Root Access

xCare

12:00 AM

@Hennes LOL

you guys must have an archive of that stuff handy -.-

Hennes

I knew it existed. So I just googled (well, DuckDuckGo'ed) on xkdc someone is wrong

xCare

good one

BootIce is portable, nice.

qasdfdsaq

12:36 AM

Yeah, and I posted the same one yesterday

Journeyman Geek

I think I'm going to play hooky from handling flags today ;p

qasdfdsaq

@xCare Bit racist to suggest being russian means it's malware. Some of the most useful tools I've downloaded are russian or came from russian websites

Journeyman Geek

Original software seems russian too

@qasdfdsaq fixed that with more neutral, and incidentally more correct language

xCare

@qasdfdsaq @JourneymanGeek impromptu edit, will be removed in my next edit, but ty for the heads up

Journeyman Geek

@xCare: FTFY

xCare

12:43 AM

er.. you got to it already, good thanks.

Insane

this is interesting. for a question about windows 10's start should the tag start-menu be used or should start-screen be used? or both because Windows 10 still uses tiles?

xCare

if it's about booting up, the latter.

Insane

what do you mean booting up?

qasdfdsaq

I was going to un-edit it too. Some of the versions are broken, and the others even warn you the file may contain viruses.

Michael Frank

@xCare Nope, the Start-screen tag is used for Windows 8+.

qasdfdsaq

12:44 AM

Other than they're out of date, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that link. The checksums match exactly with the same files downloaded from other "reputable" sources.

Michael Frank

Specifically for the start screen that appears when you press the start button.

qasdfdsaq

(The links don't all 404 out, some do work)

Insane

thats what I thought @MichaelFrank but now that windows 10 resembles more of the windows 7 "menu" i wasn't sure.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: I tried a few... ;p

couldn't be arsed to try them all.

qasdfdsaq

1.0.4 works

Insane

12:45 AM

it's like a hybrid

qasdfdsaq

Eh, I clicked 4 randomly, 2 worked, 2 didn't

Journeyman Geek

@Insane: Its start menu by default, and only that if its a PC

qasdfdsaq

like I say, even the newest version is 2 years out of date.

Journeyman Geek

If its a laptop, it may or may not let you do smart screen.

qasdfdsaq

But the checksums match => Site seems legit

Insane

12:47 AM

@JourneymanGeek I still don't have a clear answer though. Should I use both tags for Windows 10, just start-menu, or just start-screen?

qasdfdsaq

@Insane Are you talking about the start menu, or the start screen?

Journeyman Geek

@Insane: I'd say start menu

unless you run it in tablet mode

Insane

I don't. Okay thanks. (Side note I was under the assumption start-screen = the full screen metro interface when you press the start button on Windows 8/8.1)

Journeyman Geek

yup

windows 10 has 'metro' mode, iirc

Insane

ye you can make it a full screen start if you want

Michael Frank

12:49 AM

@Insane It is. If you click the on the tag, the description says exactly that.

"The Start Screen is the default Welcome page and Application Launcher in Windows-8. It is based on the Metro UI, features static or live content as Tiles, and search capabilities"

Insane

@MichaelFrank But it hasn't been updated since 10 came out.. Windows 10's start menu has the tiles described right there. So it's basically a hybrid. which is why I asked what we considered Windows 10.

either way, problem solved

qasdfdsaq

First thing I ever do on Windows 8+ is remove all those stupid tiles

Michael Frank

@Insane Microsoft define it as a Start Menu. windows.microsoft.com/en-nz/windows-10/…

Insane

On 10 it's actually kinda nice if you customize it yourself :P

qasdfdsaq

Every single one that's there, is useless to me. Every single thing I want... isn't there.

Michael Frank

12:52 AM

@Insane It took me waaaay too long to figure out how to get to the old "All programs" ._.

qasdfdsaq

On Windows 10, it doesn't actually exist

Insane

I don't even use "App Apps". When I want to find something I just search for it.

