Root Access

Bob

12:59 AM

hm

Circus Cat

1:15 AM

Uhoh lube containment failure

I think my keyboard needs a wash

I swear this is the LAST time.

Journeyman Geek

sigh zat is what you always say.

Aaron Hall

1:51 AM

I'm teaching someone how to build and install their own emacs... pats self on back

Journeyman Geek

for a moment I read that as "write" for some reason.

Also... why? ;p

(they need specific features not in the stock build?)

Aaron Hall

@JourneymanGeek why not? jealous? :P

I can teach you too! :)

Journeyman Geek

No, I mean, packages are more maintainable

I can build my own stuff

Aaron Hall

If you want to be an open-source contributor you have to be able to build the stuff you're working on.

Journeyman Geek

Ya, that's fine

but that comes under "(they need specific features not in the stock build?)

Aaron Hall

1:54 AM

I think that by encouraging everyone to use the packages we're denying the long-term creation of contributors and maintainers.

Circus Cat

@JourneymanGeek Lies, I've never made that claim before

Journeyman Geek

I've quite literally had enough of ... this lube buisiness.

Circus Cat

Who the heck starred this

2

10 hours ago, by Circus Cat

Journeyman Geek

Someone unfamiliar with RA history?

Circus Cat

-_-

Michael Frank

2:00 AM

Is emacs even worth it at this point? I've been watching Handmade Hero, and while Casey uses it, it seems like something that would have been useful to learn when it first entered the scene.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek says the guy who used pip instead of the package for matrix :P

Journeyman Geek

pip is a package manager

Michael Frank

Wait... I used pip >.>

Journeyman Geek

and I had a few other reasons

I do admit that it uses a virtualenv and there's no good way to start it automatically is annoying

Bob

@JourneymanGeek it's about as close as you can come to an install from source

I mean, it's quite literally under the "Installing from source" heading

and the steps include installing and compiling libraries

Circus Cat

2:04 AM

@Bob Do you actually use BTRFS?

Bob

@CircusCat ...no?

Circus Cat

@Bob OK

Bob

I think I dabbled with it on opensuse but that would've been 5 years ago

it's probably a lot better now but all I remember is it being horribly slow :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob also. experimental, fast moving software ;p

I ran it on fedora for a bit.

Bob

and the bug reports/kernel panics/etc. over the last couple years are a bit scary

@JourneymanGeek matrix or btrfs?

Journeyman Geek

2:05 AM

stopped after it randomly died after a kernel update

btrfs

matrix is experimentalish and pretty regularly updated

unlike emacs

Bob

> it randomly died after a kernel update

btrfs in a nutshell

in fact

> it randomly died

is a good enough summary

Circus Cat

But OpenSUSE adopted it as their default FS!

While RedHat dropped development of it or something

Bob

@JourneymanGeek eh, it has nice stable packages :P

Aaron Hall

Emacs

Emacs is a family of text editors that are characterized by their extensibility. The manual for the most widely used variant, GNU Emacs, describes it as "the extensible, customizable, self-documenting, real-time display editor". Development of the first Emacs began in the mid-1970s, and work on its direct descendant, GNU Emacs, continues actively as of 2018. Emacs has over 10,000 built-in commands (many of which are macros themselves) and its user interface allows the user to combine these commands into macros to automate work. Implementations of Emacs typically feature a dialect of the Li...

Bob

with systemd services!

@CircusCat it's probably a good thing no one uses opensuse :P

*pokes @bwDraco*

so, I rebooted a server but forgot to stop the KVM VMs first

Circus Cat

2:07 AM

@Bob >_<

Bob

now I have to wait like 15 mins for them to timeout

Journeyman Geek

hah

Bob

because apparently part of the shutdown is a 'graceful' stop of the VMs

Journeyman Geek

Was my first proper distro

Bob

but that happens after the SSH connection and server is killed

Circus Cat

2:08 AM

Eh wat

Oh right

So it's still shutting down, not actually rebooted yet

Bob

well, the linux userspace is gone

but part of the kernel shutdown tries to stop the VMs

but a quirk of these VMs is they don't stop on the first shutdown command ... only the second

soooo. I wait.

and maybe KVMoIP in to give it a kick

@JourneymanGeek it was the first one I installed on a physical machine. in hindsight that was a poor choice.

it was on a netbook that was designed for winxp but had win7 on it

Circus Cat

This is sorta why I prefer dedicated hypervisor OS'

Bob

I didn't think anything could be slower than win7 on a first-gen atom

...opensuse proved me wrong

Journeyman Geek

I actually didn't mind it

ended up switching to ubuntu cause they mailed disks ;p

Bob

@CircusCat ya, cept this host also runs LXD containers

> Rest of the Linux

oh thank god

I thought I'd just accidentally zfs destroy -r'd the wrong thing

namely my entire zpool

Circus Cat

2:23 AM

@Bob run them in a VM? :-P

bwDraco

roar

Dragon here.

