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Journeyman Geek

12:10 AM

@Braiam nice

Braiam

@Mokubai a Java programmer to boot! D:

Psycogeek

12:30 AM

Anybody know how i would search for "locking out a drive letter from being used ever for a transient drive in windows" ?

Journeyman Geek

@Ash depends on the school. I felt that my first university had pretty bad lecturers, and there's a disconnect between the practical side of EE and the theoratical side - NTU EE is even more CSish than their CS courses.

My second uni was awesome but I had some personal issues and fucked it up badly

the skills I acquired there however basically meant I could breeze through my third attempt

Braiam

1:04 AM

@JourneymanGeek wait, you need to go to 3 universities to be a amazing dog?

Journeyman Geek

@Braiam: no, but you end up with an interesting skillset

Braiam

and yeah firstwefeast.com/laugh/…

Journeyman Geek

ugh, clickbait

Bob

1:19 AM

what the fuck, eclipse?

just... wtf.

of course "home" and "end" don't work

because since when has eclipse used sane keyboard shortcuts or even single keys?

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

I'm surprised it accepts the QWERTY layout

Journeyman Geek

looool

Bob

still have no idea what F3 does, but it's definitely not "find next", which is ctrl + k for some reason (???????)

and my choice of keybindings is "eclipse" or "emacs". great

Braiam

@Bob nano FTW!

or Notepad++ for what matters

Bob

1:24 AM

@Braiam I'd use Notepad++. It's far better.

Unfortunately, it's not quite an IDE.

for larger projects, it becomes difficult to manage

and I still need to use eclipse to compile (fml)

there's got to be a better one -_-

Visual Studio is big, but performant

Braiam

@Bob what happened to emacs?

Bob

SharpDevelop is small, fast, but lacks some more advanced features (really, it has most)

MonoDevelop would probably be great, but I haven't used it.

On the Java side? The bloated crap known as Eclipse, the other one (NetBeans), etc.. bleh.

Maybe I should try IntelliJ

@Braiam What about emacs?

Braiam

"and my choice of keybindings is "eclipse" or "emacs""?

Bob

@Braiam Yes.

Those are the two keybinding schemes in Eclipse.

Braiam

I would be biased for using emacs keybindings... I'm somewhat used to them...

@JourneymanGeek did you fall for it?

Journeyman Geek

1:39 AM

nope

Braiam

1:56 AM

:(

is a list of the 20 things more annoying that can do waiters in restaurants to dogs

btw @Bob, eclipse team had a brainstorming session to find out how to disrupt your happiness, and that’s why the messy keybindings ;)

Bob

@Braiam not to mention the crazy memory usage and random lag while GCing

and the hang/crash when trying to smart complete JS

ffs

Braiam

I ought to ask... why are you still using eclipse?

Stack Exchange

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Q: I have a failing hard drive. What do I do, and what information do you need?

I have a failing hard drive. There's a lot of information floating around on the Internet about what I can do to fix it. But there's also quite a bit of misinformation as well. What information do you need to help me recover my important data?

Braiam

@StackExchange why do you spam that question?

Bob

A pet peeve of mine: people calling the Windows command line "DOS". ARGH

I have to point out that the Windows command line is not MS-DOS. While it shares some syntax due to its history, internally it has been nothing like DOS since Windows 2000 (and even more so since Vista). Please do not refer to it as DOS unless you are actually running Windows ME or older. This also doesn't have anything to do with batch files, strictly speaking. — Bob 1 min ago

@Braiam Got an alternative?

Braiam

2:11 AM

@Bob you did...

45 mins ago, by Bob

MonoDevelop would probably be great, but I haven't used it.

Bob

@Braiam That's for .NET

I have no lack of good IDEs for .NET

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Java.

Braiam

45 mins ago, by Bob

Maybe I should try IntelliJ

Bob

@Braiam I need JEE, which costs about $100 (pro version)

I wish I could use IntelliJ

it's actually a native program

a Java IDE written in Java is just asking for trouble

iKlsR

3:36 AM

lulz

@Bob nightcode.info

allquixotic

4:03 AM

@Bob are you sure? I thought IntelliJ is based on Netbeans Platform.

Bob

@allquixotic Pretty sure.

Oh wait, it isn't native.

Still, not based on NetBeans AFAIK

@iKlsR Looks interesting, but if it can't do Tomcat I can't use it :\

allquixotic

github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/tree/master/java

it has a native launcher, but it's still a Java program

Bob

@allquixotic Eh, NetBeans is kinda working anyway.

At least it's not hanging every few seconds and completely dying on code completion attempts. Well, the first attempt. Because it never has a chance to make another.