Michael Frank

You have 'All Apps', which is the replacement. But yea, it's no 'All Programs'.

Journeyman Geek

speaking of stupid tiles...

qasdfdsaq

Thank god Stardock are still around: stardock.com/products/start10

Journeyman Geek

12:55 AM

I distinctly remember being able to install classic menu for a single user...

wasn't able to do it the last time.

Insane

@qasdfdsaq Do start 8 users get a free upgrade? If not fdaat. I'm content ;)

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: poor stardock. MS steals all their ideas ;p

qasdfdsaq

Eh, it's 5 bucks

less than a coffee where I work

Insane

Hey that's two coffee's at tim hortons man

qasdfdsaq

Then again $20 drinks at bars isn't that unusual around here

Two stops on the bus is like $4. So in comparison, Start10 is well worth it :P

Insane

12:57 AM

xD

qasdfdsaq

Not least because getting on the bus doesn't give you the satisfaction of going "Haha FU Microsoft"

Unless it's a bus with a smart display showing a Windows bluescreen.

Journeyman Geek

This happens

qasdfdsaq

But I digress

Journeyman Geek

NOT as epic as the blue pillars of death.

qasdfdsaq

:D wasn't expecting that

Was thinking more of the bus that killed two passengers running into a pillar down south recently >_>

(yes they were blue)

Insane

12:59 AM

@JourneymanGeek The pillars might actually look pretty cool if it was Windows 8+'s BSOD. Nice clean font and a light blue background ya'know

And "collecting information", ah yes

Journeyman Geek

@Insane don't forget :(

Insane

LOL

qasdfdsaq

God I'm such a morose person

Recycle Bin

windows 7 doesnt even differentiate a disabled button well from a enabled button - another reason why it sucks

they both look the same, everything is ugly

Insane

I force myself to like new Windows versions. (Vista was an exception)

Journeyman Geek

1:01 AM

lol

I like windows 8. It got me my first SSD ;p

Insane

I got made fun of in high school for using Windows 8. It was hilarious

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Windows 8 got me my SU T-shirt. :P

qasdfdsaq

Star Trek Online doesn't differentiate between a disabled button and an enabled button, or a button that doesn't do what the icon says, or a button that randomly clicks other buttons elsewhere on your screen including hidden buttons that aren't even supposed to be available on that screen.

Oh man I feel old... when I was at high school Windows XP hadn't even come out

Recycle Bin

same

XP was and still is the best

Journeyman Geek

I have windows 95. On 25 floppies.

Insane

1:03 AM

I have Windows 25. On 95 floppies.

qasdfdsaq

...

Swapping multiple floppies just to boot the Windows installer... oh the old technologies I will never miss...

USB 3 boot disks + SSDs = finish installing a 20GB copy of windows before your old 20MB copy has even booted to the setup menu.

Insane

Is it worth posting a question about something that's not working in Windows 10's start menu if there are alternate ways to access the function without the start menu? Does that make sense?

qasdfdsaq

Yes

Insane

Alright

qasdfdsaq

Providing of course it's something that's actually meant to work, and useful

Insane

1:08 AM

Oh it's meant to work

qasdfdsaq

Which I don't see any differently to "Is it worth posting a question about something that doesn't work in Windows if you can do it on Linux"

Insane

0

Q: Start Menu in Windows 10 suddenly closes when right clicking on username

When you right click on your username in Windows 10, at least for me, the whole Start Menu suddenly closes (by either waiting around or moving your mouse around. you also can't click on anything or it closes even faster.) Why this is happening is beyond me. I know I could sign out using +X or sw...

I love ShareX for it's ability to easily make GIFs

qasdfdsaq

Yeah I've seen people post similar things lately, it's so very very very useful

Journeyman Geek

That's a bit annoying.

Insane

My question?