Circus Cat

I used to take the "hybrid" one box does everything approach... Mostly because I wanted ZFS as my main FS and no standalone hypervisors support it.

But it's so much less of a headache going dedicated...

bwDraco

Unfortunately, I have never actually worked with KVM under an openSUSE host, so I wouldn't really be able to help.

Bob

@CircusCat kinda the entire point of running them on the host was to avoid limitations of a VM

namely, I can directly use a ZFS dataset for containers. I don't have to control memory limits (though I can set quotas if I want). etc.

bwDraco

And I haven't actually used Btrfs myself because it would not be appropriate for the disk sizes I typically work with, and didn't want to deal with the complexity of an unfamiliar FS.

My hosting provider doesn't support it, either.

Bob

2:27 AM

@CircusCat I'm putting all new Linux-y things in containers - the VMs only run Windows at this point

it's great not having to decide ... hmm ... does this service need 500 MB of RAM? or 2 GB? wait my host is now out of RAM

bwDraco

AFAICT the core FS features are stable but advanced operations may not be, and it tends to be slower than ext4. btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Status

Circus Cat

@Bob hmm. That's mostly why I dabbled with kvm on my main fileserver. Not really used containers though.

I guess I'm "old skool" when it comes to virtualisation

Bob

@CircusCat yea the storage was a big one. didn't like having fixed-size disks

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek s/unfamiliar/familiar ?

Circus Cat

@Bob I find storage to be the least of an issue (because network filesystems). Fixed RAM is the biggest annoyance, especially with Xenserver which doesn't have real memory overprovisioning

Also... Phone runs out of battery and turns off. Leaving me in the dark with no way to turn on my lights to find my charger. D'oh.

My light switch has been missing for like, 3 days now. I'm getting worried.

#ProblemsOurParentsNeverHad

Journeyman Geek

3:10 AM

or that

@CircusCat This is why.... drugs bad

Bob

@CircusCat kvm does memory ballooning but automatic ballooning is still not considered ready for production (manual is fine)

@CircusCat yea I'm using fairly limited local SSD storage on some servers so not having to lock away a good chunk of space is nice. and locking away said chunk of space is also inefficient as ext4 on ZFS/ZVOL

user226528

4:12 AM

"How do I get file version information from the command line?" With PowerShell and Get-Command no less!

Michael Frank

4:41 AM

You ever accidentally fix something and then just decide that it's working and you shouldn't dwell too much of the sorcery you seem to have performed?

user226528

Never. If I accidentally fix it, I don't pet myself on the back at all.

Michael Frank

That's not what I meant.

user226528

Hm?

Michael Frank

@FleetCommand So get-command actually works:

PS C:\Users\mf609388\Downloads> (get-command '.\Firefox Installer.exe').FileVersionInfo.Fileversion
18.01

Oh, So I meant that I somehow fixed it, and was just glad that it was fixed and didn't want to look into why it was it fixed.

Domain account lockouts are an ancient art.

user226528

For me, looking into why things work is both a hobby and the job. So, I probably do look into it, especially if it means making more money.

Michael Frank

4:53 AM

Anyway, home time. Have fun internet peoples!

user226528

You too.

That Brazilian Guy

5:13 AM

@MichaelFrank Fun internet people? Oh can I have some of those too?

Bob

7:04 AM

Andy K

@Bob ooooppppsss

what happened?