Is it just me or is Wikipedia unusually slow right now?

Psycogeek

4:40 AM

@Bob not slow here

Braiam

@Bob is eclipse...

BTW, Chuck Norris isn't safe of the NSA:

Journeyman Geek

5:13 AM

feedproxy.google.com/~r/techreport/all/~3/9QAhVoRvTUs/… thats interesting

(especially since nearly everything uses the big 3)

Bob

6:46 AM

Urgh. SAML. I'm beginning to hear voices in my head -_-

Boris_yo

7:06 AM

Black Friday 24 Hour Sale

blackfriday.com/articles/601-dell-24-hour-sale

Boris_yo

7:27 AM

I wanna try loading and running Windows 7 on flashdrive. 8GB is the minimum required capacity and I have Sandisk and SuperTalent Express 3.0 for this. Don't know which to use though.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo you mean black month china special?

@Boris_yo wouldnt you test them both with a disk speed tester thing?

Boris_yo

7:56 AM

@Psycogeek Why china? Only china stuff is on sale on Black Friday?

@Psycogeek Yes this is logical thing to do. When test results are on, should I take one with faster random reads, writes and fast 4K and 512K?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Generally it has a tendancy to be lots of cheap crap for cheap prices. Some of the same things you wouldnt buy :-) if you were shopping for the "best for the price"

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek I don't know but I usually buy on Amazon and when I buy I choose quality stuff. China stuff I buy on china ecommerce websites.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Not sure yet about that myself. these fretting over the random 4k does not SEEM to be as important as people are making it out to be. Maybe because for ME the stuff that is always slow is the stuff that is big. But other slow things are stuff that is many many parts and pieces, like crapplily programmed .NET junk and Crappy java programs and all. Where . . .

It is useful that it is all in little pieces that can be changed and altered and customised, but it is basically destroying the load speed of the programs by not having it as proper fitted resouce items, in single executables.

Also even higher end programs that are Plug_in to death, like adobeez photocrap program. Luckily there are ways to stop the loading of most of the stuff that a normal person does not use.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Why destroying? You mean fragmented resources? It actually saves time from accessing resources in a single file and "unpacking" them.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I have observed zero speedups from crappily programed programs :-)

Still the good programs are simple, fast , and The programmer actually needed it Themselves, instead of being hired and pushed by marketeers to make a stupid mess of junk

Boris_yo

8:07 AM

@Psycogeek So why is it bad if program's resources are scattered? Also loading stuff that you won't need is supposed to be under your control? Do you wish to manually load stuff you need?

@Psycogeek Made from love VS made for money case...

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo When it is just plug-ins a person can toss em :-) usually. there is often some way to reduce that. Were talking 4K random speeds here. The computer could have loaded a whole 2Meg program in 1/2 the time it takes to load 10 strewn out parts and pieces.

Pluss add to that this .NET trash is comming in at 400megs of crap itself now. So while it might be easy for the programer, they are basically shooting themselves in the foot using that method, because it will never be "optomizable".

--Today i had the fun of working (again) with some idiots idea of a program for thier hardware (highpoint raid) The dorks made a WEB interface . to ME it doesnt get stupider than that, because as they change the Web Browsers like they change underwear, the thing breaks , and breaks again. Even if they would have used that method and supplied a simple dumb HTML program viewer thing, it wouldnt be a short term disaster waiting to break again.

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8:38 AM

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Oliver Salzburg

9:33 AM

O__o When I open cloud.hartwig-at.de/~oliver/imageslices.js on my Nexus 4 it reboots. That's not supposed to happen :?

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg: ooh HAX

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek I wonder if it happens reliably, but I'm scared now :(

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg: I can try it on my one V

what browser?

Oliver Salzburg

9:51 AM

chrome

Journeyman Geek

no issues on my tablet

for some reason pushbullet isn't working on my phone

:/

no issues for me on either device

well, the phone is warming up

ahh pushbullet synced

o0

Oliver Salzburg

Works on the S2 as well

Maybe it was a one-off thing

Journeyman Geek

yeah

does seem to be heavy on the cpu

Oliver Salzburg

Yeah, now the Nexus doesn't reboot. Doesn't center the canvas though :(

Stupid neighbors with their howling dog :( They should fucking take the dog with them

Journeyman Geek

:/

he's probably singing a sad doggy song, of lost bones and regrets.

Oliver Salzburg

10:00 AM

I don't even know which neighbor it is, drives me nuts

Whenever I stand in the hallway, no howling

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Oliver Salzburg

I bet it's because of that cable provider guy that's making so much noise in the hallway

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Journeyman Geek

ok, the Disk of Impending Doom is throwing errors <3

yup, new bad block

Boris_yo

10:40 AM

@JourneymanGeek How old? How many?

