The Ink Spot

JohnB

00:13

@Ryan the bizarre (now deleted) answer that was posted on your question

> way over my skill level buddy . NOW YOU HAVE A MINIUM THAT I MUST SAY . YOUR A DARLING

Scott

08:52

Well John I do hear he IS a darling.

joojaa

11:55

wee im a firetruck.... uuu aaa uaa aaa

Zach Saucier

12:54

@joojaa ?

Ryan

think thats his way of signifying he's exhausted from exams

Benteh

arrg exams

working on stuff in a course called qualitative research methods

hating it

Matt

13:07

happy friday

Zach Saucier

\o/

My only work for today was cancelled! So now I only have to do homework and projects

Benteh

13:22

...i slept in...for four hours... hardly any point going in to uni... :S

i am really good at sleeping

Zach Saucier

I wish I was sometimes

Benteh

i am terrible at falling asleep - nightowl - but when i am sleeping.. well, two alarms have no effect

oh, well.. coffee in the sun

Zach Saucier

one of my roommates uses ~10 alarms each day, sometimes to no avail

thank goodness I am in a different part of the house, I'd hit him daily if he were in my room

Benteh

haha nice

Vincent

hey all, happy Friday :D

Benteh

13:33

hi @Rsiel do not think i have seen you here before? (though i have been inactive for a long while)

hey vincent

Rsiel

I'm curious, but I don't usually have time to participate. - lurker ;)

Benteh

:) lurkers also welcome

@Vincent did you see the link i shared here last night?

Vincent

saw, bt haven't read yet

Zach Saucier

4 days left in the election!

Benteh

basically; do not charge per hour - relate it to client expenditure

Rsiel

13:37

can the votes be seen beforehand? ... seems like a long time to wait to determine a winner.

Benteh

no, i do not think so

afterwards, you can see the calculations

Zach Saucier

SE has pretty dang good SEO

Benteh

indeed

it is quite impressive

@Rsiel ..which makes sense, really - seeing the tally might influence voting

Vincent

:2102197 will have to read

Benteh

@Vincent in short: if your client have 50 employees, paid xxx pr hour, take the pr. hour and multiply by 50: your work will cost the equal of one hour per employee - that might be a language they understand

paid per hour does rarely make sense for creative work

Vincent

13:45

I still don't follow, but I guess that's cos' i'm doing three things at once atm. :) You say that for a client with 50 employees, each paid €20 per hour, I should ask €1000 per hour!?

Benteh

no

:D in sum

i mean, you could of course say more: you give a total cost

Vincent

ah, it's just a tool to relate it to their labour costs?

Benteh

yes

Vincent

hm, interesting

Benteh

to say i will spend xx hours, at xx cost: relate it to their expenditure

your calculation behind the scene might be vaguely related to hourly rate - of course

but you need to say "you spend xxx wages pr. employee, i ask the equivalent of two hours of each of them"

makes absolute sense to me

Vincent

13:50

making your cost way more relatable

Benteh

since creative work is sometimes that lightbulb moment in the shower, OR a hard, steady grind

yes - and you cannot really tell when you start, if it is going to be one or the other

clients might balk at "i will spend 100 hours, at xxx $ per hour" - as many sees design as a sticking colours on shapes

....so your client comes driving up in a shiny new car.... have the latest in hardware... and he balks at the hourly extimates

Vincent

hm. sounds familiar. I just had a good talk with a cardiologist client, who was frustrated at my costs. I had to try hard not to ask her wat her hourly rate is

Benteh

...that was the basic idea

exactly

but that discussion might often end up being an argument "my work is more highly trained, life-saving"

"all you do is push pixels around"

so the bottom line; do your research as to the general expenditure of the client, and your work will end up being a % of that

Vincent

nice tactic

Benteh

it is - but it needs to be above-table from the start of course

so when you meet with the engineering field company, you must beforehand know average wages, costs of materials etc

one example they used was for a large fashion company, and they agreed for this campaign, it will cost the equivalent of one full-colour, full-page ad in Vogue: something like 250.000 USD

Vincent

13:59

sounds like a lot of work just to figure out wat your customer's price 'world' is

Benteh

heheh

i imagine it would be pretty straightforward to find average wages for xxx fields

gburning

@Benteh Sorry for hijacking your conversation but it sounds really interesting. What's the link you mentioned?

