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1:43 AM
@Boris_yo Vault Toys :-)
 
2:04 AM
how could 2 guys (arguably, 3) be so stupid that they don't know how to get out of a stall???
 
@allquixotic: cause they were stupid enough to get into one?
man
I've done 2 linux installs this week
probably doing a third at some point
 
2:53 AM
@allquixotic: chances are... in a few years you'll find it on phones ;p
 
now if they would put that on smart phones, all you would need is a Cart to haul the smart phone.
 
The material, not bullet proof glass ;p
which is a composite anyway
 
3:10 AM
@JourneymanGeek AlON is ridiculously heavy.
 
@allquixotic: >_>
 
if they managed to develop faster polishing machines so it wouldn't take months to create each smartphone's screen, it could be viable for phones, and it might help with durability, but it sure as shit wouldn't help with weight
 
@allquixotic: I was thinking durability, not weight
 
and Samsung or Apple would be tempted to make the whole thing out of it since it's more durable than most opaque materials they use in smartphones today
 
@allquixotic: not quite. Apple, maybe
Samsung loves their cheap, shiny polycarbonates so much
virtu might love it
 
3:12 AM
you'd have a 2 pound phone that you could see the innards of :P
no case needed though. throw it on the ground. it doesn't care.
 
@allquixotic: o0
I did some testing yesterday. I have the perfect place to put a projector. Only its right where I have a shelf where the projector shines.
@allquixotic: so its would be like the overweight honey badger of phones?
 
@JourneymanGeek I'd still buy it, but the weight of the material would push the phone's weight far beyond the densities that people are used to when dealing with common objects
we just don't ever actually hold or lift objects that have that much mass per volume
 
XD
I have once ;p
(bar of gold. Odd story that.)
 
mostly because there aren't really any naturally occurring things that are that dense, except things like uranium ore
oh yeah, bars of gold are ridiculously heavy
but a bar of gold isn't in its natural form; it's been processed
cavemen probably never held anything as dense as a bar of gold even if they encountered a gold vein in rock
 
gold is about as dense as you get... without irradiating yourself I think
maybe lead.
@allquixotic: a gold nugget might be, gold is usually found in fairly pure form in nature. Its just a pain in the ass to process as dust.
 
3:21 AM
a 17" laptop with AlON screen would weigh like 30 pounds
 
XD
@allquixotic: the glass on the screen would be thin tho
we're not talking quarter inch bullet proof stuff
 
they can't make it too thin because it becomes brittle and easily shattered
 
ahh
blah
 
it's pretty worthless below a minimum thickness roughly near the typical thickness you'd expect of good quality glass
it doesn't have to be 3 inches thick like bulletproof armor for a laptop, but it wouldn't be micrometers thin or anything like that
 
XD
Alas, I know oddly little about material science ;p
 
3:25 AM
neither do I, but this is a rather extreme form of ceramic material we're talking about
the weird thing is that it's translucent or opaque when they first take the stuff out of the "kiln" (1500 C furnace)
it's not a "glass" at all until they have polished it using polishing tools that make a fingernail file seem as abrasive as running an M1 Abrams tank's track over your tongue at 5000 rpm
it doesn't start to look transparent until they've peeled off just enough atoms to hit the light waves at just the right point in their wave pattern
 
3:42 AM
I polished glass once in shop class at school.... I remember the polishing wheel was very very smooth to the touch, and yet at high speed it could do a remarkable job to turn scratchy, foggy glass into clear glass
 
4:23 AM
If i get a (external charge) battery pack that uses Tubes (for the boost curcuit) will my MP3s sound better?
 
4:39 AM
When cars can drive themselves , what will we call them? Automobiles?
4
 
5:16 AM
@Psycogeek: you need magic rocks too
 
@allquixotic heh... got two triple kills in 3 minutes, then they surrendered! :P
 
5:55 AM
 
6:14 AM
anyone know a IRC channel similiar to the topics here?
 
