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qwertyuiop

00:02

Oh

!!caat

ChatBot John Cavil

qwertyuiop

What make/model?

allquixotic

@Bob My availability, in GMT-4 (US Eastern): 06/23 - rest of the day and into the morning hours; 06/24 - all day and night; 06/25 - any time except morning from 7 AM - noon, preferably going to sleep no later than 2 AM as well; 06/26 - all day and night; 06/27 - all day and part of the night, but hope to get to sleep no later than 1 or 2 AM on 06/28

Bob

00:18

@qwertyuiop Some Transcend thing at the moment... will probably pick up a Samsung EVO.

allquixotic

@Bob @JourneymanGeek I just sent two polls from Doodle - ignore the first one, click the second one... check your email

also see - support.doodle.com/customer/en/portal/articles/… - I have timezone support enabled

Bob

@allquixotic The Sat (25th) 2 AM one could be an issue with @JourneymanGeek's Sunday?

allquixotic

doodle.com/poll/652qxcau7gu67u2nue9ka8xv/admin#table

Bob

@allquixotic i.imgur.com/INNk2Hc.png :(

oldmud0

I don't know about you, but these don't sound like rather credible "fundamentals of cybersecurity":
> ➢Domain Separation
> ➢ Process Isolation
> ➢ Resource Encapsulation
> ➢ Modularity
> ➢ Least Privilege
> ➢ Abstraction
> ➢ Data Hiding
> ➢ Layering
> ➢ Conceptually Simple
> ➢ Minimization

Bob

00:30

I suppose Sydney times match Melbourne

Brisbane has no DST :P

oldmud0

ughhh the blockquote didn't work

if you look at it closely, you can see that some of them are redundant

allquixotic

> ➢Domain Separation
➢Process Isolation
➢Resource Encapsulation
➢Modularity
➢Least Privilege
➢Abstraction
➢Data Hiding
➢Layering
➢Conceptually Simple
➢Minimization

oldmud0

yeah but how to keep the bullet ~~points~~ arrows

gosh dang it strikethrough

allquixotic

@oldmud0 strikethrough is ---strikethrough---

oldmud0

whose idea was making it 3 dashes? in github it's ~~hehe~~

Journeyman Geek

00:34

@Bob @allquixotic marked it tentatively

allquixotic

block quote is > followed by some text on the same line followed by one or more newlines - and don't put a > on each line

Journeyman Geek

I might have sat free, ironically enough, depending on how bad my knee is

Bob

> The poll (or a part of it) has been changed in the meantime and a conflict has occured.
Please reload the page and retry.

!!no

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

@Bob sorry :( I added like 3 new hours at the end to account for US Tuesday wee hours of the morning ;p

@JourneymanGeek so, pessimistically then? :P

Journeyman Geek

00:36

@allquixotic when it comes to my free time, I am always pessimistic

allquixotic

me too generally but things have been less crazy on my weekends lately, and I have two vacation days coming up :)

Bob

> This e-mail address is already in use. Please use another one.

O_O

allquixotic

@Bob maybe you already registered? try G+?

Bob

Apparently I was

when?!

huh, early 2014

Journeyman Geek

i.chzbgr.com/full/8807148800/hF0117DC3

allquixotic

00:38

@Bob hey, what appears to be your "after work" hours (I think) is pretty compatible with me on weekends and vacation days

except for my Saturday morning which is shopping time

Bob

@allquixotic The ones not on weekends are actually my midnight hours :P

The times I put there are times I can almost definitely be there. A bit of leeway for +1 hour before and up to +2 hours after most of those.

allquixotic

you have a bunch of five hour blocks where you indicate you're available -- if that's a workday for me, those blocks I'll never be available on workdays, but weekends and vacation, yes

those blocks start at 10 AM for me

Bob

@allquixotic The only caveat to those is I'll probably be on my laptop (860M) so nothing too intensive :P

allquixotic

that's not bad at all

Journeyman Geek

@Bob soase runs on my stream ;p

allquixotic

00:41

@Bob well... Stellaris and Hearts of Iron IV (Clausewitz engine games from Paradox) run fine on a Skylake i5's IGP (Macbook Pro) so I doubt they're very intensive.