It's messing with my OCD.

qasdfdsaq

1:11 AM

It's annoying cause I don't even know where to start with it :P

Journeyman Geek

lol, and the fact that I need to remove the palmrest to remove the ram on my old thinkpads

also, can't reproduce ;p

0_0

I didn't realise old thinkpads had essentially solid metal chassis

Insane

:P

Journeyman Geek

Now to decide whether to steal the ram from the R60 for the R61, or leave it as a spare.

qasdfdsaq

RAM is overrated. Memristors FTW

Journeyman Geek

1:26 AM

lol

These are really old machines.

(I'm basically trying to install windows 10 into the r60 for giggles. To do that I grabbed the ram from the R61, temporarily since its below spec)

then move the ram back and see if it spazzes ;p

qasdfdsaq

Does it refuse to install with too little RAM?

Journeyman Geek

yup ;p

(minimum for x86 is 1gb. this has 512mb)

qasdfdsaq

What's the minimum then, out of curiousity?

Ah

Journeyman Geek

2gb for 64 bit

qasdfdsaq

Install it in a VM and do a reverse P2V on it :-P

Journeyman Geek

1:30 AM

but this essentially is a spare machine I might at worst run nomachine client

lol

I'm not feeling too hot. Working with hardware cheers me up ;p

qasdfdsaq

Yeah I can spend entire weekends fiddling with the insides of my PC aimlessly

Journeyman Geek

lol

I need to work out why my old monitor's dead next.

qasdfdsaq

"Oh that watercooling tube doesn't have a perfect 90-degree bend with 4" bend radius? Let's tear it apart and replumb the whole thing! Again!"

Journeyman Geek

lol

my last major upgrade was the 980ti ;)

qasdfdsaq

Tsk. I have a watercooled 970

Due for an upgrade methinks

That said my last graphics card was a 5870, and that held out for nearly six years without an upgrade

Journeyman Geek

1:33 AM

(bought it right after the 4K display)

I had a 660, great card

qasdfdsaq

6 years being a looooong time for a piece of gaming hardware to stay relevant

Journeyman Geek

ended up selling it to someone who needed a new card

rofl

8800 man.

Base reference card for many games

DESPITE the 8000 family's tendancy to drop dead in interesting ways.

qasdfdsaq

See I had the 5870 so long that so many different generations of cards went by that I knew nothing about.

Journeyman Geek

10

Q: Is it normal for a Dell Inspiron 530 to have is fan to spin up 3 times before it POSTS?

I picked up an used Dell 530 desktop. It seems to work, but it has an odd pattern of powering up the case fan (which might be faulty - it sounds like a jet engine) 3 times, while blinking the power light. No other fan seems to activate during the time, and it goes silent after that. I'm wonderi...

boot fan

qasdfdsaq

Basically everything from the GeForce 2xx to 7xx I knew nothing about, cause I had no reason to keep up to date with GPUs during that time

Insane

1:35 AM

What ever happened to the Late Answers review queue? I seem to remember it used to have a lot of answers in there but now it's constantly less than 5

Journeyman Geek

lol

loooool

qasdfdsaq

Being late is no longer fashionable

Journeyman Geek

@Insane: there was a flood of ~~questions~~ new entries

We... did the needful.

Insane

I see I see. I always hit 20 first posts reviews but never get my hands on any late answers reviews. Bummer

Journeyman Geek

Sorry ;p

qasdfdsaq

1:36 AM

I see like 4-5 every time I check...

Insane

I see like 0-2

lol

Journeyman Geek

(I was ploughing through something like 100+ late answers posts a day at one point)

Insane

Mods no limits ;) ?

Journeyman Geek

No, but we can get review banned.

(and unban ourselves. Which I didn't realise the two times it happened ._.)

Insane

LOL

Is it an auto ban I assume?

Journeyman Geek

1:39 AM

Yeah

Insane

ah

Journeyman Geek

lol

If any mod had to ban me, they'd take my (not literal) mod hat away

I do think I'd get to keep the literal mod hat.

qasdfdsaq

They give you a hat? Nice.

All I got was this T-shirt.

... not

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: 2 tshirts, and a hat, and some stickers.

