooms a few months ago. OMG I wish I could have filmed this. Almost every person in my department looked like we had just announced we would cut off both of their arms

@Emilie because of the cost?

well, people tend to panic when (they think) change's about to happen

@Vincent Yup! We must have about a 100 machines

@PieBie 'Think different'

x)

There is the issue that a lot of agencies are still using Macs so the students need to know their way around the OS a bit

but I was really dreaming of saving a whole bunch of dough and putting that towards fonts or just other better equipment

I get the impression that although Windows machines are cheaper to buy, they also have a shorter life

but that may be because I'm basing this on my personal experience with them.

@Vincent hmm, in my experience it's the other way around. Our dev team usually uses their Windows machines around 5-6 years, while the MacBook designers need a new one every two-three years

@Vincent I think that might have been true in the past but I don't feel that way nowadays so much. Maybe they have a shorter life because they're more affordable so you tend to switch quicker :)

I guess it depends on the brand too

I used to hate the Lenovo look but they got better and I was seriously impressed when I dropped this laptop a few feet to the ground

it didn't even scratch

there might have been a dent in the floor though :D

well, us developers tend to make our own builds, so we don't really do 'brand' as such

and we do indeed tend to switch components rather than buy a whole new thing

@Emilie I find that designers often underestimate what the web can do, and therefore design conservatively and keep to existing structures (hence the bootstrappifying of the web). A few of the best sites on the web are designed by frontend developers in my experience

@PieBie I agree, it's worse with students because they're not confident with the code yet and take forever to get things done so aiming too high often means the whole thing might fall apart vs. handing in something simple but at least there is something to hand in!

We've been having discussions with regards to the "bootstrappified" web in terms of, do we try to push the envelope with the students and unbootstrappify their projects or do we just go with the mainstream and let the ones who want to push later get to it on their own terms

It would be easier if we had optional courses, then students could pick according to their interests but we don't get to offer that

@Emilie @PieBie It is by no means impossible that my views are dated ;)

We have a monkey as a mod

@WELZ Should I change my avatar? ;-)

It's not you, it's someone else

@WELZ Ok phew ;)

Still unpingable tho :/

I could see all the mods changing their avatars to monkeys on April fools

HTML, CSS, jQuery is not really programming its clobbering

@joojaa I figured you'd say that ;)

I almost corrected it after I typed but I figured you'd do it haha

yeah i can read that between the lines

just making myself clear

we are entering a age of continious development

in that age people are suspposed to be able to automate their day to day tasks so that they can concentrate on the actual work

We already got the Turing Tumble game for toddler, it's going to be stored somewhere until she turns 8 lol

lol

i suggest roborally to every gd student

and I really wanted to get her Cubelets (for me, too!) but they're soo expensive

preferably in a 2 promille stupor

@Vincent in this day and age, that is impossible for no one

@joojaa it's a fine distinction between development and programming, and I cross that line on an almost daily basis

@PieBie yes but i dont advocate non CS or software engineering students to learn programming as we nrmally think of them

Its a an asset sure but...

I love what programming allows to do but I don't think I intend of branching into it anytime soon, the man of the house already does that and I think it would become hectic if the two of us did

"Let me just fix that bug, I'll be right back" ....riiiiiiight :D

All of us need to be able to build expert systems, buidling them means being able to convey your explanation in a language that can be implemented

sry guys, going into a meeting, see y'll later

@PieBie meetings at 4.50 pm are never fun. g'luck.

For example my friend just prigrammed a system to help pre diagnose pregnant women coming into parental care

pre diagnose what kind of stuff?

So they had 2 medical doctors, and a nurse (a doctor, even worse a nurse is as far away form technical matters that you can think of) t write the logic. In human readable form

and then my friend wrote that code

I would be worried if it was for potential emergencies though, I think there are a lot of intuitive processes going on for nurses especially in ER

Is a stupid code since a) peolpe can weigh 66.5 and that go to intensive care for a default action is really really bad idea

but you need to know stuff like that

Not how to write code

just how to prepare logic for conversion INTO code

But really you need to understand code so you can have an idea what you can easily ask for, what you can ask for with a lot of work and what is beyond capability

@Emilie anyway i have a better, short, explanation to your color question

@joojaa The Pantone one? Go for it :)

In essence Pantone does not define colors!

It defines Pigments

no it's a mix of inks

recipes

those inks have pigments in them

but ok

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That does not define what it looks like when put on substrate

what you really want to do is choose the color the user sees

otherwise its no use spending hours on choosing the exact shade of color

good luck with the colorblind B)

@joojaa Agreed

So you want to define the color that it will end up as

Related: youtube.com/watch?v=Fypi6dAJB8E

Not some intermediate stage

Unfortunately....

To do this you need to understand what color really is, which is a really messy bit of science

But for gods sake when you guys do design guides does it really kill to say that all CMYK values are in FOGRA 'xyz and rgb values are assumed to be sRGB

I think I'm going to design my next style guide by providing wavelengths specs ;)

that unfortunately does not work

I know I'm joking :P

becasue a wavelength is cont a color

it is just one metamer of a color

Anyway i think the OP of the designer improvemnt question is thinking a bit wrong

"if we leave his education unattended he will put strong efforts on experimenting with variations to its techniques and learning even more different abilities,"

Well i can safely tell he hasnt seen the through

if somebody has a wildly wide skillset like I do.

Its not because people havent been trying to make you focus.

quite literally everybody they have encountered has done this

so the fact that he has a wild experimentation is because he will do that regardless of you trying to focus them

So you need to build thir skill with that in mind not aginst it

I agree, I'm sort of like that. Last agency I worked at I asked to be freed up at least 20% of the time to build skills. Sometimes they'd outline some skills they'd prefer but I had some leeway to pick for myself more specifically

We do a lot of typographic spaces in French (thin spaces with certain punctuation) so one time I just scripted a bunch of GREP to do whole documents instead of doing it by hand

that was a very good investment of time!

I hadn't noticed the OP had bolded that part, I was reading while editing little mistakes here and there hmm

that is a bit scary

@Vincent we survived! :D

@Emilie Restricted in my country :P

"John Maeda & Kat Holmes on Designing for Inclusiveness," on Own Your Content.