Bob

Yea. SoaSE is great (long as I don't zoom in too much).

Battleborn is probably not great.

AotS is !!no

@JourneymanGeek I run it on my laptop at 1600x900... 3200x1800 is too much (and too tiny) :P

allquixotic

Battleborn looks cartoony enough that the low-res probably dips down into marginal playability on a modern IGP.

it doesn't seem to be focused on OMGAWESOME graphics

you definitely don't want to play something like ARK: Survival Evolved or Life Is Feudal on that, though

Bob

@allquixotic Maybe if I turn settings way down, yea.

allquixotic

in ARK's case, it uses very high-res textures and effects on the latest Unreal engine

Bob

The problem isn't graphics quality. It's framerate. Thing feels jaggy under 60.

allquixotic

00:42

in LiF's case, the graphics quality sucks ass, but it's just ridiculously poorly optimized

Bob

Oh, damn. LiF was one I wanted to play on the laptop -_-

Journeyman Geek

erf

Bob

Also, laptop mouse isn't great so SoaSE is fine but FPSes like Battleborn are a tad painful

Journeyman Geek

I do need to plan for desk-migration

allquixotic

yeah, they may have improved it slightly, but it uses an extremely old engine that's been retrofitted to DX11 I think, and the Russian devs behind it are not the clueful ones like you see at Unigine for example :P

Journeyman Geek

00:43

IN SOVIET RUSSIA, SOFTWARE WRITES YOU!

3

Bob

@allquixotic One of these days I might go for a x70M laptop but that'll be well after the desktop upgrade :P

x60M seemed fine at the time for the majority of (light-ish) gaming

allquixotic

@Bob the GTX 1070 will be fitted directly into laptops and they won't even make an "M" chip - that's what Jen-Huang said on launch day of the 1080, anyway.

it'll just be throttled down to match the cooling solution and power profile, but will be able to be clocked up to full desktop speed in laptops with the right amount of cooling

same with the GTX 1080

so basically it'll be the same ASIC, but the manufacturer might not sell it running at full-bore if their thermal and power solution doesn't cut it

Bob

@allquixotic Interesting, but probably significantly more expensive.

@allquixotic My current laptop is compact - 13" -_-

allquixotic

!! s/Jen-Huang/Jen-Hsun/

Bob

The 860M is BGA, not MXM

ChatBot John Cavil

00:46

@allquixotic @Bob the GTX 1070 will be fitted directly into laptops and they won't even make an "M" chip - that's what Jen-Hsun said on launch day of the 1080, anyway. (source)

Bob

Cooling is pretty good, though.

It usually runs passive cooling, but has pretty powerful (and loud!) fans.

allquixotic

I think you might see the GTX 1070 and 1080 make an appearance in slim-ish 13" laptops, but if it does, you'll almost certainly see it throttled down. Or some kind of absolute miracle of thermal engineering from the manufacturer

This actually gives manufacturers an incentive (and a challenge) to develop something incredible

I'm excited to see if they succeed

Bob

@allquixotic Well, my laptop (W230SS) is pretty thick. Lots of space for airflow.

Though, my next (probably in 2+ years) will be 15"

And probably a slimmer one.

Journeyman Geek

heh

Bob

Actually, I could use Steam's streaming

allquixotic

00:48

they'll almost certainly have them running at full-bore (with the A/C power plugged in) in 15"

Journeyman Geek

I find 12" integrated graphics my personal sweet spot

especially if I can install a tbolt video adaptor in future.

Bob

@allquixotic So, do you feel like playing something in ~13 hours?