Not really. We've occasionally toyed with starting one tho ;p
 
:)
would be nice to have when Im on this farm1.static.flickr.com/44/153225000_698c62c38a.jpg
 
6:40 AM
Lol
 
you need the PACM (post apocalypse chat module)
 
People keep asking about irc/chat gateways
I wouldn't mind one. I've been on some epically horrid connections in the past
 
Psycogeek, wheres that from?
 
it does not exist, people only think of these things when it is to late. Do Ham radio guys have a frequency they would intend to use in a blackout emergency kind of thing?
 
most of those guys probably see the apocalypse coming
... :D
 
6:46 AM
Yea, you can see the use of old school long range RF being applied in some post movies. but there are sooo many frequencies, a person could spend the entire year looking for something like SETI
 
I was on vacation in Spain a couple weeks back, random taxi we got in, dude was a HAM radio freak, chatter and buzzing the whole time, hes communicating with all sorts of people about so much weird stuff.... taking notes and stuff
that was his hobby while driving the cab
maybe actually thats the perfect hobby for that line of work
 
if the net crashes we should all have a emergency P2P wi-fi thousand hops device for re-connecting to "our loved ones".
Just switch it on and the local channels drop the security , and become relay channels for text only communications.
(or some such thing)
without the dns (machines aiding in human conversions), you would have to have a lits of IP (or mac) addresses that you wanted to reach?
 
maybe after the apocalypse we can finally go green
solar power, wind mills, ocean wave power
we just have to go nuclear first, or z day
or e day
 
lots of people could jump off the grid easily, many neighbors around here have enough solar already to run the whole neighborhood , in a highly conservational way.
 
run to the nearest big corporation building, grab all cisco ip phones, some switches, a server, solar power it and your small post-apocalyptic community has phones
now you just need to connect to the next nearest small settlement
 
7:01 AM
it only takes about 3'x3' of solar collection space to have simple LED lighting , small screen entertainment and some sort of wi-fi running. leaving burning up or freezing (heaters and AC), and food storage a bit of a problem.
@Erik pull off a few "dish" parabolias off some houses and setup a well aimed jump for longer distances (say every 20mi)
If the net went down, there would be millions of available man-hours to exploit to get it running again :-) think how much can get done without netflix and youtube :-)
heck if it wasnt for computers (and the bugs especially) we could be on another planet by now.
??? once bitten twice dead.
cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm# <-- kid you not from the actual CDC at the actual .gov website
 
Bob
7:22 AM
@allquixotic I haven't watched that one yet
But weren't the instruments completely stuffed?
Would've been confusing.
 
 
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8:39 AM
@Psycogeek Vault City's toys?
Let me complement that with this application: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sixtostart.zombiesrun&hl=en

And say "Train while you can!"
@Psycogeek Do you see anything special in this one? amazon.com/PREMIUM-Wine-Opener-Countertop-Satisfaction/dp/…
 
 
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9:45 AM
purchase req but...
can you say raid of SSDs?
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Q: Optimal Hard drive Setup - Unlimited funds

RasmusI have 5 slots for harddrives in my computer. How can I achieve the optimal setup for read performance. The system should preferably tolerate one disc loss without loosing data. (of course the disc should be replaced. The disc space requirement is roughly 1TB, no less, but we assume unlimite...

 
"Unlimited" you say...
 
meh, all you need is 1tb ssds in raid 5, 6 or 10
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek He only needs 1 TB of space => RAID 1 for max redundancy :D
 
(or get a desktop with over a terabyte of ram...)
@Bob: he also wants performance tho.
 
Bob
or 2TB SSDs
 
9:53 AM
@Bob: yeah. Unlimited funds ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek look at it this way, a single SSD will saturate SATA3 anyway
 
maybe short stroke the SSDs for better reliability ;p
 
Bob
also, read performance, not write
 
@Bob: I was thinking about PCI, and raid cards
 
Bob
RAID 1 with a proper card (or software RAID?) can multiply read perf
 
9:54 AM
and its a horrible question and y'all should throw closevotes at it ;p
 
Bob
it can (theoretically) read faster than RAID 5
 
@Bob: Ahh...
blah
The other day I was looking for power cords.
None. I kept finding VGA cables
Today I look for VGA cables.
Guess what I find?
Power cords.
 
Bob
XD
> Ever wanted to know how to change your SSH port on your VPS?
In this post we explain how to do exactly that! We also give some other tips on what you could change in your SSH configuration to help secure your system.
...!!no
 
10:23 AM
gee
what could go wrong?
(everything!)
Though you might be able to get in using an emergency console
 
Bob
10:37 AM
@JourneymanGeek it's more that one of the VPS providers I was using just sent that as a newsletter
 
Tubercide (todays new word)
 
@Boris_yo Would they have one with a little more adventure a little less running? I need one that says "walk casually to your next destination, as to not arouse any zombies"
 
10:56 AM
@Psycogeek Zombies Walk? This could be a neat idea for developer - learn to walk sneakily to not attract zombies. Smartphone sensors know when you sneak properly and when not. When done wrong - Zombies Run application takes control and user must run again.
 