Morning

Bob

@AndyK floods in Tasmania two weeks ago

user226528

7:23 AM

Just caught unruly employee trying to install a video card without authorization. Had inserted the card into the wrong slot and to make it sit in, was about to apply a hammer!

user226528

It is tickling my whimsy though: I really like to know what would have happened. I wish I knew how to run a simulation to find out.

djsmiley2k

7:52 AM

@FleetCommand huuuu

it'd either not work, or go bang.

what slot?

user226528

PCI Express 16

djsmiley2k

And what kinda card?

user226528

ASUS card based on NVIDIA 1050 Ti

djsmiley2k

Would that not be pcix too tho?

user226528

Oh, you though "wrong slot" means "wrong type of slot"?

user226528

7:55 AM

No.

user226528

The slot was wrong because the corresponding end was not open.

djsmiley2k

oh

Journeyman Geek

Pcie. Pic x is vaguely obscure

djsmiley2k

so either the end of the slot would split, or the card would snap

it's more fun when it's totally different, like isa into a vga slot.

shame

Journeyman Geek

Pci x damned autocucumber

djsmiley2k

7:56 AM

@JourneymanGeek yah, sry

PCIX was weird.

like pci1.5

user226528

@djsmiley2k Neither. Either there will be gouge in the case or the end of the video card snaps. But that's not for brute force.

user226528

With enough force the motherboard cracks and the slot snaps.

djsmiley2k

everything breaks, employee gets fired! \o/

user226528

Or... at least that's how I imagine it.

user226528

No, employee won't get fired.

user226528

7:57 AM

That's for films only.

djsmiley2k

Sadly it's unlikely to end up in fire and flames

for willfully breaking a computer?

user226528

The management here does not ascribe to malice what can be sufficiently explained with sheer stupidity plus being willing to help IT.

user226528

But the price of the damaged component will be deduced from the paycheck.

user226528

And there will be a warning registered in the corresponding human resources file.

Michael Frank

Dragonforce - Through the Fire and Flames [OFFICIAL VIDEO]

►

djsmiley2k

8:00 AM

Jmmmm

seems soft, but fine.

@MichaelFrank indeed

user226528

@djsmiley2k Soft? I dunno. It'll probably cost two month of salary plus benefits. But of course, there was time when I thought two years in prison is soft for TV villains. Turns out it is actually brutal.

user226528

But I imagine the management's tone won't have a single hint of softness.

user226528

Now, going back to thinking what would have happened, this certain box has a soft behind, made of thin coated aluminium but the rest of the box is made of steel with zinc coating and paint. Compared to my more bulky case at home, it is 2 or 3 times heavier.

djsmiley2k

> Attenuation: 62.5 dB

:O

How long is this phone line o_O

user226528

AFK

Burgi

8:14 AM

morning

Bob

so did they just grab the office hammer or what?

also, deducting from pay is vaguely illegal in most countries with decent labour laws

JAN ORTS

8:56 AM

I decided that I want to reduce the amount of friends on my Facebook account from around 800 to around 100 friends. I unfriended something like 100 people and now Facebook blocked me for an unspecific period!
It says:
"You’re Temporarily Blocked
It looks like you were misusing this feature by going too fast. You’ve been blocked from using it."
How long will the blocking last?
Am I now only blocked from unfriending people and can still use Facebook normally, I just cannot unfriend people until the moment when I am not blocked anymore?

DavidPostill

@JANORTS Why are you ranting here? Only FB can answer your question.

JAN ORTS

Maybe somebody has a similar experience... :-)

And, I don't trust Facebook... I don't want to ask them because they can abuse my communication with them in the future...

And, it is probable that they would lie if I asked them...

bertieb

If you trust them that little, closing your account would probably be for the best

JAN ORTS

No

Because Facebook is not bad

Michael Frank

Probably a good question for Webapps!

JAN ORTS

9:05 AM

I can use it and take advantage of the possibilities that it offers me...

bertieb

Okay

JAN ORTS

I pay with my privacy... Facebook can do whatever they want with the data they have about me... I accept that even though I know it can harm me in the future...

@MichaelFrank: You mean this one : webapps.stackexchange.com ?

Michael Frank

Yes

Also, it might be easier to delete your entire account and then just add the 100 friends you want to a new account.

JAN ORTS

Yes, but then I would have to create a new account etc... I am also member of something like 100 groups, so I whould have to apply to those groups etc...

