!!inifo

@Bob That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: info

!!info

@Bob I awoke on Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:43:07 GMT (that's about 2 days ago), got invoked 45 times

You know who you are

450 MB combined across two Firefox processes and 500 MB on one Java (Selenium server) process. Not bad.

@Bob I was thinking "How do you know its UEFI?" ;p

@JourneymanGeek Oh, I'm still pretty sure it was.

UEFI maps audio devices different, apparently.

Just took an OS reinstall to get it to realise.

(thankfully the upgrade preserves almost everything)

@JourneymanGeek Basically all I've done reecntly is 2703 upgrade, switch to UEFI, switch drives. Looking at driver ogs, it actually started fine on OS upgrade day (9th) but started failing a few days later (UEFI). THe drive switch shouldn't affect this.

@Bob two? oh.

wait, Java? did you go back to my driver?

@allquixotic Selenium standalone server, driven by a nodejs script

@Bob ahhhhhhhh

RemoteDriver

that works :P

not sure if the nodejs script can handle ghostdriver directly

and unless you miss that 500MB of RAM, I'll just leave it alone while it works :P

yeah that's why you'd use selenium grid

I have tons of free memory, go for it

I was mostly worried there'd be a leak, but it seems fairly stable over two days.

Which makes sense... I keep my desktop Firefox going for weeks at a time

still need to fix that REPL

don't forget to put your code on Github somewhere; my rsync.net nightly backup is just capturing the site I'm doing quasi-professionally for someone else

@allquixotic the nodejs script is in your SO-ChatBot repo. The launcher scripts aren't on git but I have a backup on B2 if it comes to that... and I can recreate them.

Anyway the launcher scripts are like 90% file paths :P

The config isn't backed up. 'cause passwords.

@rahuldottech was just out biking and on my phone. Had 30% battery when I left the house. And was raining nearly the whole time. Wireless chargers ftw.

So yeah basically every other day it comes in handy!

> house

@CircusCat got a house again?

hm, OVH Canada to C14 (France) uploads at 6MiB/s

this is gonna take a while

...at these speeds I should probably use something better than pigz

pixz? :P

@allquixotic Not my house

Staying on a friend's sofa

@allquixotic yea, that's what I tested last time :P

@Bob I'm thinking of building a Threadripper 1950X based system while reusing a lot of my existing components, and somehow still run a Linux server and make it my gaming box too (I'll certainly have the cores for it!)

@allquixotic compression tests here => chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/118?m=40146105#40146105

that's for the amaterasu dataset

I already have 4x16GB DDR4 sticks; I could buy another 4, get a new chassis, new mobo, new CPU, and run my server off of my home fiber to the premises :P

the gaia dataset doesn't compress nearly as much - I'm at almost 0 additional compression with pigz

@allquixotic could do a VM

yep

@allquixotic hm, how much would that cost?

I'm having ideas of Xen in Ring -1, Linux in Ring 0, and Windows in a VM with direct hw access to the GPU

the one thing you lose is IP addresses. think that was brought up last time

@allquixotic ooooooor you could invert the whole thing and run Hyper-V? :D

ew

lol

it's not that bad these days, apparently

and preserves bare-metal gaming

problem is, Windows has to restart way more often than Linux, because of kernelcare or Ubuntu's kernel patching techniques

I find it to be quite nice

Ah, restarts would be a problem though

I have to restart Windows every time I sneeze

I usually keep it running 1-2 months at a time

@allquixotic if not for the power thing, could throw one of your old PCs in as a server...

my average Windows uptime is about 2 weeks

I do the whole "cheap, reliable, shitty NUC server thing"

I do the whole forget-running-a-server-at-home-cause-adsl thing :P

that's my OVH dedi but much of that is probably memleaked crap I can kill

hah, my download box is in the wrong place. Homeplug's a big big bottleneck

oh

21GB of that is my Windows VM

I ought to swap that and the NAS

34GB of that is a Java process. wtf

@allquixotic probably a good chunk of that is disk cache. discacheception

@allquixotic ...that might be the selenium server

oh yeah I have L1 ZFS cache

ARC

@allquixotic Selenium server is at 34.9GB virt/567MB res

I probably need to set a max...