I'm at like 2 SU T shirts, the windows 8 one, an AU tshirt, an SF T shirt, and a hoodie.

Tho the hoodie's probably going to get retired for my avengers VFX team one, or the ant man one when I get it.

qasdfdsaq

No sticker for me :( just a mod message saying "You don't deserve stickers".

Journeyman Geek

1:41 AM

lol

I want a T-Shirt

mods don't do that

This sucks

community team does.

They told me I was rude. That's equivalent to "You no get sticker" in my book, and in some people's books equivalent to "Santa aint giving you nowt this year"

Insane

1:42 AM

(Wait really though how do I get a T-Shirt)

Journeyman Geek

@Insane: Be awesome. ;p

Insane

:(

Journeyman Geek

So...

No promises but there's a few ways, most of which don't apply any more.

1) get to the last stage of an election

2) early on, be on the first page of a new site, but I donno if that was an SU thing

3) win it in a competition (but we've not had one for a while)

They used to have a SU swag store but it was too much work to keep running.

Insane

so basically 1) not feasible 2) not possible 3) not likely

/cry

Journeyman Geek

sorry :/

qasdfdsaq

1:46 AM

4) Steal one from someone who already has one

Journeyman Geek

lol

Insane

shh @qasdfdsaq

im already on it

qasdfdsaq

(I'm bundling blackmailing in with stealing btw)

Journeyman Geek

lol

If I somehow get another SU T shirt, I'll see about giving it away.

Insane

cough XL cough

Journeyman Geek

1:47 AM

No promises

@Insane: that's my size anyway.

Insane

>:)

2 hours ago, by tereško

Journeyman Geek

The Older shirts were nicer tho

qasdfdsaq

And you know what they say about men with big t-shirts...

Journeyman Geek

Also if you are lucky enough to get a shirt...

get black if you can

Not an option on all sites, but especially with the current base shirts, its a lot better.

Insane

definitely black.

qasdfdsaq

1:55 AM

Anyone getting a Microsoft Surface Book?

Journeyman Geek

not yet

;p

Its on my radar tho

brcolow

2:20 AM

Does anyone know if it is possible to get OpenSSL 1.0.2 on Ubuntu 12.04 (precise?)

Journeyman Geek

2:32 AM

is that an older oe newer version?

DragonLord

0

Q: Keyboard and Monitor in Laptop Format

Am interested in a keyboard and monitor that can be used in conjunction with a Chrome Box, while seated at a sofa. Something like a laptop with only keyboard/monitor function and no CPU.Does such exist? Can the Raspberry Pi Laptop be customized for such application?

display

I'd just suggest VNC at this point.

Journeyman Geek

hardware request?

windows 10 on 512mb is hilariously slow

DragonLord

Now where do you find a VNC server for Chrome OS?

Chrome OS devices are ARM-based, so this isn't going to be trivial.

Journeyman Geek

you use chrome remote desktop.

DragonLord

I can't find a Chrome OS server for that, either.

Bob

2:40 AM

And that is why locked down software sucks.

Journeyman Geek

erm

CRD will run on chromeos i believe

DragonLord

Hmm... seems this is possible.

2

Q: VNC access to Chromebook?

My grandmother is beginning to use a computer soon. We are giving her a chromebook so that it will be easier to keep the settings right, and not get lost. However, for support purposes, and helping set up new things like bookmarks, plugins, and so forth, we want to set up remote control of the c...

remote-desktop google-chrome-os chromebook

HackToHell

3:00 AM

Battery life is bad

But then they have this mode where you can disable wakelocks

Journeyman Geek

3:11 AM

rofl

(yes. I am ENTIRELY AWARE this is under recommended specifications)

Clear question with examples

3:38 AM

What's the best tag for mandatory access control?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It's under minimum requirements. I'm amazed it even installed.

Clear question with examples

[access-control]

Recycle Bin

damn VM takes ages to turn on caps lock when typing

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: technically... it didn't ;p

I upped the ram, installed it, then removed the ram

Bob

o.O

Journeyman Geek

3:56 AM

rofl

it occationally freezes halfway through the pre-login shade too.

