Root Access

allquixotic

12:05 AM

that's without any of my development stuff fired up; having just recently rebooted; and with no VMs running.

TL;DR: page cache.

DDR4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSDs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...(about 5000 more >s...)>>> HDDs

and I don't have any SSDs right now to begin with (they're all in use in other computers)

the best way to get fast I/O is don't do I/O -- the best way not to do I/O is to load it from persistent storage into memory at boot-up or shortly thereafter, then run it out of RAM from there.

tereško

oh, you are probably using chrome

allquixotic

nope, Firefox

tereško

in that case, I have no idea what eats all that RAM for you

I havent rebooted my box for two weeks and it's at 4.5G .. and thats WITH some of my development stuff running

allquixotic

Steam, RDP, PuTTY, Teamspeak 3, Notepad++, a game, Message+, CrashPlan, CCleaner, MalwareBytes....

tereško

seriously ?! Np++ ?

have you actually tried Sublime or Atom or Brackets ?

Michael Frank

12:11 AM

There's nothing wrong with NP++...

tereško

riiiight

allquixotic

I use Notepad++ for XML editing, "generic" text editing (no syntax, like lists of stuff or whatever), Ruby, ... but for anything serious I use Visual Studio or Eclipse or Netbeans. I don't like Sublime's price; Atom is great for JS and JSON but it's not truly a general-purpose editor for all languages; and Bracket, once again, is focused on web design.

I don't do web design. Ever. So I don't need that. The little bits of JS I do read/write are small enough and simple enough that I can deal with them perfectly fine in NP++.

And I like being able to pretty-print XML with Ctrl+Alt+Shift+B in NP++ with the XML Tools plugin; I have yet to find another editor that has an easy button like that for XML (I deal with XML more than anything else these days)

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic heh. I'm actually thinking of getting a sublime licence

tereško

actually you can always click "no" when Sublime asks you to buy

it is not a timed-trial

allquixotic

That's unnecessary clicks; it's called "nagware". There is nothing you can do to design a text editor, or even a robust IDE, to convince me that it's worth paying money for in 2015, when we have so much momentum towards dozens of awesome FOSS text editors and IDEs that have each their own advantages and great use cases.

I'd sooner use Atom or Brackets than Sublime, but like I said, I don't do JS much, so I don't need them. If I were writing a huge JS project, or HTML, I'd probably download one of those two.

Journeyman Geek

12:17 AM

@allquixotic: It dosen't even nag actually

its just a different title bar

(and work has a licence ... I use it a lot)

allquixotic

also, notepad++ automatically remembers any unsaved buffers you have open when it closes, so if your system randomly decides to reboot (gracefully, for optimum results), you don't lose anything... other editors will ask you to save changes if you're lucky, or just close if you're not

there may be other editors that do the same, but again, I haven't found any

Journeyman Geek

sublime does this ;p

allquixotic

meh

congrats to sublime then for charging for a feature I can get for free

Journeyman Geek

(and the killer feature for me... multiple cursors)

granted, there's a free text mode text editor that does it.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek how does it handle huge volumes of text? one thing I like about NP++ is I can open up a 50 MB log file and it's blazing fast

Journeyman Geek

12:21 AM

@allquixotic: gloriously

I'm a fan, but I recommend giving it a spin for a day or two.

allquixotic

what does sublime do that no other text editor does (or does equally well) that is unrelated to web development?

Bob

I'm using LINQpad for formatting XML and JSON

allquixotic

there's so much feature parity between text editors that there's no compelling reason to learn new shortcuts and menu items unless there's one out there that has some spectacular killer feature

otherwise there's not enough productivity loss by sticking with what you have to make it worth your while -- maybe a couple seconds or minutes per year compared to something that may be marginally better

unless your text editor of choice is Windows Notepad, of course

Michael Frank

@allquixotic It has the code overview panel!