Perfect, also you could have it know how long it has been since you had a bath/shower to know how easily spotted you will be (not smelling like a rotting corpse).
 
@Psycogeek You must smell like rotting corpse to be seen as part of zombies.
 
and how long you sleep each nite, and what you had to drink, to tell if your eyes are bloodshot and your walking straight (or not).
Zombie look alike asssessment 56% chance to have to run 78% .
If i run 15 miles in a day , i would achieve 89% zombie apperance and smell, Get extra perks in the progam.
 
11:20 AM
@Psycogeek And lose weight too.
NWO is concerned about environment quality?
 
No point taking over the world if there's nothing left of it at the end.
 
NWO is only concerned with Global harmony, so it is important to use Globally Harmonized Toxic chemicals.
 
blah
this sucks. Apparently centos 7 dosen't play nice with most of my liveusb tools
 
11:45 AM
@Psycogeek Harmony is emphasized here
 
 
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Bob
2:37 PM
!!!
wtf samsung
> None of the Australian carriers have received Android 4.4.x submissions from Samsung for the S4 yet. Hopefully by the end of this month they should.
@allquixotic ^
> And by the looks of things, the SGS4 won't receive the update until September, at the earliest - almost a full year since KitKat's debut.
 
@Boris_yo I have bought it, because I thought it was a cool idea, but it includes actual physical exercise. so far it's been five wasted dollars, who'd've thought... .___.
 
Bob
> This is what happens when you release a new model every second day, supporting them becomes a nightmare.
uh no?
Nokia has far more different models than Samsung, and haven't had any problems supporting them
Samsung just sucks.
 
Windows has far waaaay more models than any other small computer smartphone and updates arrive globally, universally.
Why can't it work for smartphones just the same?
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy: cause PCs are a standard platform
and no one but MS decides when stuff gets released
 
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy ...no, they don't, have you seen the delays to get proper driver support?
Win8 came out. HP released updated drivers for my laptop many months later.
Though there wasn't a country-based delay there, that's more because countries tend to have different regulations for mobile devices.
 
2:44 PM
@Bob ahhh
 
Bob
Even then, the way Samsung has handled this so far stinks of "no one's working on it" more than "too many regulations to cope with"
Other manufacturers had no problem
Makes me wonder if Samsung has a single guy working on each country's release sequentially.
@ThatBrazilianGuy The other difference is, computers are more open. Even if there is no officially working driver, you're free to install a potentially-broken OS update and try to fix it yourself. Worst case, you can reinstall. No bricking.
Phones? I'd love to do that, but that's a great way to void a warranty.
 
Yeah, I hadn't taken into account the fact that in the PC model the OS isn't attached to the drivers, and for smartphones is more like a blackbox.
The drivers implement the abstraction between the PC OS and the multitude of different hardware configurations
I... actually never actively thought about it
I just always assumed smartphone makers were mean capitalists
(which they are)
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy: basically each smartphone model is a bespoke device
with a PC, you assume wierd shit would be done
 
!!define bespoke
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy bespoke (archaic) simple past tense and past participle of bespeak
 
2:51 PM
!!orlmente
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
Hell, apparently I can swap a mini pci-e network card for 2 more sata ports ;p
@ThatBrazilianGuy: "custom made to fit"
also
entirely related
 
Bob
> Android updates have gotten a little faster over the last two years, at least if you invest in a flagship smartphone from a major company.
!!no
 
> You know, there was some other huge platform that handled the update problem much more gracefully than Android. What was it called, again?
 
Bob
2:53 PM
My Nokia N8 got updates far faster than any Android device I've seen.
And my dodgy i9100G S2 got updates faster than my i9505 S4
it's getting worse
 
NOT to mention that in any ways each and every arm processor model is pretty much unique ;p
and there's mutiple iterations
 
> The x86 PC is a platform. Chips not only share the same instruction set, but they connect to standard controllers and peripherals using standard buses and interfaces.
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy: this
 
So... The solution to Android is Project Ara / Phonebloks / modular smartphones + a driver model?
 
Arm dosen't even have one standard ISA
it has 3-4 and varients
 
Bob
2:55 PM
@JourneymanGeek To be fair, neither does x86.
There's a base x86 ISA (i386, and more recently i586/i686 are considered the base), but there's new instructions constantly being introduced.
 
