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1:34 PM
@robjohn hello sir, I am a big admirer of your answers
sir, if it's okay with you, can you please explain how the intermediate value theorem justifies your argument?
i.e tanx=x^2+1 guarantees continuity at that point?
 
2:03 PM
what post are you looking at ?
oh, I see
If you look at the function $\tan(x)-x^2-1$ at the ends of each if those intervals, it is negative at the left and positive at the right
So it has to be $0$ somewhere in between
@satan29: we are using that the function is continuous on those intervals.
 
2:30 PM
I am off to walk that dogs. BBL
o/
 
 
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5:54 PM
@robjohn i get that, but how does that relate to continuity of the function in question
oh I see, you were using the IMVT to just justify that tan x = x^2+1 at 4 points
i thought you used the IMVT to justify that that tanx=x^2+1 implies that the original(i.e the piecewise one) function is continuos
 
Yes. I had to find the original question to see what this was all about.
we are looking for where $x^2+1$ for $x\in\mathbb{Q}$ and $\tan(x)$ for $x\not\in\mathbb{Q}$ is continuous
 
yes
 
Sorry, it took me a while to find the PDF that had the question
 
no worries sir, I am grateful that you are taking out the time to address this
@robjohn yes.
i really struggle with the idea of "approach" when functions are defined like this @robjohn
 
@satan29 Yeah. In this case, we just care about when the two functions coincide
 
6:08 PM
but sir how does that guarantee continuity?
 
since both $x^2+1$ and $\tan(x)$ are continuous, at those points where $x^2+1=\tan(x)$, the limit of $f$ exists.
and the value of $f$ equals that limit
 
a function is continuos at x=x0 if lim(h-->0+)f(x0+h)=lim(h-->0-)f(x0+h)=f(x0)
 
yes
 
sir can we prove your conjecture using this definition?
 
yes. since $x^2+1$ is continuous and $\tan(x)$ are continuous, the limit statement holds for them.
 
6:13 PM
ohhh hmmm
 
Thus, at those points where $x^2+1=\tan(x)$, the limits are equal and thus, $f$ also satisfies the limit requirements for continuity
whether your points are in $\mathbb{Q}$ or not
 
@robjohn sir can i plot this function in wolfram alpha?
 
I am not sure, since it is different on $\mathbb{Q}$ and off
 
yeah..
 
You can plot the two functions and know that on $\mathbb{Q}$ it is one and off it is the other
 
6:15 PM
any software that can help me plot this that you know of?
 
@satan29 the problem is that $\mathbb{Q}$ is dense in $\mathbb{R}$, so no plotting software will be able to separate the points.
 
hmm
 
That is about as close as you'll get
yellow when $x\in\mathbb{Q}$, blue otherwise
but no matter, as the function approaches any of the points where the continuous curves cross, the function that flips between the two, depending on $x\in\mathbb{Q}$, is continuous
Because both continuous curves tend to the same value at those points.
 
yes, that makes sense
thank you so much @robjohn
 
you're welcome
It's good to see someone trying to understand rather than just trying to get answers.
 
6:28 PM
:-)
it's really satisfying when it all kinda clicks
 
6:54 PM
o/
 

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