I'll probably get additional HDDs for the Linux side and use completely separate physical storage for Linux and Windows to avoid filesystemception (ZFS on NTFS or NTFS or ZFS)

@allquixotic IMO NTFS on ZFS is fine

if anything, that's the one reason I'd run kvm rather than hyper-v :P

just for ZFS

according to pcpartpicker it'd be about $2k ($999 of that the CPU) for the top-end Threadripper part, another 64 GB of RAM, a new cooler, and a full ATX mobo that can handle 8 sticks of DDR4 on the AMD X399 platform

that might be the longest uptime I've ever had on my "main dedi" box

but, regular kernel patches keep getting installed regularly, so yeah

And this time it's not even because I'm afraid to reboot it because I accidentally chmod'd the whole root partition

ugh. That dosen't actually sound too bad

@CircusCat so, uh... that's vulnerable to MS17-010?

@CircusCat oh, I meant I keep the Windows desktop running 1-2 months :P

Rather it's a) Can't be bothered and b) The only machine I have the password saved on in order to manage the thing is a VM on the thing itself.

root@gaia:~# uptime
 01:08:52 up 88 days, 12:16,  3 users,  load average: 0.15, 0.35, 0.36

@Bob It's a Xenserver host so no

think I was at ... 445? days before deciding to go debian8 => 9

@CircusCat yea, you replied to a comment about Windows so I thought you were talking about the same OS

The Windows 10 "desktop" though :-P

@Bob if OVH offers another discount for a year on my server for next year, I'll probably toss a grand at it (instead of 2 grand on a much less reliable home connection) and call it done, and never reboot this server until at least after Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is out, and I might even hold off on that for a bit until it stabilizes

@allquixotic actually. question. how does AMD-V compare to VT-x?

@allquixotic how will you deal with the multiple IP issue at home?

@Bob AMD had an equivalent of EPT before Intel... not sure about the current gen perf... it's usually measured in terms of the latency of your typical call into the virtualization instructions

will Verizon sell you more?

At 128 days it might be susceptible to MS17-010? Not sure tbh

It's kinda borderline

But doesn't really matter anyway

@Bob probably get a nearby, much cheaper VPS with a subnet and route it through there or something o.o

not sure if Vzw will sell me any

Nobody can send "specially crafted messages to a Microsoft Server Message Block 1.0 (SMBv1) server" since I have an actual firewall in the way

One of the few times i'm actually grateful for having an actual firewall

@allquixotic ipv6 all the things!

I don't have native IPv6 unfortunately

@allquixotic reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5ulukw/virtualization_with_ryzen

(hm, I wonder if there's any commercial servies that go "pay us, here's a block of ipv4, we'll redirect it to ipv6 addresses for you)

@allquixotic I keep forgetting that.

> Now only if the virtualization was not so lacking it would be great.

forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/…

hm.

And mine's the only ISP that does proper native IPv6 here

*shrug*

you probably have the cores to spare to make up for poor virt :P

@JourneymanGeek that's more or less what you'd do with a VPN to, say, AWS :P

@Bob Huh. I was under the impression most VM performance was already at >90% of bare metal for like ten years now (on both AMD and Intel)

@allquixotic I have native IPv6 and it causes nothing but trouble

@CircusCat you're nothing but trouble.

@JourneymanGeek FU

The one place I have issues is with apt, but apt should but hasn't been fixed by now.

You don't understand what real trouble is

@CircusCat idk, I just remember @allquixotic talking about how ... Ivy Bridge? Haswell? improved virt over Sandy Bridge

@Bob Hmm maybe I should try virtualized ZFS again then

Or not, since that's what broke my last ZFS array

idk what happened on AMD's side

I recall an Intel graph showing unspeakably huge reductions in latency from pre-Core to Core2; another massive jump with Nehalem's EPT; and then a noticeable jump at Sandy, and incremental but significant jumps on Ivy and Haswell

oh

@allquixotic Nehalem was ten years ago

And that was basically when Intel caught up

@Bob much to my surprise.... the jelly + the xiomi pistons passed the indica test.