@Bob: true, but its not as confusing as Arm
I had an article I'd link, but I read it on the other computer, and I REALLY ought to get firefox sync set up
 
@JourneymanGeek readability.com <3
 
Bob
> Months from KitKat launch to device update
> Galaxy S4, 3.7 months
uh, no. I'm looking more at \infinity months here
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy: I didn't realise it would be interesting! ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Heh. Private sync server? :P
 
2:58 PM
@JourneymanGeek or Evernote Clearly addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/clearly
 
Bob
It's surprisingly painless. I just set up a 1.5 sync server last week.
 
@Bob: at some point, yes
 
(I like clearly more because it stores the content)
 
Bob
Heck, if you trust me, you can sync to mine... but that's a lot of trust
I believe they do encrypt the data with your account password, though
 
@Bob: I can probably throw one on my home server
 
Bob
2:59 PM
@JourneymanGeek Eh, I'm outside my home network often enough, especially on mobile, that a stable server and connection is significant
 
@Bob: or my VPSes
 
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy I've been using Pocket/ReadItLater for a while. But it's not the same thing as sync.
Especially when you consider mobile browser support.
@JourneymanGeek See: stable :P
My BuyVM VPS is currently up 20 days :\
I'm not sure why it restarted, actually.
But I'm not running anything important on it, so meh.
hm
I never did get around to migrating ajaxplorer
 
@Bob: I'm currently in the process of rebuilding my mini itx box
I could throw on a sync server on my brix tho
 
.
@Bob the vertical speed indicator, derived from the pitot tube readings, was stuffed; but the altitude measurements were still accurate.... they could see their plane falling at 10,000 feet per minute... any sane pilot would want to get lift in that situation, not minimize lift by reducing air speed and putting the nose up
 
3:15 PM
ah hah!
@Bob @ThatBrazilianGuy ^
er
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek dat url
> nvidia-tegra-qualcomm-snapdragon-apple-samsung-exynos
 
Bob
> 20nm 14nm
you wish
 
@JourneymanGeek good article.
 
Bob
> Dual Cortex-A15 + Dual Cortex-A7 big.LITTLE system estimate in 32/28nm compared to a dual-Cortex-A9 system estimate in 40nm
Not the most accurate :\
I wonder how much work it would've been to shrink a Cortex-A9 to a smaller fab size.
 
3:29 PM
wait, what? 32? 40? are we talking about 2014, here?
 
not really
many phone processors are fabbed in pretty large process sizes
 
Bob
@allquixotic I believe that slide came from 2012-2013?
@JourneymanGeek kinda ironic, considering...
 
2011 or earlier
 
Bob
which is also why Intel's new phone SoCs have a massive advantage already
(but a disadvantage in experience and maybe instruction set)
> Nobody really knows how Apple managed to design and ship an ARMv8 chip so quickly. But it did, and is milking the marketing for all it's worth by claiming to offer the first desktop-class 64-bit chip for its phones and tablets.
 
> Sorry, this app is not supported on your architecture.
 
Bob
3:31 PM
..
 
@Bob: intel's pretty much optimising the hell out of their stack tho
 
Bob
"desktop-class"
"for its phones and tablets"
 
Bob
!!no
 
3:31 PM
@Bob: its the other way around
 
Bob
Pretty sure a Celeron will smoke it.
 
The processor in my brix is a tablet class celeron ;p
 
@Bob they call it "desktop-class" because actually affordable Mac hardware is so gimped that its performance actually approaches that :P
 
@allquixotic: there's afforable mac hardware? ;p
 
wouldn't be surprised if Cookie and his gang of profiteering hipsters announce next year that they are intentionally reducing performance of Macbooks, Macbook Pros and iMacs, and somehow spin this as a good thing
 
Bob
3:33 PM
@allquixotic All these idiots claiming their phone/tablet is as powerful as a laptop or, god forbid, desktop... come back when you can have 1000+ tabs open without something crashing (I'm aware that's mostly RAM, but show me an ARM tablet with 8 GB of RAM)
As it is, ARM chips are good for power efficiency and, therefore, distributed workloads. They're pretty useless in sequential performance when compared to typical Haswell processors.
 
Bob
> With the 64-bit Cyclone, Apple showed all chip makers, including Intel, that it's serious about making powerful processors.
Meanwhile, Intel laughs at them and tells them to try again in 5 years.
 
@Bob "get the real iPhone experience with iPhone-like performance on your Mac Pro! Now a quad-core ARM64 capable of doing anything an iPhone can do, for only $15,000 in the Mac Pro!"
"FY2015 Mac Pro now shipping with enhanced trash can form factor so you are more likely to mistake it for something to spit loogies into!"
 