Bob

because figuring out the plugin for NP++ was too hard, and Sublime (funnily enough, used by my coworker that shares @allquixotic's name) took about half an hour on a 30MB JSON file

tereško

12:26 AM

@JourneymanGeek multi-edit is available in all 3 editors that I mentioned

Bob

actually, I don't think we ever got it to finish

allquixotic

@Bob an hour to load a 30 MB JSON? or an hour to pretty-print it?

tereško

@JourneymanGeek the killer feature for me is the fuzzy file search

Bob

@allquixotic the latter

tereško

especially if you are working on projects with 100+ class files, it makes for a lot faster work when you dont have to click through the directory tree

Bob

12:28 AM

actually, might've been 300MB... can't remember now

probably 30

tereško

@Bob that's what vim is for =P

Bob

@tereško eh, all IDE's I've used support that

allquixotic

LINQpad did it fast though?

Bob

VS and NB, primarily

presumably Eclipse does too

@allquixotic took all of 2 secs

allquixotic

wow

Bob

12:29 AM

though, it wasn't LINQPad itself

allquixotic

some optimization problems in sublime then

Bob

I just had a C# one-liner in it :P

@allquixotic IIRC it was a third-party plugin... maybe, idk

I don't use Sublime

coworker-with-your-name just offered to try running that file through it :P

allquixotic

lol

tereško

I meant this feature

Bob

@tereško So do I.

Ctrl+, in VS

Some combination of ctrl+alt+shift+O in NB, though I can't remember the exact combo

In fact, the VS one is even better.

It doesn't just search filenames. It also searches symbols.

tereško

12:36 AM

well, so does this

you just need to start with @

and you are comparing an IDE to a editor here

Bob

So?

An IDE is a (text) editor

tereško

no, IDE and editor are different things

Bob

...then go define the difference

tereško

> An integrated development environment (IDE) or interactive development environment is a software application that provides comprehensive facilities to computer programmers for software development. An IDE normally consists of a source code editor, build automation tools and a debugger. Most modern IDEs have intelligent code completion.

Bob

And?

tereško

12:39 AM

IDE is not and editor

Bob

You realise an "IDE" and "editor" are not mutually exclusive?

tereško

same way as "car" is not a "chair"

Bob

You also do realise that IDEs let you edit text, and therefore are a subclass of "text editor"?

allquixotic

I'd explain it this way in terms of inheritance: class IDE extends TextEditor

> subclass

same idea ;p

tereško

@allquixotic I would say that editor is a dependency of an IDE

and IDE can have actually multiple editors integrated

see the "car-chair" example

allquixotic

12:41 AM

Encapsulation? Okay, that works too. Yeah, since there are plenty of non-text editors in Eclipse.

Bob

...and an IDE can still function as a text editor, ergo it is a text editor.

tereško

@allquixotic composition

allquixotic

The main reason I don't use Eclipse for all my text-editing needs is that it takes too long to start up and has too many unnecessary trimmings for when I need quick little edits or unstructured lists.

tereško

@Bob car can still function as a chair, ergo it is a chair

Bob

@tereško Sure, if you want it to be one.

allquixotic

12:42 AM

if Eclipse started as quickly as NP++ I'd probably use it as my text editor :P

Bob

Strictly speaking, a car can be a seat, a place to sit. A chair has a more specific definition that diverges from a car.

Anyway, as long as an IDE implies being able to edit text, it is a text editor.

tereško

^ and this is actually quite common

anyway, I give up

allquixotic

I actually observed that my car's seats are way more comfortable than my desk seat at work and contemplated if I could do something like that lol

car manufacturers know that people will only like the car if they are REALLY comfortable behind the wheel when they test drive it

so they make the seats super lush and excellent

every newish car I've been in has wonderful seats ;p desk chairs, not so much

Bob

If you really want to argue semantics, I can say that by your definition Sublime Text is not a text editor because it includes additional functionality - oh, what's this, "build systems"?

And then there's so-called "lightweight IDEs" like Brackets, Atoms, VSCode, etc., which only have marginally more functionality than Sublime.

@allquixotic You just need to not buy the cheapest desk chair you find :P

allquixotic

@Bob Guilty as charged! D:

especially my work..... at home, I don't usually buy the cheapest, just cheap-er

but work's chairs are bleh

Bob

12:50 AM

@allquixotic test-sit at the store?