Benteh

ah, give me a sec, @gburning

gburning

@Benteh np

Benteh

aiga.org/the-case-against-paying-designers-by-the-hour

gburning

14:00

@Benteh Great! THanks

Benteh

at least in this country, we have good statistics for wages in various fields

perhaps in the US people are more forthcoming with what they spend, but it should be doable other places too

"Our fee was equivalent to what he was paying the plumbing contractor."

Ryan

10

Q: What methods can I use to create balance and consistency between a group of differing logos?

A regular challenge that I face is balancing two (or more) logos. Whether they need to be equal or one needs to be given priority. Some logos however might be squares, others rectangles, circles, etc... As a quick sample I snagged a nice high resolution photo from Unsplash and pretend its going...

10 upvotes, 3 close votes haha

Benteh

:D

Zach Saucier

I can downvote if you want :P

Vincent

I love it. I understand the close votes, but I think it's a good question. The answer imho is in the middle between science and gut

cockypup

14:30

morning, folks

Zach Saucier

Hey, Cocky

Benteh

hey, @cockypup

aarrggg - it is a sick, sick world: edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/14/china.animal.keyring

cockypup

@Benteh that is crazy : (

Zach Saucier

not that that's good, but there are much worse things going on in the world

Benteh

it is one really sick, deliberate one that can be decided on a personal level

Zach Saucier

14:34

there are still much worse ones IMO

abortion being one of them

Benteh

ah; we are not going to go there

cockypup

well, I would buy them all and free them, the animals I mean

Benteh

awww @cockypup

Zach Saucier

@cockypup and make them keep doing it?

they'd just get more animals

gburning

does one horrible thing negate another being horrible?

cockypup

14:35

@ZachSaucier good point : (

Benteh

"good luck charm" - christ

@gburning no it does not

grading the evil in the world on a scale would be ...well...

gburning

yeah, i don't think that's the way to go

Benteh

"good luck charm" .... right. superstition gone mad

cockypup

it would actually make me fill I am carrying bad luck around

gburning

what's the current stance on font identification questions?

Benteh

14:39

i would feel sick every step

on the other hand, i heard a hilarious suggestion, to flood the Chinese markets with free Viagra, to stop rhino hunting: i find that hilarious, as someone would be in for a shock as viagra apparently work - as opposed to rhino horn or tiger bits or whatever.

@gburning urrg

MUST show effort

the way i do it; if it is a new-new user, i give them a little time to show effort, edit question, follow font-ID guidelines.

if they do not, close with no further ado

cockypup

@gburning there is a meta with the guidelines, I think, and was recently edited to include an example of a good font question

Benteh

if not-so-new users, i vote to close pretty much immediately

Zach Saucier

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A: What are the requirements for font identification questions?

In order to promote high quality font identification questions, we ask that you follow a specific format. If your question has been placed on hold, please edit it to meet the following criteria: DO: Detail what you've attempted already to try and identify your font There are a few resources ou...

cockypup

I answered an Adobe Help Desk question today : ( I am a bad person

gburning

Makes sense!

Benteh

14:41

@cockypup hahaha

Zach Saucier

all these similar icons make it hard for me to glance and see who's talking

even with my custom person message coloring xD

gburning

@ZachSaucier Thanks!

Zach Saucier

np

cockypup

what colour am I?

gee, I sounded like one of those quizzes, "what Disney princess are you"?

gburning

Haha

Beige for boring?

cockypup

14:45

beige is a good colour for a pup haha

Zach Saucier

@cockypup rgb(16,94,106)

it's auto generated

Benteh

lol

cockypup

@ZachSaucier teal : (( worse than beige

gburning

Oh, I thought you meant the avatar backgrounds

Zach Saucier

@cockypup lol, I like teal. Not that dark of teal, but I still like teal

cockypup

14:48

@gburning * shock * you meant my avatar is boring? no love for a dog

Zach Saucier

I went on another date with the girl I used my date app initially with

it was a lot of fun

cockypup

cool! where did you go?

