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@JourneymanGeek did that shared computer ever finish chkdsking?
OH
thanks for reminding me
you're welcome oO
96%
not yet, I guess
and the world record for longest chkdsk goes to...
lol
yeah. going to transfer anything of value off that disk, and reformat it ;p
my sister in law got admitted to hospital, poor dear is pregnant, and throwing up a lot, so they had to bundle her off and hook her up to a drip
so, I sorta forgot ;p
this is a new one.
gah, got a second one
00:13
just a little odd
"no, i didn't break it! i just... negatively affected its geometry!"
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Q: How to install SRFI-19 with Chicken 4.8.0.3?

xuinkrbin.How can I install SRFI-19 with Chicken 4.8.0.3? Using sudo chicken-install srfi-19 fails. After some experimentation, I found I needed to run sudo chicken-install setup-helper first, yet I remain stuck. The output I receive is retrieving ...connecting to host "chicken.kitten-technologies.co.uk...

This was asked on Stack Overflow and summarily closed. I think it might be on-topic here, but the software the guy is trying to install is a Scheme compiler. It seems like there may be more experts on Stack Overflow for compiler tools though.
If anyone wants to weigh in, here's the discussion:
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Q: Question about installing a compiler/interpreter for a programming language - off topic?

Justin EthierI noticed that this question was closed as off topic because it is about installing libraries for a compiler/interpreter for a programming language. Unfortunately you have to look at the question's edit history to get the gist of the original question since it has been edited. But anyway, accor...

00:46
@jmort253: its a lot better if we know if the OP wants it moved - since, even if it was on topic, it would be totally orphaned if it was moved without that
also, question seems open to me
01:09
great, this hard disk developed two bad sectors since last year... hmm
@JourneymanGeek Oh good! Looks like it got reopened.
 
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02:26
um, this isn't good :P
@tapped-out with that few bad sectors, you could probably get the OS / filesystem / disk firmware to mark them as bad and keep on truckin, unless it's a sign of more bad sectors to come
a few bad sectors isn't an indication of impending disk failure necessarily, but it could frustrate data recovery efforts
it's a 7.2k disk that's about to hit the magic 3 year mark
fortunately this is my "scratch" drive, but still
once this finishes I will probably run this tool in remap mode and hope it doesn't break anything
 