The one I definitely want to make is the one where @JourneymanGeek is there, even if we have to sacrifice some of the other matching blocks :P

allquixotic

@Bob yeah :) if I go to sleep within the next 5 hours (which is likely), I'll naturally wake up about an hour or two before that gaming session

Journeyman Geek

@Bob that's the 'definate'

allquixotic

well I think we should definitely plan on the one where all three of us have it

but we should start up something where it's just you and me, bob

Journeyman Geek

00:49

I want to skip grocery shopping this week, my knee's borked

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea, my listed times are definite too but I can make others if you two happen to coincide elsewhere.

@JourneymanGeek That bad? :(

Journeyman Geek

(IE, ping me here, and I'll be yay/nay)

allquixotic

mine are not definite, but my "red" (can't make it) blocks are 100% guaranteed not to work for me

Journeyman Geek

@Bob its a skinned knee, but there's a fair amount of swelling

Bob

ow

@allquixotic Yea, I think that one coincides with @JourneymanGeek's normal shopping time..?

Journeyman Geek

00:51

@Bob which I want to miss

Bob

@allquixotic Heh, I went for the definites because I basically don't have normal sleeping patterns :P

allquixotic

with prodding from an alarm I can theoretically be awake at any time; the red blocks are basically external responsibilities outside my control

like... not being a zombie when it's time to do the family weekly shop, and getting at least 5 hours of sleep before work Tuesday

Bob

@allquixotic gitter

allquixotic

The cat knows he is not allowed on the table, so he uses a placemat. https://t.co/5Z6c7nGvRY

Tweeted by raynerlucas on February 19, 2016 at 9:07 PM

Journeyman Geek

01:09

symantec.com/security_response/glossary/… 0_0

Bob

@JourneymanGeek O_O

I refuse to believe that's serious.

Ben N

It's true as long as that list of users isn't exclusive ;)

Journeyman Geek

hmm

allquixotic

01:29

average is beautiful

►

Journeyman Geek

02:20

Thomas Midgley Jr and a Pope Infestation: Citation Needed 5x02

►

Bob

> command '59 volume partition disk:179,0 public' failed with '400 59 Command failed'

THAT'S NOT GOOD

oldmud0

02:41

rekt

Psycogeek

03:05

0

Q: All video capture of desktop is rotated 45 degrees clockwise

When I try to capture video footage of my desktop, with every piece of software I have tried, it captures with the screen rotated 45 degrees. I have now tried: Shadowplay OBS, LoiLo Game recorder. Note this occurs when just capturing the monitor, or a fullscreen app, or a window. I have re...

not only weird but how is that even possible.

could they mean 90* ?

bwDraco

Does Android provide any indication that my phone is getting LTE Advanced or just LTE?

Psycogeek

03:26

&^$@%$ , I type my password perfect multiple times into e-bay , and (it is a bit weird) it doesnt click through. I do the reset password thing, and when i type the password There "The password cannot be the same as previous used passwords."

Sooo, dangit i was obviously typing it correct.

My secure password is so weird, 2 other places wouldnt even accept it either. Dang cant win for trying.

ya now "go f-- yourself and your pickey system" is an invalid password Phhht.

"For security reasons, please choose a password you have not used before." for security reasons why have you stored all my previous passwords anyway? making a dictionary?

We be all secure like, dont expect it to make any logical sence ever, and quit noticing we would let anyone in who has your Old phone number or OLD e-mail address access easily.

bwDraco

03:51

Why does my phone drop to HSPA when making a voice call? (Nexus 5X on AT&T.)

Bob

Because you don't have VoLTE

bwDraco

What gives? It's been like this for a while even though the device and network are supposed to support VoLTE.

Psycogeek

@bwDraco cause thats what it does? ATT doesnt do voice over LTE , and your not alone in that question.

bwDraco

Feb 25 at 21:42, by bwDraco

Dammit. I'm not getting VoLTE. My phone's dropping to HSPA+ whenever I make a voice call.

Bob

You have to enable it in phone settings. Often not possible unless on carrier ROM.

bwDraco

03:57

I think I know what's going on. SIP is disabled in the phone app.