(Seriously folks. Its a desktop OS, WHY DO I NEED TO FAKE SWIPE?)

Clear question with examples

Why is Windows used?

Journeyman Geek

at all?

or here?

Oh, I wanted to test a theory I had about clean upgrades

Clear question with examples

Why do you use it?

Journeyman Geek

hm

I game. It does what I want it to do.

I only really need one linux box

It comes with almost all my PCs so I tend to keep it around.

Clear question with examples

Yea that bundling is weird

Journeyman Geek

4:02 AM

I'm not an idologically correct user.

do I need more reasons?

In this case

I want to see the effects of a mundane regular USB key as readyboost for a sub optimal system config

Clear question with examples

People using windows just to make fun of the weirdness

Journeyman Geek

as well as see, not too scientifically if disabling services actually helps.

on the contrary

Recycle Bin

XKCD

After meeting with a few of the subjects, the IRB actually recommended that you stop stressing out so much about safety guidelines.

Recycle Bin

^ something win 7 cannot do ^

Journeyman Geek

4:09 AM

@Clearquestionwithexamples: MS sells more OSes, and at a cheaper rate.

Until recently they essentially had the market

and well your choices are 1) niche systems 2) chromebooks 3) windows

Bob

@Clearquestionwithexamples Because it's easy and it works. I've lost count of the hours I've spent trying to get some resemblance of sanity out of certain OpenSUSE and Kubuntu installs.

Journeyman Geek

and I bought a chromebook class system with windows since I could run linux on it in future

Bob

@RecycleBin Good for you.

It's so useful that I've never even seen that window before.

Journeyman Geek

I don't even know what that is ;p

Bob

(Rephrased: what on earth are you even trying to point out?)

I mean, if you're going to look for every obscure feature -- sure, you'll probably find something deprecated/removed in more recent OS versions.

If you actually want to do something specific, then say it -- there's probably a better-supported modern way of doing so.

Granted, there are cases where the process for doing so can be quite complex.

But until you say what exactly this is, it's impossible to know if this is one of them.

Clear question with examples

4:16 AM

Deter people from posting train of thought wall of texts

Recycle Bin

it adds GPO's and other things for a certain subnet

Bob

Subset? Subnet?

Recycle Bin

subnetwork

I better go sleep, its like 5 am

but ill be back in 5 mins

Bob

shrug I'm almost completely certain that's still doable.

Of all the things that have changed in modern Windows OSes, group policies have probably changed the least. The backwards compat there is insane.

Win7 is completely happy to run on a 2003 domain functional level.

Recycle Bin

8 has many useful things removed

Clear question with examples

4:33 AM

Retag selinux and access-control to mandatory-access-control?

Journeyman Geek

no

There's other ways to do MAC

and other forms of access control

Leathe

5:17 AM

for some reason I keep typing "service" automatically as "services"

had to edit my post like 3 times because I kept finding that silly s at the end of the word

Journeyman Geek

lol

Tested's got reviews for the surface pro 4 and surface pro book

youtu.be/UBF3EreWIm8 surface book and youtu.be/-jGSOX2-G6M SP4

Leathe

anything interesting? :P

youtube is blocked at work ;P

Journeyman Geek

Oh, just a review, and they seem positive

Maybe I'll buy one when I'm employed again ;p

Essentially awesome keyboard, pretty light, SB has a awesome screen...

And apparently there's a baseline model with nvidia now

Also looks like you can swap the bases between SB models

hmm

I'd like some nitpicking on an answer

0

A: How do you get your public IP address through the Windows command line?

You can't. Why? There's no clear definition of a 'public ip address'. I'd note the answer's a massive abstraction, good enough to explain my point, but riddled with minor holes. Feel free to comment on big ones (so I can plug them). Essentially, all a public ip address is is an address on a subn...