@JourneymanGeek lol, that was a surprise?

Why did my chmod comment get starred again. It's been years

@Bob actually, it sounds pretty decent.

@CircusCat We never forget. Like Goldfish.

@allquixotic I've set Xmx so next start the Selenium server should be limited to 2GB

@Bob nice

not gonna restart it just yet though, wanna see how long Cavil can stay awake for :P

with a 34GB virt and ~512MB res, it's only taking up 512MB of physical memory, right?

the rest is just virtual address space it's used?

@allquixotic I believe so, yes.

$ free -m
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:         128909        1407      127497        4550           4      127497
Swap:             0           0           0

$ free -hm
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           125G        1.4G        124G        4.4G        4.5M        124G
Swap:            0B          0B          0B

STARZ PLZ

I'm gonna come back online after my exam, and that'd better have a dozen stars by then ^

Why are so many Indian comedies being recommended to me on Netflix?

What have you done @rahuldottech?

@BenN Thanks for taking the time to look at my question! :)

You're welcome! I hope my tool is helpful :)

@ThatBrazilianGuy they are not Indian. They are Brazilian Hindi.

Coffee Lake is (almost) here: pcper.com/news/Processors/…

Up to 6C/12T and 4.7 GHz.

Let's see how AMD responds to this...

I'm personally hoping to see a refresh of current-generation Ryzen processors.

At minimum, we should see prices drop a bit.

...and this is not good: wccftech.com/…

oh hey, apparently we're getting a space agency

o.O

Spppppppaaaaaaccccceeeeeee

I'm so not a geek. I just don't get all these cultural references.

hm. huge file upload over medium latency connection (80ms)

I don't even really watch TV.

SFTP, FTP or WebDAV?

@bwDraco join the club - I haven't turned on a TV since new years day

and the time before that was the last new year...

I don't turn my TV on ever... I turn my PS4 on, and HDMI Link turns the TV on for me. ;)

> I don't watch TV. It's a cultural wasteland filled with inappropriate metaphors and an unrealistic portrayal of life created by the liberal media elite.

Naturally.. it's from a TV show.

@JourneymanGeek So... what am I missing?

Nothing

Media only has the relevance you ascribe to it.

@JourneymanGeek So... where do all these cultural references come from? What exactly am I missing?

I've been criticized, and in at least one case, even disciplined, for not watching TV.

probably the same one I'm missing, except you could just ask what the reference is

Life? The point of cultural references are not just what they are, it's the joy they bring.

Also, I think I don't read enough different sources.

@Bob sppppppaaaaaaacccccceeeeee is from portal 2

@bwDraco you cannot read them all.

And, I've never really had a sense of humor.

@JourneymanGeek ah. the only portal I played through was portal.wecreatestuff.com

which is a great game. I'd recommend it if you're feeling bored

But that's the fundamentals of geek culture. It is fine to be different. It's fine to be the same.

also, third-person

I played that one before portal proper

(which, as noted several times before, has led to issues in chat in the past, including an inability to effective defuse drama)

where the first-person portal jumping confused me enough to give up after a bit :P

The important part isn't in our differences. It's in accepting what brings us joy.

forget left/other-left, I had trouble with down and other-down

@Bob I found it oddly easy since my brain is doing that anyway.

and when your down turns into forward

and your back turns into sideways

at the same time

Or the falling forever into a jump.

oh, that part wasn't so bad

I just don't deal with pitch rotation that well :P

nor roll, come to think of it

yaw is fine. yaw is normal :P

One thing to remember with moderation: Do not take things seriously unless it's absolutely necessary. Always stay calm, and always try to defuse the situation peacefully first. The way Trump is handling the North Korea crisis is a good example of what not to do.