I know VoLTE is provisioned so it should be possible to make VoLTE calls.

...not sure if this is the issue, though.

Psycogeek

why would anyone want that when the LTE is (still) not as wide of coverage, especially in the boondies?

seems like as long as they are still supporting the older method, the phone would cut out less.

hey brilliant Idea (thiers) do the phone calls over wifi. Like thats gonna work 50 feet later.

bwDraco

04:14

att.com/esupport/article.html#!/wireless/KM1046244

> You need an AT&T HD Voice SIM card that is UICC-G or higher installed in your smartphone to enjoy the rich calling experience of AT&T HD voice. An HD Voice SIM card will have the digits 27 or 28 in the 9th and 10th positions.

I briefly ejected the SIM and the ICCID indeed has 27 in the specified positions.

Perhaps it's a matter of whether the other device has VoLTE?

Psycogeek

•Both caller and receiver need to use . . . ?

bwDraco

I remember the old days when accessing voicemail by dialing my own number costed double the airtime minutes.

Heck, I still remember my mother's old pager!

Psycogeek

lol. i remember having an analog phone, and it seemed to reach longer to towers. but i never talked on it sooo long as now to say that, being cut out was better or not.

data glitches are almost more irritating than static. with static you still knew the person was there, and it didnt click pop and suddenly blare in your ear.

Bob

04:31

Welp. World's going to hell in a handbasket.

4

Psycogeek

it already did that, more than once

Bob

Well, it's gonna go faster.

Psycogeek

what is making it faster? trump isnt president YET ? :-)

Bob

@Psycogeek Oh, nothing much. Just Britain leaving the EU.

bwDraco

Feb 20 at 17:53, by bwDraco

> iDon't have a real keyboard.
iDon't run simultaneous apps.
iDon't take 5-megapixel pictures.
iDon't customize.
iDon't run widgets.
iDon't allow open development.
iDon't take pictures in the dark.
iDon't have interchangeable batteries.
Everything iDon't... DROID Does

So much has changed since...

Psycogeek

04:37

disk went to sleep in the middle of a task? microsoft does that

bwDraco

Widgets on the home and lock screens are finally a reality on iOS 10.

Bob

@Psycogeek SD card failure

bwDraco

iOS 10 should put an end to the "iOS is not customizable" argument. It took Apple this long, though, and it would not have happened under Steve Jobs.

Psycogeek

@bwDraco I didnt ever think they were limited in some of those. but as apple finnaly adds things like that, Microsoft is taking them away, trying to be like apple. Why cant we have both

if somone grabbed somone elses comuter/phone they could use it right away being the same. If you grab my computer or phone, the first thing you would want to do is factory reset them :-)

bwDraco

It's still not as flexible as Android but it's a big step forward.

Bob

04:43

> if I IIRC correctly

bwDraco

Android has long been known for being extraordinarily customizable though this comes at the cost of usability for less tech-savvy users.

Rahul2001

Good Morning!

Psycogeek

i now read this brittian leaving the EU news, vote is close favoring leave. Did they have a Pre-Nup?

who gets to keep the nukes? :-)

bwDraco

UK confirms exit from EU: telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/…

Psycogeek

so it is appropriate indeed that i am having thanksgiving dinner. like america, it isnt brittian leaving the EU, it is the EU leaving brittian :-)

we can toss some euros in the bay

Me, never been outside the US, ever. so all that is foreign to me.

you know how long texas has wanted to succeed from the "union", it never happened, or even got close. Might have something to do with then mexico would adopt them :-)

bwDraco

05:00

What the fuck. #Brexit

Tweeted by invisibility_ on June 24, 2016 at 4:59 AM

Psycogeek

if the pound drops low enough will i be able to buy a g-force 1070 cheap from there? or should i buy pounds now and short sell them later?

somone is going to profit widely from this, why not me too :-)

bwDraco

GBP is extremely volatile and you may want to sell now.