gburning

@cockypup :(

@cockypup Baby, your avatar is perfect. Never change.

cockypup

@gburning and it is "mushroom" colour, not beige. lol

gburning

@cockypup If you say so.

cockypup

14:51

actually, it is a very boring 4 o'clock in the morning sick of this gray-beige

Benteh

:D

i probably have the most boring colour choice

cockypup

white? well... based on a recent question you have no colour at all

haha

Benteh

ah - true!

very "designerly" though clearly a non-choice

gburning

Just to be clear, I like it. The "boring" comment was in reference to your comment about disney princesses and saying that something is beige usually means it's a bit boring. At least around here.

Sorry, just channelling my inner Canadian as not to offend anyone.

cockypup

@gburning hey, I am just joking : ) I am Canadian too so we can go at the apologizing game no forever.

Benteh

14:55

do not think we are that easily offended

...brits will beat you at that game :D

cockypup

well, not unless you criticize my illustrations of snowmen. there I draw the line and eat you alive lol

Ryan

IMPOSTERS ABOUND!

gburning

Well, while I have a lot in common with you fine people (mainly moose and ice hockey) I am not Canadian

snap

Benteh

cockypup

@Benteh HAHA!

Benteh

14:57

@gburning du gamla du fria?

gburning

Keep it civil, @Benteh

Benteh

:D

gburning

Du fjällhöga nord indeed

Benteh

awww

Ryan

@gburning hi

gburning

14:57

God save the queen I guess

Benteh

HAHAHA

gburning

@Ryan What up?

Ryan

@gburning Not much, got to kill an hour and an afternoon. It's being feisty though; might have to take it out back with the shotgun.

cockypup

@gburning Oh I know you are not Canadian, you called me boring * laughs secretly *

gburning

@Ryan Dern afternoons, always sluggish.

You mericans and your gun laws though

Ryan

15:00

@gburning its 11am here

gburning

@cockypup True. I prefer the Swedish way of being passive agressive and then apologizing profusely when danger approaches

@Ryan So, it's yet to be killed?

Benteh

i lived in ireland and uk for a few years, acquired the
"would you like some tea?"
"oh, no thanks"
"oh go on"
"well, i think not"
"it will be no trouble"
"thank you very much but i am ok"
"ooohh, gooo ooon"
"ach, ok, maybe a little drop if you are going to make it anyway"

cockypup

hahaha! that is amazing! you can have so much conversation about nothing

Ryan

@gburning unfortunately. Just 1 more hour then lunch then shipping then home

Benteh

@cockypup it goes on and on and on and on and on; it is imperative that it is all the way filled with apologies on both sides

gburning

15:03

@Ryan Sounds nice. Free time. Has a nice ring to it. Will have to put it on my "to do after graduation" list

Benteh

hehe - students either have no time off, or time off all the time

gburning

@Benteh Precisely. But as we're doing our graduation project now I'm leaning more towards the former.

Benteh

:D familiar

we call it DRUB (Døgnet Rundt Uten Betaling)

cockypup

I am from Cuba, so it goes like this back home.
A: would you like some tea?
B: no thanks, I am fine.
A: But I made it already, have some.
B: Nah, I think I will pass
A: And why is that?
B: I don't feel like having tea...
A: Oh, I see, my f**ng tea is not good for you.
B: No, actually I don't like tea at all!
A: Then why the hell have you being drinking my tea all this time?
B: Because you are so freaking pushy, that is why.
A: Well, you can say goodbye to tea for the rest of your live, I will NEVER brew tea for you, not even if you are dying on a hospital and begging for it like a dog

gburning

Haha

So you're danish then?

Benteh

15:08

LOL

@gburning norwegian

cockypup

that was the Cuban version

Benteh

"i certainly do NOT want your shitty coffee, it is worse than your godawful tea!"

cockypup

hahahaha

gburning

@Benteh Oops. Well, I had a 50/50 chance

cockypup

yup, goes on an on too

Benteh

15:09

@gburning no worries

Vincent

sometimes, I am glad to be Dutch. Blunt and simple.

gburning

Haha

Benteh

hahaha

gburning

I think I want to move to Cuba now

Benteh

we do a similar passive agressive as gburning explained...

gburning

15:10

Where in Norway are you from?