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04:32
I've found its really the interestingness of the question (or the sheer trainwreck factor of it) that gets it eyeballs. If its a question you REALLY want an answer to, bounty it. Consider SU to be a assistive resource and work on an answer, and update periodically with your findings. In short, write a question that catches eyeballs no matter what, and keep plugging at it as much as you can. You can ignore the gorilla in the room, but can you ignore the gorilla in the room, wearing a tutu and pink lipstick, juggling chainsaw RPGs? — Journeyman Geek 51 secs ago
;p
@JourneymanGeek You're a dog, not a gorilla.
04:47
@allquixotic: I can't juggle either.
@JourneymanGeek is Sunday any good? you live in the future so surely you know
lol
Its rainy sunday ;p
heh, it's been rainy here too
also, I regret I do not have enough frozen passionfruit for another tall glass of that crazyass drink I just had
half a tall glass of water, 2 teaspoons sugar, pinch of salt (whizz with a milk frother until dissolved), top up to about 3/4 full with frozen passionfruit, then hit it will the milk frother until its dissolved.
@JourneymanGeek what, no alcohol? :P
sounds good, i've had mango lassi before, at an Indian restaurant
Bob
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04:58
@tapped-out what program is this?
@Bob looks like DOS, doesn't it?
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@allquixotic well, that's not the program :P
also, I read "NRDY" as "Nerdy"
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@OliverSalzburg how do you get things on the IA?
@Bob actually... DOS was little more than a bootloader for programs that would, for example, run in real mode...
so the "OS" would be the program :P
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05:00
@OliverSalzburg You need faster upload? :P
wasn't until TSRs and later DOS addons that it started to evolve from general purpose bootloader for other OS-programs, to something that stays resident in memory and manages hardware and stuff
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@tapped-out there was that question from someone using a pirated and highly customised copy of Windows... customised by someone with no effing idea.. they said somethere they disabled every service o.O
@allquixotic also, no HLT :\
Oh, that's right.
"Gamerz Pro"
gamerz pro?
a build of windows that what? loads the windows executive, drivers, and then has a custom OS on top? :D
sounds pretty awesome actually o_O
wonder how far you could get with ReactOS userland on top of the official NT kernel
@allquixotic: naw, I don't drink alcohol
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@allquixotic pirated version
looks like a steaming pile of shit
05:09
prolly is
@allquixotic: I thought the ROS userland was kinda crap
lots of missing libraries, which is why they pulled in a lot of stuff off wine
(and god, they lost a lot of time due to DRAMA)
and Alex Ionescu was pretty awesome
05:25
ah, ReactOS... the ones who keep going try so hard.
it's like Linux but with a much steeper hill to climb
should be RNW -- ReactOS's not Windows
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ouch
that was horrible
trying to grab a massive screenshot
2211x20729 pixels.. where can I upload something this big? o.O
15 MB
ah, here it is
it was mentioned in a promptly-closed SU question last year
05:51
@allquixotic: yeah, *nix was PRETTY well documented
@Bob: 30 kbps download rate, ;p
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@JourneymanGeek well, you could go to the torrent site directly
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but I'm pretty sure this torrent is illegal :P
for the screenshot?
lol
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oh, I screenshotted the torrent page
05:53
I was just curious WHY SO BIG ;p
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it's a screenshot of screenshots
:P
nah, just a massive page
oh
totally breaks metro photo viewer ;p
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> I really have to say this cos many of my OSs are posted on several websites with out my permission or without crediting me. This is one hella hideous action by the stalkers. Com'on fellas i have sacrificed many things to make this os come alive. REPUTE ME AND MY WORKS!! -- guy distributing a pirated and modded copy of Windows 7
oh god. this is UGLY
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yes
yes it is
does anyone else see the irony in that quote? :P
05:55
like seriously. It fell off the ugly tree, hit every branch on the way down, then was so ugly the earth spit it back out on impact, then it hit every branch again, and then hit every branch on the way down, repeatedly.
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@JourneymanGeek at least it's not comic sans :P
@Bob: only cause the sheer ugliness would cause the computer to commit the halt and catch fire instruction.
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I wonder how many people actually use it...
maybe 2 ;p
tho there was this windows 7 pirated version my lecturer handed out as part of an assignment
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what
06:03
I wonder what's going on in his mind
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oh yea
@Sathya do you think you could do a quick search for "gamerz pro" in deleted questions? :P
I can't quite remember what that guy was asking
@Bob lmao
I remember that
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@Sathya the hell is this?
gimme a sec
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@Sathya never mind, found it in chat logs
oh, that works too :D
thanks
damn, not as much as I hoped
May 24 '12 at 3:03, by nhinkle
What the heck is this crap, who would even want to download it? http://extratorrent.com/torrent/2554241/7+Gamerz+Pro+Windows+7+Professional+-+x64+-+Prince+NRVL.html
06:09
@Bob: worse yet, you need to use your own key
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lol
for someone's ugly hacked up windows 7 pirated edition
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so perhaps not pirated
WHAT IS THE POINT?
06:45
Hello, I saw a question similar to what I've closed on main as not constructive, hence I have decided it ask it out on the chat.