Psycogeek

but say i can buy 2-1 when it drops?

it's not like the whole system will collapse and never come back, this is just market wave/surge get out your boogie board

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco or buy stuff from the UK before prices get adjusted ;p

bwDraco

Night.

Psycogeek

05:15

"U.S. stocks made their biggest gain in a month Thursday as investors grew more optimistic that Britons will vote to stay in the European Union" cnsnews.com/news/article/… OOPs

@bwDraco sleep well, i think i need to do some of that also.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Lots of people with that idea :P ozbargain.com.au/node/254471

Journeyman Geek

05:30

and I kinda doubt the point will stay that low for long

Bob

05:54

> we're all going to die
This is great.

HackToHell

haha'

I don't get whats the big deal about it is

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell the EU's a common market and london's the hub of it

Also, politicians,

HackToHell

ah, so the EU is loosing their head.

Bob

@HackToHell Oh, not much. Just economical and political upheaval worldwide, the possibility of another recession, the possibility of an avalanche effect...

Journeyman Geek

Oh

HackToHell

05:57

o0

Journeyman Geek

And scotland wants into the EU but their ruling party wants out of the UK

HackToHell

I should start reading the newspaper

Journeyman Geek

NI wants into the EU, but... its NI, its complicated

Wierdly both big parties have pro and anti EU elements

Bob

This might all blow over in another year. Or it might be studied 50 years later as one of the contributing factors towards WW3.

Journeyman Geek

or the broker deals ala many scandinavian countries

NetworkKingPin

06:00

May be the starting factor of a great Depression to the US.

Journeyman Geek

@NetworkKingPin economy is already shit everywhere

NetworkKingPin

@JourneymanGeek I agree with you on that.

HackToHell

06:16

@Bob whoa

That serious o0

Related to the EU refugee crisis ?

Bob

@HackToHell Eh, I'm just listing the extremes.

Chances are it won't really be at either extreme.

Journeyman Geek

more likely

Life goes on

Bob

06:32

> Microsoft Wallet with tap to pay is now available for Windows Insiders

... Google, Apple, Samsung, Microsoft.

Everyone's got their own incompatible NFC payment system.

...I'll just stick with my physical card that works pretty much everywhere without funny restrictions.

Journeyman Geek

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

Burgi

07:24

morning

:(

Bob

07:35

@Burgi So, which country are you moving to? :P

Burgi

ireland probably :(

scotland would find it really tough going alone

basically because our demographic all the old people voted to leave

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi I was joking to someone that maybe we ought to move to mars.

Burgi

heh

i'd prefer venus. the gravity is closer to earth

Journeyman Geek

Apparently Cameron quit

Burgi

scotlands voting bloc in the EU would be really small. smaller than greece, they might be able to make a run at it if the oil prices go up...

yeah just saw that

Journeyman Geek

07:40

I doubt the scots will get another referendum that soon

Burgi

Live scenes from the channel tunnel #EURefResults #EUref #referendum https://t.co/Sece2n4yxr

Tweeted by bognorb on June 24, 2016 at 6:35 AM

Journeyman Geek

lol

Burgi

i hope you guys remember me fondly when in 3 years time i'm using the case of my PC as a fireplace because Britain has reverted to a medieval wasteland

4

NetworkKingPin

07:59

@Burgi You can come crash over here at my place if it comes to that.

Rahul2001

What did britain decide?

If they leave, they won't join again after they realize that they messed up big time??

Burgi

its not that simple

Rahul2001

um... ok

Burgi

we would have to have another vote to join

Journeyman Geek

and the EU would need to let them back in

heh

Burgi

08:04

then we would have to accept the euro and our voting bloc on the council would be vastly reduced as we would be a new member

Rahul2001

You really are doomed, aren't you?

Journeyman Geek

eh

who knows.