Journeyman Geek

Hi Mr Pringles

JAN ORTS

9:10 AM

It would take many days until I had my FB account back to the state in which I have it now

Hi @JourneymanGeek, I haven't been here for something like 5 years or so... :-)

Burgi

just close the FB account and move on with your life

Ave

9:24 AM

@JANORTS imo, facebook is quite bad

user226528

9:39 AM

@Bob Yeah.

user226528

@Bob Well, I am not a legal expert, but my understanding is that if the management makes a consensual arrangement, it'll be alright. In addition, damaging something and not paying for it is never legal in any jurisdiction.

user226528

And firing is has its own legal hurdles too.

JAN ORTS

10:05 AM

Facebook saved my ass many times... I will never close my account on Facebook! :-)

I would change many things on Facebook and maybe it would even help Facebook make more money...

But, right now I have to accept Facebook as it is... Maybe I can complain to them, that's it...

djsmiley2k

how weird

someone here has a Huawie - P9 Lite, and it can't see any of the cisco's AP SSID's

Bob

>
Item location:
Warehouse, Australia

not sus

JAN ORTS

Maybe I could sue them... I imagine they have a very good team of lawyers though... :-)

Ave

@djsmiley2k I have a p8lite and I can say "never buy huawei (especially budget models)"

Burgi

has anyone ever come across a hosting company called Level 3 before?

RogUE

10:12 AM

@djsmiley2k Have you tried manually entering the SSID and details?

Bob

@Burgi aren't they a tier 1?

Burgi

@Bob no idea

user226528

This looks like spam to me: superuser.com/a/1327126/477799 (Direct advertisement kind.)

Michael Frank

I think Steve Gibson used Level 3... shrug

Definitely spam.

bertieb

For sure, good ~~bot~~ catch

Burgi

10:16 AM

VTC - hardware shopping

djsmiley2k

@RogUE I have not.

@Ave yeah, the guy thinks it's the phone too

so it's not too bad.

But I'd like to help if I can.

user226528

@bertieb Good work on that key discovery answer. +1.

bertieb

@FleetCommand Ah thanks :) Nice to be able to ref IETF docs (even if they're technically drafts) in an answer

user226528

Hm? I assume as along as they are on the web, you can link them, right?

bertieb

10:33 AM

Yup

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi I think they're pretty famous

bertieb

Still a draft tho (and latest version in this case technically expired on 25th but I don't see a superseding version)

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek any good? they are blocking us from connecting to sites hosted on their network

Journeyman Geek

Level 3 Communications

Level 3 Communications was an American multinational telecommunications and Internet service provider company headquartered in Broomfield, Colorado. It ultimately became a part of CenturyLink through a complex reverse-merger process where Jeff Storey sold the company and also became CEO of CenturyLink. Level 3 operated a Tier 1 network. The company provides core transport, IP, voice, video, and content delivery for medium-to-large Internet carriers in North America, Latin America, Europe, and selected cities in Asia. Level 3 was also the largest competitive local exchange carrier (CLEC) and the...

Pretty damned big

@Burgi one of the major backbones

Burgi

big != good

user226528

10:35 AM

@bertieb Yeah. I myself was surprised when I discovered IETF documents don't get peer-reviewed and IETF is mere a host.

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi that I donno

Burgi

grrrr the site i'm haVing issues with is now back up...

djsmiley2k

lol magic?

Journeyman Geek

If you complain on the internet, stuff starts working

djsmiley2k

I thought you just get riddiculed.

Journeyman Geek

10:46 AM

that too

Ave

@djsmiley2k I had countless issues with it.

djsmiley2k

My entire life is a issue..

user226528

I find this situation funny: I am pretty good at computer security, but cannot recommend any good books to the utterly uneducated people, because those that I myself read have been last printed two decades ago.

user226528

And since we have a lot of these people on Super User, that's kind of a problem.

Ave

@djsmiley2k I disagree

user226528

10:58 AM

Clearly, this person is infected:

user226528

0

Q: Windows 10 high CPU usage unless task manager is opened

I am using a desktop gadget indicating 100% CPU usage, which suddenly drops to 10-15% every time I open task manager. If i close it, it spikes back to 100%. Also Command Prompt is not working as expected. When I launch it, it closes by itself within a second. Am I sharing a control over my PC w...

user226528

On Windows 10 no less. I can't help but think that's his/her own fault.