Bob
> the Cyclone architecture is much wider, managing to handle up to six instructions at once (compared to three for Krait and Swift)
I do wonder what "six instructions at once" is supposed to mean
 
@Bob pipeline depth maybe? or is it some kind of hyperthreading?
 
Bob
3:38 PM
@allquixotic Well, if they actually mean at once, then that would imply mulithreading in some way, whether physical cores or just hardware threads.
But, as we all know, multithreading is generally pretty useless unless a program makes use of it.
 
@Bob you don't have to declare separate execution threads at the OS level to achieve parallelism on a physical processor
hardware has no concept of "thread"; threads are managed by the kernel scheduler
there is instruction-level parallelism, and data parallelism
 
"six instructions at once" -> increased "issue width"
 
it's possible but difficult to "glean" the former from code that is purportedly single-thread
the latter would lend itself to a VLIW architecture, but you have a GPU for that
(or at least SIMD)
 
A given core might have a FPU for floating-point, 1-2 ALU for integers/math, etc.
if you execute an instruction, only one of those will be in use
issuing multiple instructions allows a single core to use all the different parts at once
 
Bob
As long as there's no dependency on the output of another part.
 
3:40 PM
^
 
Bob
And that's definitely a very difficult problem.
 
indeed, but that's the job of compilers to figure out.
 
it's very good at detecting data dependencies, and it's becoming smarter about how to just execute things in parallel (sometimes speculatively, sometimes after figuring out the dependencies)
 
Bob
@DarthAndroid They've been known to get it wrong.
And IIRC ARM compilers aren't that great at optimising yet.
 
a bunch of big companies went pretty insane with getting gcc optimized on ARM
pretty sure it's up to snuff by now
llvm is also being worked on heavily for ARM
 
Bob
3:47 PM
I'm going to have to think a bit about the brand of my next phone
 
What are the options between?
 
me too, if Motovo/Letorola supports microSD on their next phone
 
Bob
I've become attached to Samsung's hardware menu button and context/back buttons independent of the main screen :\
@DarthAndroid Well, I can rule out Apple, and Nokia is barely in the running :P
I had a slight preference for Samsung, but far less now with this update debacle. Oh, and that KNOX BS.
Not really looking for a new phone immediately, but I like to have my eye on one, in case of sudden need for replacement (read: magic smoke gets released)
@allquixotic Oh yea, MicroSD support will be a requirement for me.
Well, not a hard requirement, but a would-very-much-prefer-it
 
LOL. 1440p? Really Moto? Go die.
also, they couldn't splurge for the 810? -_______-
 
Bob
@allquixotic dat batt life
also, 4.6"?
really?
640 DPI?
 
3:52 PM
I'm sure the 3 GB of RAM will be fully consumed by both backwards-compat 32-bit libraries (for the tons of apps that never update) and 64-bit libraries for the new platform
 
Bob
I mean, that's a nice number on a spec sheet, but I can't even tell a difference past ~400 DPI.
 
4.6".... fuck that
that's just not happening
also, why do phone manufacturers seem to be unable to comprehend that people need more than 32 GB of builtin NAND?
 
Bob
@allquixotic Don't worry, Android L will break most of those apps for you.
 
hasn't NAND continued to increase in density? yet they build these damn things like they're standing still!
 
Bob
@allquixotic Don't worry about that, either. Only an extra $200!
 
3:54 PM
@allquixotic But... but! The Cloud! Store it all in the cloud <sub>Only $99/year</sub>
 
the Note 4 might be more down my alley
@DarthAndroid Data charges extra.
 
Bob
@allquixotic Eh... 5" is actually a tad big for my hand.
I like using my phone with one hand.
 
so it'll cost $40 to download a 4 GB movie from the $9/month Netflix to my $99/year butt storage...... yeah, fuck these people
 
Bob
I can barely reach the top-left corner as it is. Any bigger, and that's just not happening.
 
@Bob my hand is probably bigger than your head
bring on the phablets!
I have no issues using the S5 with one hand
 
Bob
3:56 PM
> The new graphics engine will prove useful, since the upcoming iPhone is rumored to employ a much higher resolution (somewhere between 702p and 1080p) for the 4.7” screen size.
... waiiiiit
upcoming iPhone
much higher resolution
between 720p and 1080p, and 4.7" screen
 
@Bob "but Retina has been at like 92000p since 2008!"
 
Bob
uhhh... Earth to Apple? We're in 2014 already, mate.
 
</appleSheeple>
Retina: more pixels, without the benefits of more pixels.
 

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