Burgi

we are the 5th biggest economy in the world

we aren't going to vanish

Journeyman Geek

(I'm typically a euroskeptic, but meh, I have no horse in this race, so to speak)

Rahul2001

10 mins ago, by Burgi

i hope you guys remember me fondly when in 3 years time i'm using the case of my PC as a fireplace because Britain has reverted to a medieval wasteland

Burgi

08:05

@JourneymanGeek you have to be in it to change it

Rahul2001

:P

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi more like its a british decision.

so I'm not going to go "Hey, this was the right/wrong thing"

Burgi

that is interesting

Journeyman Geek

and tbh, this was confusing, since leave vs stay was hardly on party lines and it was so close

Burgi

hypothetically if you did have a vote which way would you have gone and why?

Journeyman Geek

08:07

"I'm typically a euroskeptic"

Rahul2001

@Burgi I would've stayed... youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8

Journeyman Geek

I don't really believe the EU has a coherent plan, its somewhat undemocratic, with many decisions made by unelected bureaucrats. While the single market and mobility of labour is nice, that affects companies to a greater extent than 'regular' folks

Burgi

fair point

Journeyman Geek

and this can be done in other ways. A UK outside the EU could be more agile

At the end of the day though, I have no right to judge you lot ;p

Edity

D: david cameron resigned

ow

Burgi

08:11

@Edity i thought you had quit stack exchange

Journeyman Geek

Also, external circumstances....

Edity

@Burgi All reverted and looking well. :D

Journeyman Geek

I don't think the germans and french did themselves any favours with the whole slightly belligerant air they had "stay or else", and frankly the EU has more to lose from the UK leaving.

Edity

His last post was 11 hours ago

Journeyman Geek

Now, worst case scenario.... scotland breaks away NI falls into a civil war, and catalonia splits from spain....

Edity

08:13

Thank you everyone who voted to keep Britain stronger, safer & better off in Europe - and thousands of @StrongerIn campaigners around the UK

Tweeted by David_Cameron on June 23, 2016 at 9:05 PM

wth?

allquixotic

@bwDraco Great. I went to that site and the live video is of Trump's helicopter landing. WHY DOES ANYONE CARE ABOUT THAT LITTLE MAN

Burgi

the horror is that by christmas we'll have boris as PM and trump in the white house

their stupid combined hair wafting in the breeze

Edity

bizzare.

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi there might be hell toupee.

Burgi

no

just no

;)

Edity

08:15

IN USA- TRUMP TRUMPETS YOU

get it?

Journeyman Geek

I'm not even sure there's a reasonable option in the US election

!!no

ChatBot John Cavil

Edity

HEY CHATBOTS BACK

Burgi

in other news the steam sale is on!!!!

Journeyman Geek

@Edity after the recyclebin2 fiasco, I'm not convinced you're responsible enough to take the keys.

Edity

08:17

I know. :/

Journeyman Geek

I don't want you taking out the ol cylon raider and returning with a pile of scrap.

Rahul2001

I... I think I'm gonna start working on my safe house. With no boris and trump, WWIII is inevitable...

Edity

:/\ Quack!

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi heh, I might sit this one out

I have a fairly big purchase planned in july ._.

Burgi

can we have a referendum on the chatbot's membership of this channel?

Edity

08:18

WW3 Trump Edition

Rahul2001

Star this if you want @ChatBotJohnCavil to remain

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Journeyman Geek

....

Rahul2001

Star this if you want @ChatBotJohnCavil to leave

7

Journeyman Geek

Its spelled star

Edity

star not START

Rahul2001

08:19

damn autocorrect...

@Burgi ^

Edity

ONE STAR FOR CHATBOT TO LEAVE

Journeyman Geek

cripes. Kids these days. With their fancy smancy spellcheck. Back in my day, you actually had to take a book, and open it up to the right page, and look up the word UPHILL, BOTH WAYS, IN THE SWELTERING TROPICAL HEAT, BOTH WAYS. IN THE SNOW, WHILE FIGHTNING OFF WILD YETI WITH NOTHING BUT YOUR TEETH, CAUSE YOU HAD A DICTIONARY IN YOUR HANDS.