@allquixotic :(

we have pretty good chairs at work

(yay, another repeated conversation... IIRC @JourneymanGeek had some special designer chairs? :P)

allquixotic

there's actually a great deal of equipment inequity at work between "worker bees" and the bosses

bosses get upgraded chairs that are WAY more comfortable, more monitors, monitors on swivel arms, higher end specs, WAY more desk space, locking doors....

Bob

wait, locking doors?

does that mean you have a door? :P

allquixotic

worker bees get barely enough room to turn around in (I can't tell you how many times I get thwapped while walking by someone's cube when they put their arms up to stretch), no privacy, crowded desk, bad specs, no actuating arms on the monitors, and cruddy chairs

@Bob no, lol

Michael Frank

@Bob We have 'ok' chairs at work... Apparently they're like $3-400 each...

allquixotic

the sad part is my company probably paid $500+ per chair for the awful chairs we have

they always overpay for everything

it's ridiculous

Michael Frank

12:56 AM

@allquixotic Yup!

We could all be sitting in wonderfully comfortable dx-racer chairs if they were clever.

tereško

/me has been looking at Maxnomic and DXRacer chairs

allquixotic

I need to investigate this DXRacer since two of you mentioned it

> System.ArgumentException

and indeed, on their homepage is an error

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: herman miller aeons

tereško

I am currently sitting on something like this:

link: rkp.lv/items/1323/.jpg

it's terrible

Michael Frank

@tereško We had better chairs at high school! :p

Journeyman Geek

1:03 AM

ooh

secretlab.sg/#throne

damn it people. And google.

allquixotic

tereško

^ perfect for waiting room

allquixotic

Michael Frank

1:42 AM

Man... I am so done with today!

All I want to do is go home and blob out on the couch playing ESO.

Bob

2:09 AM

oh god reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/39akcw/…

> You said in the call that you needed to "poke a couple holes in the firewall". Since you're not onsite, who are you going to get to create the holes and are they going to fill the holes back in after we're done with the project? How long does it take to make the holes, and how long to fill them? Are you poking holes so we can run cables, and if so, do I need to get our electrical contractor involved to run the cables for you? Since this is a firewall, wouldn't it be a fire hazard to have holes in it?

@allquixotic that one actually looks like it would topple over

Journeyman Geek

2:26 AM

@allquixotic Is someone trying to make a point?

Journeyman Geek

2:45 AM

ooh. I see puppy is up

allquixotic

3:08 AM

@JourneymanGeek yup

@JourneymanGeek lol

all the VMs except Windows are up, and that one is following soon

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: hm, do you have access? Could you give the script for updating tt-rss a kick?

(I'm at work, and don't have my keys. I usually start screen, switch to www-data then run php ./update_daemon2.php )

nice

/me is hoping to get the ubuntu VM on the unnamed dedi up by tommorrow ;p

allquixotic

3:45 AM

@JourneymanGeek you don't have access? ... oh, don't have keys

Journeyman Geek

Yeah ;p

allquixotic

how do you "switch to www-data"? su doesn't let me do it

Journeyman Geek

erm... su -u www-data php ./update_daemon2.php

I think

or was that su -c

blah

I do this so rarely I don't remember XD

ahh

su -c www-data php ./update_daemon2.php

problem is I can't really run it in cron or as a startup script cause its interactive

allquixotic

4:16 AM

done

Journeyman Geek

ahh, thanks

Bob

o.O

@allquixotic the OVH thing that was 72h now says 120sec

well, no time like the present to order...

hm, actually

I should probably finish my local lxd tests first

Journeyman Geek

OVH thing?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek the specific setup I wanted

seems like they restocked :P

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Bob

4:24 AM

but I'm still gonna test locally... nothing quite like a VM snapshot when you're stuffing around with unsupported setups :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

Yeah

snort

phoronix.com/…

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek Saw that yesterday :P

Journeyman Geek

My RSS feed reader was down ;p

I've actually been toying with the idea of setting some kind of replication for postgres and running a second copy at home if the main one goes down.