DavidPostill

@FleetCommand They do get reviewed. See IETF | Standards process

bertieb

@FleetCommand Interesting- I hadn't come across the task manager behaviour before

(sry for double ping)

DavidPostill

> In outline, the process of creating an Internet Standard is straightforward: a specification undergoes a period of development and several iterations of review by the Internet community and revision based upon experience, is adopted as a Standard by the appropriate body... and is published.

bertieb

11:02 AM

Hiding signs of infection

user226528

@DavidPostill Have you ever heard salepeople saying "up to 90% off?" 0% off is still "up to 90% off". Now, here is another: "review by the Internet community" means no peer review.

user226528

A good publisher has mandatory reviews by experts before publication.

user226528

Experts who get paid to do their job and have both rights and responsibilities.

user226528

"Internet community" on the other hand, has no responsibility, no time frame for accomplishing reviews and often no expertise whatsoever.

djsmiley2k

@Ave oh you misunderstand

@FleetCommand Something broken with the idle process?

DavidPostill

11:06 AM

@FleetCommand That's what the Working Groups are for.

> Once a document is adopted by a WG there is an iterative process of document refinement and WG review to successively refine the document to reflect the WG’s considerations. The intended purpose of these open peer review cycles is to ensure that the document is peer reviewed, that it reflects a shared understanding of the space, that the specification is neutral and unbiased, that it is useful to the Internet, that it reflects a rough consensus of being of high quality, and that it is a feasible and practical approach to addressing the topic.

The intended purpose of these open peer review cycles is to ensure that the document is peer reviewed,

djsmiley2k

we wouldn't have bgp and many other great things, without these reviews

user226528

@djsmiley2k Something that gets fixed by running Task Manager? I highly doubt so. And when it comes hand in hand with Command Prompt getting killed... well, I'd say it looks more like malware than anything benign.

DavidPostill

The Evolution of an Internet Standard – IETF Journal

@FleetCommand Please don't make outrageous claims without at least trying to back them up.

Or doing some research first.

djsmiley2k

@FleetCommand Maybe, unless they do further testing we'll never know

> Never put down to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity.

user226528

@DavidPostill Says a person who did a simple web search to a person with 10 years of work experience in Wikipedia. If you can't handle a disagreement then don't start the conversation. I wasn't talking to you anyway.

user226528

11:12 AM

As far as I am concerned this conversation is over. I said what I think. Take it or leave it.

user226528

@djsmiley2k This proverb applies to an action that the person does, not to observation of a computer's behavior.

user226528

Duck test is more appropriate here.

user226528

"If it sounds like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck, it is more likely a duck".

user226528

Command Prompt getting killed is ipso facto very suspicious.

user226528

I've recently read about a malware that uses the infected computer's power for mining. It stops working when Task Manager and a number of known AV software start.

user226528

11:19 AM

news.softpedia.com/news/…

Burgi

sometimes it is a rubber banana

DavidPostill

@FleetCommand What's wikipedia got to do with it? Apart from the fact that it is community edited and well known for being a poor primary source.

@FleetCommand Do you have an issue with being criticised for being called out for wrong information?

@FleetCommand That link does not even mention task manager.

@FleetCommand A web search focused on a primary source, the IETF itself. Again that has nothing to do with Wikipedia.

djsmiley2k

11:36 AM

@FleetCommand So, the behaviour is defined by a person, and witnessed by a person

either of them maybe at fault.

@FleetCommand I read about this stuff in 2016, what of it :/

Viruses and Malware that hide are old.

And if you don't want people to question your thinking, don't state it in a chatroom.

6

Burgi

12:31 PM

has he gone off in a huff?

DavidPostill

Looks that way ;)

Burgi

i really struggle to understand the behaviour

shrugs

djsmiley2k

lol

cognitive dissonance.

Burgi

Floating Nukes

Has ubuntu looped round the alphabet with code names now?

Journeyman Geek

12:53 PM

I think so?

back to B - Bionic Beaver

tho, there was never a A the first them - it was Warty, then Breezy

Burgi

yeah it looks like they started mid-way through the alphabet

djsmiley2k

Gonna say, didn't think we'd had 13 years of ubuntu already?

Burgi

it looks like they started properly with D

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek I think there's artsy or whatever

Artful Aardvark

wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

Journeyman Geek

that was the second time around

That Brazilian Guy

1:02 PM

Oh I misunderstood you

Yeah they started on W, then H, then B, then D E F...