I use Linux on my laptop. I have a 4 GB DDR2 667 MHz RAM and my computer supports upto 8GB (unofficially). My problem is, whenever I am doing a lot of things on my computer, my hard disk is creating a bottleneck and a lot of time is spent "waiting" for my hard disk to finish working. My hard disk is a Seagate ST9500325AS (500GB, 5400 RPM, 8MB Cache). I have two options both of which are going to cost me 200$. The first option is to buy a Intel 520 240GB SSD and t
get a smaller SSD, and more ram. best of both worlds ....
;p
@JourneymanGeek money money! :P
@JayeshBadwaik: true
what 'flavour' of linux?
@JourneymanGeek ArchLinux.
hmm...
I've run less optimised versions of linux with lower specs than that.
using the SSD (and putting the swap on it) would likely speed things up
06:48
@JourneymanGeek Yes, but I almost use my laptop as a workstation. :P
are you actually having a lack of ram?
(using all the ram is good, but 'how' is a question - IIRC linux usually uses spare ram for cachhing)
@JourneymanGeek I am not very sure of. How do I find it out? Sometimes, when the computer has been up for 4-5 days, my swap is 2GB full, but other time it is almost empty, I will have to profile it. What is happening I think is, till now, I was using very less RAM (like 1-1.5 GB and 2.5 GB was available to cache) and so it was all good.
..
Now I think since the RAM use has increased to 2.5GB-2.8GB, the cache is not effective) and hence I am observing the "waiting". The waiting never happens when using programs, only when switching.
However, if you are continuously switching from a PDF to firefox to emacs, it is not very nice.
@JourneymanGeek Yes, that is true. That is why I was thinking the RAM might be a good option, but I do not know about the latencies of the SSD's.
If they are low enough, they are probably better, but I do not know what is low enough. :P
the SSD sounds like a better idea but with a system that old, you may not be able to get the full benefit of a new SSD
06:54
@JourneymanGeek Ahh, how might that be?
SSDs come close to saturating a 6gbps sata connection
Ohh. I have only 3Gbps
you'd be better off getting an older model that's cheaper and using your current drive in conjunction with it
intel makes GREAT drives, but they're pricy
Hmm, okay. I see.
(this is why chat is better. there's some stuff you'd miss on a question, and there's no right answer)
06:57
@JourneymanGeek yeah...
:-)
So, actually, I am considering the third option. Use this computer for maybe 4-5 more months, and then chuck it away and get a new mobile workstation, with 16GB RAM and everything. :P
lol
thats NOT a bad idea
especially with haswell coming out
I have heard about 50% reduction in power, so that can be a cool thing.
Yeah
Thanks a lot. :-) I think I will wait then.
See you, and have a good day. :-)
 