Edity

Have you heard of the new mods in AU (ask ubuntu or australia, each way)

Journeyman Geek

What happens in ~~vegas~~ tasmania stays in tasmania....

allquixotic

@Burgi not sure about Boris, but I sure hope Trump doesn't get elected. However, there are enough stupid people in the US that it is a distinct possibility.

Edity

08:23

I am going to start calling trump trumpet.

LOL

Burgi

in the uk trump is a type of fart

Edity

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOL

OH THIS IS GOING TO COUNT AGAINST MY MAX LOLS

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic IMO there's no 'good' choice. Heck, people were excited that Dwayne Johnson might stand...

Rahul2001

@Edity You might want to calm down...

Journeyman Geek

(and that's really a problem with the delegate/party/elector system you guys use)

Edity

08:27

Sorry.

I laugh very commonly.

Journeyman Geek

@Edity sorry means you control yourself, and not be distruptive.

Edity

ok

Journeyman Geek

(sadly, the system I like the best for elections is PR + STV )

Edity

Glitch: Zooming out 15% and back to normal causes some profile picutres to be blured

Burgi

there are two good songs for today

radio free europe by REM and its the end of the world as we know it by REM... ;)

allquixotic

08:34

Stardock games going for cheap in the steam summer sale: forums.stardock.com/477846/page/1

Journeyman Geek

and if you're bored by all this, just make some REM and sleep? ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I just think the plan for leaving didn't sound very well thought out. I tend to shy away from reactionary actions. <= opinion of a largely uninformed outsider

Journeyman Geek

@Bob Plan? WE DON'T NEED NO PLAN!

@Bob agreed.

hence me saying "typically" and making it clear "my opinion wasn't really important" here ;p

Bob

It could go either way, but overall it's probably not great for European stability.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob europe isn't terribly stable?

Bob

08:40

@JourneymanGeek ...does that mean it should be less stable? :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob rather that its inherently unstable

DavidPostill

Morning peeps. Today I'm happy I've got dual nationality :)

Bob

Then there's the whole "EU is a sinking ship" argument, which might happen... might even be a consequence of this.

We'll see in a decade or two.

Journeyman Geek

pretty much

Bob

I might even be able to watch it happen over fibre!

Journeyman Geek

08:41

Now you're being irrationally optimistic ;p

Bob

lol

Burgi

i'm winning the chatbot leave campaign

DavidPostill

Nothing much will happen for two years anyway:
"As a first step, the British government must notify the EU of its intention to leave the EU. The EU and the UK will then start negotiations on a withdrawal agreement. This process may take some time. It is not possible to say exactly how long it will take. The Treaty on European Union provides for a period of two years for these negotiations. However, this may be extended with the consent of the UK and all EU member states."

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Well, it's doing better than last century.

DavidPostill

If it all goes pear shaped I will move to Switzerland.

Rahul2001

08:44

@Burgi I cannot start my own message for it to stay :/

Journeyman Geek

resets the star count for leave

Rahul2001

@DavidPostill where do you live right now?

DavidPostill

@Rahul2001 UK, Liverpool

Rahul2001

Ah, ok

@JourneymanGeek yay!

Journeyman Geek

I didn't actually do that. Cavil stays, unless TPTB decide otherwise. ;p

Burgi

08:47

TBTB?

Journeyman Geek

The Powers That Be.

Edity

tptb

Burgi

sorry i misread

Journeyman Geek

~~I mispelled it the first time ;p~~ Clearly you did. Mods do not make mistakes.

Burgi

now i look like an idiot :(

DavidPostill

08:50

acronymfinder.com/Slang/TBTB.html

Edity

!!help

I am still banned.

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DavidPostill

Look at the first entry. Typos have taken over.

Edity

Bob

The Bowers That Be?

Edity

The Powers That Microsoft (TPTM)

I really need this warning:

Bob

08:58

It's 10 out but feels like 3. My hands are frozen.

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