!!doge accurate, precise, timestamp

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That Brazilian Guy

LOL! CloudFlare DNS was just hijacked! The 1.1.1.1 ip address is prone to configuration mistakes. It's also plausible deniable to call it a config mistake. https://twitter.com/bgpstream/status/1001420445890043904

Tweeted by UID_ on May 29, 2018 at 12:56 PM

rahuldottech

1:32 PM

Okay, guys

djsmiley2k

1:53 PM

@Blogbot GDPR!

@rahuldottech you accidently cloudflare?

That Brazilian Guy

@djsmiley2k No, some Chinese cloud company allegedly accidentally hijacked CloudFlare

djsmiley2k

/me still glances at @rahuldottech

That Brazilian Guy

Wait, now Rahul's Chinese? Do this kid's shenanigans ever stop?

Ave

@ThatBrazilianGuy that was yesterday apparently

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That Brazilian Guy

1:59 PM

@Ave Rahul was Chinese yesterday? What is he today?

Not Brazilian, I hope; that'd be a terrible choice.

RogUE

@ThatBrazilianGuy It varies from moment to moment....

Hakase

2:18 PM

watup guys

got a q

is there a simple way to see which files got changed when on a windows 2008 server which multiple people access via the same account remotely?

I just wanna know if files were changed from version A to version B at time XX:XX

I've seen a comprehensive guide on domain... group... politics settings and event log but it seems super bulky and overkill, because apparently it audits each and every file in the system?

so something much simpler for just a limited number of folders to watch would be fine

is there a thing for that?

aside from looking at the "modified date" column coz it doesn't show the file version (or hash)

maybe creating a local git repo and adding the watched folders even though they're in different locations all over the system?

we don't have the use rights to restart the system btw so we can't apply any domain settings which require a reboot, which I think filesystem auditing does

user226528

@djsmiley2k Oh, I have no problem with you questioning my thinking. You are respectful and well-informed, never abuse ping, treat me on equal grounds and don't give the impression that discussing with you is futile. Also, I've never seen you use condescending language.

djsmiley2k

well thanks.

Hakase

looks like I've stepped in at the wrong time lol

user226528

@Hakase Oh, hi. Don't mind me. I am leaving.

Ben N

@Hakase Just enabling auditing on the system won't cause events for every single file - you also have to set the SACL

Go to the security editor for the files you want to audit, go to the Auditing tab, and enable the types of accesses you want to log

Hakase

2:27 PM

there may be new files added and deleted between versions because we're testing out new libs, so should I just do it on the containing folder instead?

Ben N

Yep!

Hakase

(also I thought when you delete files their settings are also deleted)

Ben N

The ACLs on the individual files will be, but if you set auditing on the containing folder, new files should be audited too

The deletion should be audited either way

Hakase

ok then I'll tell our guys we could try this

allquixotic

make everyone use Git! :)

Ben N

2:31 PM

That would be good

Hakase

woudln't git add garbage in hidden folders all over the system?

Ben N

I guess that depends on what you're trying to version with it

Hakase

basically we have random people from the company who don't talk to us but also change the files on the test server at random times and we wanna know what to expect and it'd help to know when parts which we are currently testing are changed

we don't wanna start an overwrite war, so the cautious solution is to only change files as needed

That Brazilian Guy

@Hakase !!facepalm

Ben N

It seems like you might want to solve the social problem before implementing technical solutions

Hakase

2:40 PM

it's a management problem, but as usual, this is how we're opting to solve it to avoid adding an extra couple weeks to the delay before testing and production deployment

I'm sure you're familiar with such messes

user226528

Sounds like the solution is a mixture of versioning and use of SACLs.

user226528

Or SharePoint.

ALinuxLover

see you on the o t h e r s i d e

Hakase

I've heard poisonous things about sharepoint so I'd rather not even say it out loud to my team

user226528

Your team sounds like they could use an authoritarian manager.

Circus Cat

2:47 PM

bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-44250472/…

Hakase

the access to that remote server is tightly monitored by idiots, so we can't add user accounts for everyone who wants to use it, so we could log each person's activity like that

the bureaucracy is too strong for us to change that part of the process

basically it's a "make do or else we'll find others who can" situation

security officers don't joke around

Burgi

sharepoint is great for document repositories but for software development, steer well clear

Hakase

yea there's .exes and .dlls mostly

user226528

Well, I am off to playing FFX-2.

djsmiley2k

@Hakase sadness

get into a overwrite war