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09:25
thats amusing
Football Manager 2014 to support Linux!
@jokerdino It's not like you are going to be playing it ...
well, yeah
actually, it depends on the price. is it Rs 5000?
3k I think
i'll consider when they release it
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@HackToHell the original picture was mentioning how much they spent on the bed
Didn't see the original, I don't browse /pics and /funny these days
09:53
@Bob You can just upload stuff. As long as you own it. There's a big Upload button on the site
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o.O
@OliverSalzburg I never noticed that!
10:14
lol
thats how I post screenshots of hrrbl posts ;p
Where's the upload button?
oh. we are talking about IA
Internet Archive
Is IA the same as WBM?
@Fitzroy WBM is a service of IA
10:18
I see
WBM is basically the part where they archive websites. But they also archive other digital media
I do find WBM very handy for reviving sites that have dropped off the internet
retrieving ;p
reviving would require a VERY large battery, jumper cables... shoot a chap could have a very interesting evening in vegas with that...
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retrieving
Thats what I said ! ;p
(yay, edits)
I need to make better use of spell checks
ok - thank you gentleman. lets move on with our lives
we have lives?
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i can't speak for you i suppose
My life is happening right here in this chat room right now :D
10:23
@Fitzroy gentleman? what about dogs..
sorry, I don't speak dog
dogs can be gentlemen too.
feel free to translate if you so wish
that was quick ;p
RED ALERT - I have an IT question...
10:27
so you do
Here's mine:
do you guys use an account for your non-admin stuff (emails, browsing sites, etc) and a separate account for admin work
hmm
I SHOULD
that was quick ;p
10:29
@Fitzroy: systems I maintain, I insist on. on my own systems, I think that UAC handles things well enough
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@JourneymanGeek what?
this is actually a repeat of a question i asked yesterday - but i'm just writing a set of notes on the merits of this practice and its always useful to see what others are doing
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@JourneymanGeek I'm actually not sure if that's real or photo manipulation
@Fitzroy Not since XP
why not since xp?
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Vista and newer does not launch unelevated processes with an adminitrator security token by default.
10:29
@Fitzroy: XP didn't have UAC
do you beleive in the principle of 'least privilege'?
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XP would launch everything with full permissions of the user. Which was also an admin by default.
you ran an admin account by default
I use Linux. Nuff said.
@Fitzroy: I believe it dosen't apply to me ;p
UAC is about the same as using sudo
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10:30
Vista and newer launches everything with the privileges of a local user, not an administrator.
@Fitzroy That's essentially what UAC does.
Hmmmm, i tihnk youre missing the point a little.
UAC splits the token twice
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IE takes it a step further by launching in 'protected mode', lower privileges than the current user.
@Fitzroy: however on my shared box, I don't give folk admin accounts, even on 7
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@Fitzroy What point do you think I am missing?
(since they ask me to install stuff anyway, they don't need it ;p)
10:31
@Bob IE 10?
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@Boris_yo All versions since 7, which came with Vista.
@Fitzroy: I think most folk here maintain their own systems, and practically are their own admins ;p
OK - sorry, i'm talking about what you do in a corporate environment. not at home.
and as such end up needing pesky things like needing to install stuff, and occationally needing a admin terminal window
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@JourneymanGeek The reasoning is that each program launches with the minimum privileges required to function. Which is exactly what UAC does.
10:32
oh, this should have been explicit
@Bob What's you opinion on IE 10? Is it faster?
@Bob: they don't need it. XD
that's really the core of PLP ;p
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Unless you mess around with your security settings, any normal program has write permissions to only your user profile, and that's it.
@Fitzroy: in which case you're better off having RBAC ;p
@Bob I thought UAC gives admin privileges.
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10:33
@JourneymanGeek well, the point is potentially malicious programs do not have write permissions where it's important
@Boris_yo that's part of UAC
@Boris_yo: it temporarily elevates you, then drops back once its done
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I can't remember what the prompt is called
so - you have one account that is a member of the domain admin group but you rely entirly on UAC? i'm not mocking this - im just asking, is that what you do?
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@JourneymanGeek no it doesn't
@Bob: my SIL managed to get my shared system accidentally toolbarred.
@Bob: oh?
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10:34
it runs a specific process with administrative privileges (specifically, an administrator security token)
nothing about elevating the user
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any user that's part of the Administrators group has three security tokens
my bad ;p
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standard, elevated and low (not sure abuot the actual names)
standard has write permissions ot the user profile
elevated has write to most of hte system
low.. I think that's restricted t olike one or two directories
@bob - is this how uac operates?
splitting the token three ways?
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10:37
> When a user attempts to launch an executable file, the new process is created with the minimum of the user integrity level and the file integrity level. This means that the new process will never execute with higher integrity than the executable file. If the administrator user executes a low integrity program, the token for the new process functions with the low integrity level.
> This helps protect a user who launches untrustworthy code from malicious acts performed by that code. The user data, which is at the typical user integrity level, is write-protected against this new process.