I'm overeliant on the damned thing ;p

allquixotic

5:16 AM

I left that script running whatever it's doing

did a Ctrl+a,d to detach

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

that's what I normally do

Its the second most annoying thing about ttrss ;p

Thanks

HackToHell

6:08 AM

Reddit's in super drama mode reddit.com/r/all

allquixotic

@HackToHell HALP! WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED!

Journeyman Geek

That's just sad

Journeyman Geek

6:32 AM

io9.com/…

I hope they do not mess this up

barlop

7:43 AM

what do you think when an answer is this bad and even the edit is wrong stackoverflow.com/questions/30768624/…

the last answer there.

by louis.

I wouldn't mind reverting the edit that got approved though i'm not sure how.

but even if the correction were correct, it'd still be pointless

because the correct answer was posted before louls's answer

Psycogeek

double quotes single quotes frontslash backslash , heegads which is it already :-)

While I will just "try anything" , and change stuff till it works. I know that there are times when the "other" slash works the same as the "proper" one, but there is no use doing that as a work pattern, because not everything will work that way, and the other one is used for other stuff (like params). So staying with the same conventions the system itself uses, like when copy-paste from the exploder own address bar, you see the method they use and intend.

HackToHell

GTA 5 - Semi Truck Stunt Jump

►

barlop

8:01 AM

yeah. The comments on the correct answer mention that forward slash works when in double quotes

though indeed i'd use backslash in windows

Psycogeek

freaking mess it is

barlop

not really a mess at all... backslash is what one should use bit an allowance is made for forward slash, an allowance that has been done in a messy way. The mess is completely irrelevant

Psycogeek

I mean all the comments only adding to the confusion.

barlop

the comments don't leave any confusion

they clarify

and add a lot of new information

which could potentially be edited into the answer, but they don't lead to confusion unless you don't read them.

Psycogeek

and there actually is no full conical answer stating why that does not work, why not to do it like that, and why to use the method suggested.

@barlop yea that.

barlop

8:05 AM

yeah but who needs or wants a full canonical answer on something as absurd as forward slashes in windows.

the canonical answer is don't use forward slashes unless you're ignorant or playing around stupidly.

the solution MS have given for forward slashes is a half baked solution for people that deserve a half baked solution!

Psycogeek

@barlop my guess is one already exists.

Journeyman Geek

Also. forward slashes are correct as long as its windows ;p

Don't forget windows isn't posix complaint for most part

barlop

@JourneymanGeek what do you mean forward slashes are correct as long as its windows :p ? Technically the windows command line is windows, and dir c:/windows doesn't work

Journeyman Geek

or do I mean backslashes....

barlop

goodness gracious me

Journeyman Geek

8:16 AM

beats me. I try one. Then the other

barlop

did you learn windows and linux at the same time or something?!

like your first computer had windows and linux on it?

Journeyman Geek

no. I'm dyslexic

barlop

oh ok

Journeyman Geek

;p

So I quite literally have no idea which one it is. I use one, then the other ;p

barlop

that's weird

Journeyman Geek

8:18 AM

IIRC / is the correct one in windows, and escapes in linux?

Its normal. Its probably the most obvious thing for me tho

barlop

what's the use in correcting you if they all look the same?

how about identifying them by which side of the keyboard they are?

You wrote "IIRC / is the correct one in windows, " <-- No that's not correct.

Psycogeek

Is the freaking leaning line thing, how it slashes , has always confuded me , i more know which one i intend by the placment on the keyboard (plus mine are 2 different colors on the keyboard).

barlop

One leans like it is falling over to the right, and one leans like it is falling over to the left.

look at the top of it whether it's more to the right or more to the left

look at right as forwards.

left as backwards

and the top of it

top of it is to the right that's the forward slash

the backslash looks like it is falling backwards

liek if somebody was walking from left to right, and they fell forward that's a forward slash, and if they fell backwards that's a backslash

Journeyman Geek

I don't really have a sense of right and left ;p

Psycogeek

Journeyman Geek

8:22 AM

(I have a trick for that)

barlop

well use it

You know the left hand you can make an L, right?