Leathe

5:52 AM

@JourneymanGeek how does that differ between dynamic and static IP:s then? Or is it completely irrelevant when it comes to public IP addresses?

Journeyman Geek

@Leathe: completely irrelevant

So...

My ISP owns a block of IP addresses

they can choose to 1) use DHCP to randomly assign IP addresses 2) use them statically

however as far as another host is concerned, an ip address is an ip address.

Leathe

that's what I thought

Journeyman Geek

There's higher level routing things tho

or is that lower level...

essentially tho, a system only needs to know the next hop and destination

Leathe

so basically, let's say when it comes to static IP addresses, only the ISP needs to know that it's static and that it's this specific computer/system/server/whatevertheFAUSDJOWA?

since any system looking for an IP address is just making a query to find out where the IP is, if I say for example try to SSH into a new server I just bought and got a static IP on it

and if it can't find it, it goes all the way up to the root server, which then knows where it's coming from

err, and by "and if it can't find it" I mean the first name server

Journeyman Geek

6:34 AM

yup

Actually we can do this at the home level

Most of my systems use DHCP - so they're assigned a ip address by dhcp

I could however reserve a dhcp range, then set one of those ip addresses on the router.

Or not and risk ip address crashes

however to another system, whether or not its static dosen't matter

all that matters is that when it asks "who is 192.168.0.11" something responds.

your router or switch need to be aware of this I guess

but buuuut

you can run a network between two systems with static ip addresses

or just a dumb switch

Leathe

Is this where I put on my tinfoil hat?

0

Q: windows 8.1 E-mails are hacked or controlled by other

E-MAIL is compromised. Send emails to family ok. All others to aclu or law enforcement or about work. Never get to there destination. Or are answered with nonsense. Windows 8.1 Using g-mail then started cox email. Does not show sent or email arrives but does not open. Not going to spam either.

email

I'm slightly tempted to comment something using Zalgo text, just to freak him out a bit

Journeyman Geek

7:00 AM

Tempted to close it really ;p

Journeyman Geek

7:25 AM

not quite homework but...

1

Q: Why did he assume 1024 = 1000?

Every host in an IPv4 network has a 1-second resolution real-time clock with battery backup. Each host needs to generate up to 1000 unique identifiers per second. Assume that each host has a globally unique IPv4 address. Design a 50-bit globally unique ID for this purpose. After what p...

networking ip-address hosts ipv4

Seems a mite bit strange

Oliver Salzburg

3

Valuable feedback right there!

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Bob

8:15 AM

@OliverSalzburg lol

Bob

8:45 AM

...

And once again I'm reminded of why I don't use Norton.

While trying to back up files from a computer with Norton on it => it goes and scans everything on the backup drive, in the background (absolutely killing performance in the process) => it "detects" a "hacktool" as 'high risk" (because of course there's no way I intentionally put that there -- turns out it doesn't like some particular packed files and also doesn't like some Android root exploits that might just have legitimate purposes) and auto-quarantines it.

Did I mention it's inside a TAR archive? And the quarantine somehow involves removing it from said archive? And that the restore process just dumps the file somewhere, leaving a broken archive??

Any "antivirus" that effectively automatically destroys data with no warning is an antivirus program I want absolutely nothing to do with.

Psycogeek

What could be so hard about having a option to have the program ask first. norton is more for average people who dont have exploits and hacks on thier system , , on purpose :-)

Bob

I can't even fix the damn thing because I haven't got a clue where it was inside the archive -- it was a Nandroid backup of an old phone.

Psycogeek

9:01 AM

my net went down :-O first time in a long time (when the ISP itself disconnects). It was out for almost 5 minutes , i was thinking "does this mean I might have to Git A Life"?

Leathe

git clone --bare life.git

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Bob: Some things never change XDXDXD

Bob

@DragonLord ^ there's an example of why I don't trust Norton. It happened today.

:24892973 The curiosity, it burns! :P

Oliver Salzburg

9:33 AM

I prefer a virus over anti-virus software on my computer

Journeyman Geek