Clearly not a cat.

That's the most fundamental problem.

Hence, careful choice of words and actions is important. If somebody does something wrong, gently discourage the behavior instead of giving an unnecessarily harsh warning or flagging immediately.

This is the biggest mistake I make every time there's drama.

Note that it doesn't necessarily mean that humor is required; it means diplomacy and dialogue should be used instead of threats, warnings, and flags unless things have already broken down. If it comes to that, you've basically already lost.

So, @JourneymanGeek, any tips? I think this is the most important thing I've learned in my last six years in chat.

This... might just be the biggest behavioral breakthrough I've had in recent memory, both here in chat and in the real world.

The other secret to life.

@JourneymanGeek Well, the two are intimately related—if you learn to not take things too seriously, you'll naturally learn to let go.

It comes down to learning to relax and stay calm.

Which you take too seriously.

@JourneymanGeek Let's be frank here. I'm already brainstorming changes to make IRL towards this objective. If I can fix this problem in real life, it'll carry over into cyberspace.

If one has no goal but to chase his own tail, what does he have when he catches it? The uncaught squirrel on the other hand is hours of fun.

The basic idea is very simple if you think about it. Implementation is a different story, given my psychological history.

Chase the squirrel. Your tail will follow.

So... I think I'm ready to move forward. Any test scenarios to practice on?

After all, practice makes perfect.

@JourneymanGeek I've said this before...

> It's important to maintain the natural flow of chat. By gracefully resolving situations, we can avoid drama and disruption.

@bwDraco and yet this breaks the flow of chat.

Care to explain?

By talking about maintaining the flow of chat, the flow of chat is not maintained. The tail is chased.

What more do we need to discuss?

By discussing, the goal is lost. If you've caught your own tail, what then?

That is my point.

I wasn't planning to talk about this any further.

So if you find you're doing something you shouldn',t drop it, and just forget it. Its easier like that

@JourneymanGeek one more comma would've helped here :P

@Bob I was going to say...

dude. "Drop it, Move on"

      zfs:  120GiB 3:42:02 [15.2MiB/s] [               <=>                     ]
     pigz: 71.9GiB 3:42:02 [5.56MiB/s] [               <=>                     ]

No. Stop expecting mod hat actions. You don't want me to mod hat action. I don't want me to mod hat action.

It results in painful ankles and industrial strength dog mouthwash.

@JourneymanGeek Humor isn't necessary.

@JourneymanGeek you also need to clean the hat after

I hear you're not supposed to machine wash them

...and I am stepping out. I intentionally acted to defeat the purpose of your posting humorous content in an attempt to create drama, knowing that it was meant to defuse the situation.

...and I'm back. So... recent incidents are giving me the impression that I'm starting to become a troll. Hints on how to change that?

See - I tell you "Don't do this" - you step out. then do the same thing.

@JourneymanGeek Clarify? I'm hoping to not let this blow up.

Well, you're worried about being distruptive. Then are being disruptive by worrying about being disruptive.

and this is a circle. You're chasing your tail.

If you're like "I'm not being a good chat citizen " step off chat

go find something else to do. Trickle fix a tag, chase a squirrel - something other that what you're fixated on.

@JourneymanGeek I get the idea but it's just hard to get out of a vicious circle.

@bwDraco Go to sleep. It's 12:45 AM.

simple. Don't look at your tail. Don't look at the behaviorial issues. Don't force better behaviour.

that too ;p

@JourneymanGeek I hope you understand the story behind this behavior. I was raised on strict discipline and continue to be strictly disciplined, so changing this is going to be met with more than a bit of resistance from my parents. It's not like I don't want to do this, it's that my parents demand visibility into changes.

@bwDraco I can try to put myself in your feet, but there comes a point when I'm getting the impression there's no real change.

I just feel like I'm a bird stuck in a cage. You try to do the right thing and wind up getting punished for it.

inlanka.lk/post/activity/00000106

"lanka"

hm

I see a blank page

and lunch!