i just wasnt aware of the three way splitting that is all
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> Windows defines four integrity levels: low, medium, high, and system. Standard users receive medium, elevated users receive high. Processes you start and objects you create receive your integrity level (medium or high) or low if the executable file's level is low; system services receive system integrity. Objects that lack an integrity label are treated as medium by the operating system; this prevents low-integrity code from modifying unlabeled objects.
i thought it was two way
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There's four :P
gosh
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10:38
lol
system is closest to Linux root
may I go back to why i think you're missing the point though... lets say you have a single account from which you do everything, your day to day stuff and all your admin work. You need to install some software on your workstation...
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you can override everything
but high is normally enough to gain system
....you use UAC to elevate your permissions in order to install the software fine. but is it right that the account you are usin to install some software has the ability to basically crush your whole domain?
that doesnt sound like abiding by least priviledge to me
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what?
oh
in a domain situation
you can specify local administrators (per-machine)
who can elevate on the local machine
but they are distinct from domain administrators (global across the domain)
@OliverSalzburg probably knows more :P
there is far more granular control
you can apply very specific restrictions and give only a very few select permissions if you wanted
let me go back to my original question and phrase it better - if you manage a windows domain, do you have one acounnt from which you do every single task. or do you have multiple accounts for different tasks?
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10:42
define "task"
im just curious as towhat others are doing
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most of us don't manage domains :P
If your account has Domain Administrator privileges, UAC still asks you to elevate for critical tasks. Just as it would locally
OK, if your task is to install a printer on a users PC, would you use the same account that you use for administering AD.
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@OliverSalzburg you just happen to be able to do more to the domain setup, and can administrate more than the local machine... right? :P
10:43
So, in my case, no, I don't have separate accounts for administrative tasks
@Bob Right
@Fitzroy In theory, yes. In practise, I would deploy the printer to the workstation through group policies
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@Fitzroy there is an element of practicality, too
you can be as pure as you like, but you're never going to get anywhere if you're not pragmatic
i absolutely accept that practicality comes into it
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see: GNU Hurd
thats why i'm curious as to what others tend to do.
@oliver - im glad that you accept the theory of what im saying. means im not completely mad
@Bob did my example make sense of what i mean by tasks?
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@Fitzroy yea
it's not too unusual to have a user specifically for the purpose of backups, for example
but different users for every type of installation (printer, program, service, driver, etc.)? that would likely be overkill
those are mostly one-off setups anyway
10:47
maybe installing a printer is a bad example. so lets just say any task that requires you to login to a users workstation and do some maintenance. I dont like the idea of using an account that has domain admin privileges.
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though I speak without experience
i agree 100%
there is a balance to be struck
but surely a sensible balance can be reached
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well, depends what kind of maintenance
if it's something repetitive, it could likely be scripted
ok - but even if its scripted, who are you gonna run the script as?
an account that just has the permissions to complete the task or GOD?
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if you are worried about a security breach via that machine, you could have a user with local administrative privileges
10:49
well thats the model im looking at.
having a separate admin account for each IT person just for workstation admin tasks, which is separate to the admin account they use for doing AD work (creating users, modifying gpos, etc)
does that sound rational?
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This kind of domain management question might be relevant over at Server Fault, but read their FAQ, and it might fall into the 'not constructive' category (I'm not really familiar with what they accept)
also, IT Security might have some interesting points
this kind of question doesnt work very well on server fault - as its more a debate than a simple q&a. thats why i thought its better being asked in the chat room...
Regarding what @Bob said earlier. We also usually have so called service accounts. Like user accounts that run specific tasks autonomously. Like, for backups. So the user accounts for those tasks have a very limited set of administrative privileges.
yes - thats what i do also
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@Fitzroy yea, that's true
10:54
@Fitzroy You're IT technician?
i am
for my sins
@OliverSalzburg If you have webhosting account, would you know how to create weekly automatic backup of certain directory in certain format (TAR or GZ) and send it to Gmail account?
@Fitzroy You don't like this job?
on the contrary.
@Fitzroy You said for your sins so I though it is something bad.
don't take me too literally.
lol
it's a sysadmins prerogative to complain
10:58
@Fitzroy Do you have to deal with customers?
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@Fitzroy possibly relevant
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Q: Bad to be logged in as admin all the time?

pokeAt the office where I work, three of the other members of the IT staff are logged into their computers all the time with accounts that are members of the domain administrators group. I have serious concerns about being logged in with admin rights (either local or for the domain). As such, for ev...

@bob dug that one up yesterday. added it to my research document.
@bob have a look at the answer provided by Iain Hallam. what do you think?

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