Psycogeek

it kinda "slashes" foreward if you draw it from the top :-)

Journeyman Geek

point is tho its not an intuitive thing for me, like for most people ;p

barlop

it's probably not intuitive for most people either

though if they're techies then maybe they know.. but at some point they trained themselves to know

though it probably took a bit less training than you'd take

I guess with the use of the web though.. it takes some doing to get it wrong..

maybe if your web browser were to allow both thus enabling you to get it wrong

chrome seems to allow both

it'd be better if it gave a message "you dyslexic"

Psycogeek

If they had applied the arrows it would have been interesting C:>Disk>TUN here, then into there , and they could reverse that too CD < up one folder

But there is no changing things now.

Journeyman Geek

8:26 AM

lol

The / is easier for me since I use it more ;p

and on linux, I just use autocomplete a lot

barlop

maybe they should make a dyslexic version

what if your keyboard had left and right written on it

and a label with a picture of somebody's back for the backslash

Psycogeek

and a color version, different colors mean different things <red>Del

barlop

@Psycogeek so are you dyslexic ?

Psycogeek

Not specifically, just lasy

Journeyman Geek

lol

barlop

8:29 AM

I thought we'd have a colour blind person here too

Journeyman Geek

or just the names at the bottom

barlop

any dyspraxics object?

Journeyman Geek

You know a backspace is a backspace cause it says backspace.

barlop

well how do you read that if you are dyslexic?

Journeyman Geek

erm

Block reading

Psycogeek

8:30 AM

@JourneymanGeek and the cool arrow <---- Yea, know that that does.

Journeyman Geek

High speed, low accuracy ;p

barlop

I guess you are lucky they don't spell backspace with a backslash

don't you know based on position though?

and size

Journeyman Geek

I use the backslash more

so I tend to use that when I need a forwardslash, then correct myself ;p

Psycogeek

I like how the backspace is on the left on my keyboard, and the delete on the right, so i know what direction it removes stuff.

barlop

oh.. Also the US keyboard isn't as easy with forward and backslash..

look at the UK keyboard..

backslash is near the z on the left

forward slash is near shift on the right

Journeyman Geek

8:32 AM

Yeah

Psycogeek

that is kinda cool

barlop

and typing cd\ is so easy

or cd \

Journeyman Geek

Actually, My 'perfect' keyboard is a UK keyboard with everything else in the US position ;p

(@ ~ and so on)

Psycogeek

Still use better placement of the * (asteric) for the cmdprompt keyboard :-)

Psycogeek

8:51 AM

"A system with UEFI will often be aware that the system had hibernated (having been notified so by the operating system) and bypass POST, instead proceeding directly to the bootloader." superuser.com/a/561390/98855 @dragonlord .

Journeyman Geek

he may not be around a while

Psycogeek

I think this single item in the whole good answer , seems incorrect? Cant bypass the hardwares POST (Power On Self Test) for the hardware, and he basically said that correctlly before, then put that statment in , that seems incorrect ?

Plus this isnt perfect either "the computer is physically turned off" It is more like LOGICally turned off :-) or as i like to say the computer is in the Off State, which really is the motheborads version of a standby :-)

The NICs on this new stuff like to stay powered, and the USB and the PS2 all like to stay powered.

The stuff now has so many standby states, they actually have them numbered :-) S-1 , S-3 etc

"The computer is put into an Off State, and can be physically and completly turned off too and still return from that state."

Psycogeek

9:27 AM

-1

Q: I need to reliably move lots (as in MILLIONS) of emails between Gmail accounts

I have three email accounts with Gmail that I need to 'merge' into one master Google Apps account. Currently the three inboxes are simply inboxes with around 4.5 million emails between them. There are no labels, folders, tags, contacts, or calendars etc. that I need to move - just the 4.5m email...

Years of fudged up mess, and improper archiving , and organisation, please help me fix it in 20 minutes , plus it is all out there on the web , but it is important :-)

What is next ? we need to print it all to take it to court :-)

Psycogeek

9:46 AM

If vrses snail mail they saved 5cents for paper and 25cents for stamps = 30cents per corresponance they could pay google 1million dollers to fix it for them , , , otherwise it was just spammy junk that should not have been sent anyways.