Benteh

..so it was a shock for me coming back from ireland & uk, and getting:
- do you want some coffee?
- no thanks, i am fine
(end of conversation, not getting any coffee, have to watch the other person drink delishious stuff)

just outside oslo

cockypup

haha

gburning

Haha

Cool

cockypup

I had a friend in University that actually integrated the Cuban way of interacting on an application. It was hilarious, because she did not mean it as a joke haha

Benteh

the _polite way_ would be, if you want coffee:
- would you like some coffee?
- aaaeeeeammmeehhh ...maybe a little

cockypup

15:13

she went through pains to count the times an application asked the user the same thing

the third time, the application answered something like "we have asked you this three times, so now we will never ask for it again"

and that is it

there was no go back

gone, hated forever

Benteh

impolite:
- would you like some coffee?
- sure! great!
(perhaps why we find americans in partics blunt and impolite)

@cockypup hahahaha class

would love to do that

cockypup

haha. amazing. I think here in Canada we are not that polite then... unless I never noticed

it is amazing how little things are perceived as polite/rude in different cultures

elevator ethics was a big one for me when I came from Cuba to Canada

Benteh

the brits find us rude, but not as rude as germans, and they seem to have a soft spot for dutch, @Vincent

Vincent

yeaj, I kind of noticed

Benteh

@cockypup hahaha, class

Vincent

15:17

Brits would be very easy to make friends with if there weren't so roundabout

Benteh

the brits forgive you a lot of bluntness, for having delightful accents and being in general a very cool country

Vincent

Dutch-accented English is... horrible

Benteh

@Vincent i find it enjoyable; but i think i play that game pretty well

cockypup

I used to live on the last floor of a building here in Canada. In the morning I used to say "good morning!" to everyone that entered the elevator. I learned very quickly that it was inappropriate. By the last floor I was the only freak saying "good morning!" in an elevator full of grumpy people.

Benteh

they find it endearing

@cockypup hahaha! i can imagine

@Vincent perhaps not as bad as danish-english

Vincent

15:19

hehe -- people here are amazed when you greet them on the streets

Benteh

people do that to some extent in ireland and australia

which can be hilarious

cockypup

@Vincent ha! yes, that was the next one. saying hi inside the building was fine. saying hi at the grocery store, sure. saying hi on the street, outrageous!

Benteh

class!

Vincent

fun thing is, I now have my office in a village, and people are way more used to being greeted here

Benteh

...and busses? NOOO greeting!

@Vincent makes sense

Matt

15:21

would it just be that its Friday fun day but the 5 guy brigade change their names and avatars to match the Village People for a month..

Benteh

mastering the art of "just right" social interaction in UK and ireland can be hard work

@Matt HAH - who is the five-guy brigade?

Vincent

^^

Matt

well I was going to ask.. Vincent, Ryan, John, Zach and I.... mostly the ones here almost all day =P

Benteh

:D

...and guys

Matt

just for some site humor for a month

Vincent

15:23

not during elections, @Matt :)

Benteh

splendid idea, and show some humorous support of gay guys

Matt

oh no of course not..

cockypup

Ha! Vincent, see, there is no way of escaping the Village People

Matt

lol

Vincent

I strangely don't mind

joojaa

15:24

uuu aaa... it was a quote from simpsons @ZachSaucier

Matt

I call INDIAN!

Benteh

but when you change your name, and people @ -you, it will not change when you change your name?

cockypup

@Matt I saw that one coming, would look great on your avatar!

Matt

ya temporarily I believe

Benteh

:D

cockypup

15:24

@Vincent you might get your card back

Matt

its either that or this weekend Im going to change my name to Darth_Vader with an avatar that has vader and the background of said avatar matches the pink from our site logo

gburning

You know you're procrastinating when you're cleaning dust from your computer mouse with a pencil instead of working

Zach Saucier

@Matt I'll do it

Vincent

@cockypup hehe

joojaa

finlad är platt ergo inte i skadinavien

bye

gburning

15:25

@joojaa va?