@JourneymanGeek yea it's borkened

@JourneymanGeek The page loaded for me, albeit slowly.

Look, I was taught to take my behavior seriously. Anything else, and I risk getting in trouble.

It's not what I'd like.

I constantly tell my mom, "we don't need to take ABC violation so seriously" and I get in trouble for those words alone.

At home, I want peaceful and clean resolution of issues.

Also, this kind of attitude towards disciplinary issues is counterproductive. It's creating resentment and is making me become arrogant about my ability to behave ("I can handle this, you don't need to remind me!"), simply because I don't want Mother lecturing me on the same issue repeatedly. She just fears that if it isn't reinforced, I'll just do it again, so I tell her it isn't necessary in an attempt to stop it.

Fear and anger aren't the solution.

I don't like ranting about my parents in a public space, but this is the situation I'm in right now. I hate it.

To make matters worse, Father is a skeptic and a cynic, refusing to believe that I can improve myself and sometimes refusing to accept even overwhelming and incontrovertible evidence that, for example, I no longer make a particular mistake or that my behavior has improved in some specific manner.

I would like it if I didn't have to take my behavior so seriously, but there's very little I can do about it.

...and that's the story behind my taking things too seriously.

I'll be going back to the drawing board and creating a fresh set of plans for better behavior that reflect the lessons learned today.

Good night.

@Bob foxen!

Ok, I am totally brainfarting here - I know there's a question on MSU about cleaning up the recovery tag

I can't find it. Since after a few months, and several hundred over trickled edits... I just realised I ought to mention I'm doing this ;p

@JourneymanGeek meta.superuser.com/questions/4889/combining-the-recovery-tags ?

probably more recent

I think Its around the last... OH!

@JourneymanGeek wait I linked the wrong one. meta.superuser.com/questions/8290/…

via

@JourneymanGeek yea I had that one open but copied the other link :P

they were the first two results of the search :P

its down to under 300 at this point, whoo

@bwDraco noticed excessive get around the charger port early on and replaced the rather thin charger cable which was definitely overheating. Not had any problems in nearly 2 years of using it tbh, and just replaced it with latest shiney. Thanks for the heads up though.

Also not sure if that applies to the S6 Edge+

(stolen from John Oliver's latest youtube video ;p)

/me reads the backchat, sighs

@CircusCat Good for you!

I'm disappointed

Did you jack up on caffine?

@djsmiley2k Yeah

Haven't slept in about 34 hours

0_0

Gonna go take a nap now

that's not good

go go go

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I wasn't prepared for exams and stuff...

yeah, bye

...

imgur.com/gallery/AkcZs

hah neat

@rahuldottech those are rookie numbers

you gotta up your numbers

/me stayed up without sleep for 4 days at some point, thanks to game jams

and then you drop dead randomly

yeah that's not normal

if you drop dead for more than 4 hours then see a doctor

which bit? dropping dead, or staying awake for 4 days straight?

dropping dead

always puts a damper on your plans.

Also I don't think one should wait 4 hours if you don't half ass dying dead.

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41381391

real life superhero

I might of saved a coach I was on from crashing once, after a bottle of water got jammed under the brake pedal after it rolled down the coach

so i had to climb beneath the driver and get it out, while he was still driving...

0_0

@djsmiley2k s/of/have/

also that sounds suspiciously like a mr bean scene. also, simpsons :P

@Bob yeah, it wasn't

it was a bit scary, but basically no one but me and the driver knew what happened

this question confuses me superuser.com/questions/1253377/handicrafts-items-online

probably spam bait

either way it's off topic

@Bob we put the paws on handicrafts....

m

m^v^m

@JourneymanGeek did you ever find a better way to switch audio output devices? :P

@bwDraco How feasible is you getting a job and moving to a place of your own? When I lived with my parents I was, so to speak, trapped in my own kind of circular behavior and when I moved out I saw myself forced by the circumstances to act differently.

@Bob nope

@djsmiley2k Why coaches in the US are people and in the UK they're buses?