The Way Back Machine : "Electronic mail would save time and paper and . . . ." bla bla bla. When it always was going to be like this , now that it is mostly free we can splatter 100times as much stuff as before Weeeeeee.

Plus I get both now still, so when was that savings going to occur? I (myself) get the same ammount of snail mail today as before the revolution.

-Another Think Ahead-

0

Q: How can I quickly load google documents?

I have some larger (~30-100 pages) Google documents that I access many times per day. Currently, the one that's about 100 pages long takes roughly 30 seconds to load, despite having very few images. This long load time is inconvenient, so I would like to see if there is a way to decrease it. Coul...

google-drive

Like you didnt know that was going to happen when you started it out on the web like that :-) wonder how long it takes, and how much data $$$ it takes if your mobile? which would be a great purpose for having it there.

Psycogeek

10:22 AM

superuser.com/questions/926582/… <--spam

Journeyman Geek

Gone

Psycogeek

10:40 AM

My next keyboard , needs that key.

superuser.com/questions/926586/… <--- One of them things that looks like spam comes next. It seems odd to me that the only damaged files , are the ones that those spammers claim to fix.

Journeyman Geek

12:34 PM

hmm

HackToHell

Azure is freaking expensive

Journeyman Geek

;p

Lots of cloudy things are

I need to be more patient

is trying to push a 4gb file via rsync over to his server

Bob

1:45 PM

O_O

I... what

Journeyman Geek

lol

for some reason its a 200 gb file... whut?

Bob

(on second thoughts, that might be a tad too identifying :P)

Journeyman Geek

lol

ugh. I think I may need to redo the KVM install

I don't get why the disk image is actually 200gb ><

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ... ~~whitespace~~ ~~byte-for-byte copy~~ includes zeroed bytes?

Journeyman Geek

Shouldn't be ;p

Its a nearly fresh install and I could have sworn it was 40gb

Journeyman Geek

2:04 PM

*4

Bob

2:33 PM

heh blog.circleci.com/its-the-future

4

HackToHell

bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-paul-ford-what-is-code

tereško

2:49 PM

I found that whole post vaguely insulting

Journeyman Geek

hm

ncdu says the file is 6gb. cyberduck thinks its 200gb. rsync says ~15 hours to finish transferring

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HackToHell

3:07 PM

The Azure management portal has a fucking 10 mb javascript file

allquixotic

3:25 PM

Count Dooku died! :(

allquixotic

4:31 PM

@Bob incredible

Bob

@allquixotic I'm actually wondering if I should ignore LXD/LXC and just use systemd-nspawn

allquixotic

@Bob o.o

what's that?

Bob

@allquixotic Another way to get a container? :P

=> wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-nspawn

Very easy to use, but not as flexible.

Bob

4:50 PM

heh.

on btrfs (@allquixotic): groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/coreos-dev/NDEOXchAbuU

Canadian Luke

Anyone familiar with Canadian Privacy laws?

Bob

nup

tereško

.. and so it begins

Steam Summer Sale is on

allquixotic

5:18 PM

@Bob their choice of migrating back to ext4 is puzzling though

there are really no advantages to ext4 over xfs

xfs is better, plain and simple

it's the best filesystem out there that doesn't do checksums (I prefer filesystems that do data checksums, but for one that doesn't, xfs is hella good)

Bob

@tereško that game you wanted seems to be on flash sale now

tereško

@Bob yeah, with a 40% discount instead of 75%

yiipiii

allquixotic

I just had a weird thought: when launching a manned space mission, are the calculations so precise that the program administrators have to regulate the time of bowel movements for the manned crew, and make them "go" right before they get in the craft? To reduce weight and maximize delta-V?

considering that each pound of additional mass into space brings with it a ridiculously high cost (I forget the number exactly)

in KSP, I hear the voice of Gene Kerman going "auw-WAAAAH!" lol

tereško

also ... Steam is crashing internally

allquixotic

lol