Matt

@ZachSaucier so thats three, two remaining.. @JohnB and @Ryan are you in?

Zach Saucier

we should have a question we can all answer well too :P

Matt

Im going to make a meta post... BOOM

Zach Saucier

get it featured so all of SE sees it

gburning

Psh, mod abuse

Matt

15:27

@gburning zapps...

cockypup

@ZachSaucier such as "is there a good place for a young man to go?"

Zach Saucier

lol

one person asks it, the others each provide a letter

Matt

@vincent @ZachSaucier who are you going to be

cockypup

ha!

gburning

Brilliant

Vincent

15:28

@Matt sigh I'll call cowboy

Zach Saucier

what are our options? I ask because I see 6

Matt

@ZachSaucier O_O

zach the construction worker

lol

cockypup

Zach Saucier

lol

gburning

Meeee-wow

cockypup

15:30

the "clone"

as in "leather jacket, cheesy porn star moustache and cop glasses"

isn't he one of them?

Matt

so zach you in?

Zach Saucier

'course

I'm good with the construction worker

Matt

meta up

Zach Saucier

the main singer looks so much like my friend

cockypup

true!

Zach Saucier

15:35

but aren't there 6, not 5?

Matt

oh... scott could be the sea dude, lol

I always thought there were five

Vincent

there is six, yes

Village People

Village People is an American disco group that formed in 1977, well known for their on-stage costumes depicting American masculine cultural stereotypes as well as their catchy tunes and suggestive lyrics. Originally created by Jacques Morali and Henri Belolo to target disco's gay audience by featuring popular gay fantasy personae, the band quickly became popular and moved into the mainstream. The group scored a number of disco and dance hits, including "Macho Man", "Go West", the classic club medley of "San Francisco (You've Got Me) / In Hollywood", "In the Navy", and their greatest hit, "Y.M.C...

cockypup

me too! I was suprised

Vincent

originally, even 7

Victor Willis (Cop)
Felipe Rose (Native American)
Alex Briley (GI)
Lee Mouton (Leather man)
Mark Mussler (Construction worker)
David Forrest (Cowboy)
Peter Whitehead (nondescript)

cockypup

ha! nondescript

Zach Saucier

15:36

found my pic, lol

this may or may not be what my roommates and I will dress up for at halloween this year, haha

Stack Exchange

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Q: Just a little site fun with some regulars

After elections I wanted a way for some of the regulars to have some site fun so I was curious to know if 6 guys would like to team up and we could change our names and avatars to match the Village People for a month. So far: Matt - Indian Vincent - Cowboy Zach - construction Positions V...

discussion

Zach Saucier

@Vincent "leather man" lol

Vincent

go go stereotypes :)

cockypup

I think nondescript is quite a good stereotype to adopt

"look at that guy, totally dressed as a nondescript"

"I know, all nondescripts dress the same, so easy to identify them"

on a different topic, question:

Vincent

15:56

lol

'nondescripts should't be allowed to marry!' :P

cockypup

@Vincent Or adopt children, because they try to turn them into nondescripts

question: I was trying to vote for this question (graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/50986/…) to be migrated to stackoverflow

but when I go through the whole process (close->of topic because->belong to another site)

it only lets me select the meta site, not stack overflow

Zach Saucier

ya, it doesn't have any specifics (I'd like for one to SO be added)

Jasper Loy

@ZachSaucier Hi Zach.

Zach Saucier

@cockypup Just use a custom close reason:

Ryan

@JasperLoy hi

Zach Saucier

15:59

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this question belongs on StackOverflow — Zach Saucier 34 secs ago

@JasperLoy Hey

Jasper Loy

@Ryan It seems everyone is a room owner here, lol.

Zach Saucier

only as of recent :P

Feeds

Ryan has added Jasper Loy to the list of this room's owners.

Zach Saucier

lol

Ryan

Congrats!

Vincent

15:59

Yisela went on a spree

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