Journeyman Geek

Less than 2 years. 2

I had one before, which is why it was replaced

Boris_yo

11:01 AM

@JourneymanGeek How many hours is your average use per day or per week?

Journeyman Geek

11:51 AM

Its a storage drive used for transient data. Bsyste

It is a drive used to do downloads . System is on up to 15 hours a day,
4 or 5 gb a week write, about the same reading

Boris_yo

12:36 PM

@JourneymanGeek Seems like average use...

Journeyman Geek

yeah, its a faulty drive

I'm actually trying to kill it

Boris_yo

12:53 PM

@JourneymanGeek What's taking you so long?

Journeyman Geek

lol

not using it enough I guess

one additional bad cluster after 6 months

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek You need to put it into time accelerating device.

Journeyman Geek

naw

I'll need to get the data out, and reformat it though, at some point

lucky data loss is a non issue

Oliver Salzburg

blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2013/10/31/10461992.aspx

Interesting

Journeyman Geek

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Q: What is the fastest way to kill my family?

Question says it all. I want to get this ending in Papers please. I want to do it as fast as possible, before I head to work after school. Can I just turn heating off and not buy food or do I die myself?

papers-please

Boris_yo

1:17 PM

@JourneymanGeek What the heck is this? If it is game, which game it is?

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: papers please

Papers, Please

Papers, Please is a puzzle video game developed by indie game developer Lucas Pope, focusing on the emotional toll of working as an immigration officer, deciding whom to let in and whom to exclude from entering the fictional communist country of Arstotzka. The game was released on August 8, 2013 for Microsoft Windows and OS X. Gameplay The gameplay of Papers, Please focuses on the work life of an immigration inspector at a border checkpoint for the fictitious Eastern Bloc country of Arstotzka. The player inspects would-be immigrants' documents and uses a sparse array of tools to determ...

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek Nice :D

Journeyman Geek

;p

Boris_yo

1:45 PM

@JourneymanGeek US terrorism threat satire

@JourneymanGeek How to get rid of tabs in gmail?

Oliver Salzburg

1:59 PM

@Boris_yo Is only @JourneymanGeek allowed to answer that?

Braiam

@OliverSalzburg he wanted to test the cognitive capacity of dogs :(

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2:17 PM

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Q: Is there one software for all logitech products?

So I ordered the logitech g500s mouse and the logitech g930 headset. I heard that razer have one driver for most of their products, and i would like to know if there's one driver for both my mouse and headset?

mouse

@ChatBotJohnCavil urge to mod abuse... rising... rising... rising...

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Thank ye.

Oliver Salzburg

@badp This reminds me of something I was asked 1 minute ago in TL :D

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2:44 PM

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Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Maybe guys meant unified device?

Journeyman Geek

needs flags superuser.com/a/670917/10165

allquixotic

@badp umm.... problem with my chatbot? it's been here a while...

badp

@allquixotic it was just unexpected :P

allquixotic

@badp it also tends to rightly punish people who love to have enormous speakers in their house capable of moving the house off of its foundation, and leave them turned up to max volume all the time. "DING!" dishes fall off the shelf

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Journeyman Geek

3:06 PM

o0

but but

this one goes up to 11!

Darth Android

3:30 PM

@badp Tbh probably just leave it closed, he's already ordered the hardware, and he'll find out that Logitech has a unified driver for their gaming periphrials when he goes to install it.

(well, unified installer / control panel)

Jimmy Hoffa

3:42 PM

@allquixotic convince yourself to start the FP journey yet?

Boris_yo

Whoy oy can't find Raspberry PI on chinese ecommerce websites?

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa FP yes, Haskell no. :P

using more FPish stuff in C#... I think that'll help me ease into Haskell when I eventually go for it

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Don't tell me "FP with C#" -- this is a much failed endeavour

allquixotic

this looked promising, but it's not actively maintained :( last updated 2009

I'd definitely need access to the .NET API to do anything practical with Haskell though, because the bindings for the stuff I need just aren't there, and I'm not going to reinvent the wheel for every library I need

Jimmy Hoffa

Maybe it's just my personality; I don't understand why people want to learn things slowly or with the easy way which almost invariably doesn't actually work... in this case I can assure you, many many (many) have tried, but almost all of them fail to really grasp FP through the lens of C# or F#

The stuff C# does that is FP-like are all just neat tricks that are side effects from having some basic FP facilities, but really doing FP means one key important thing: Single-assignment declarative programming

allquixotic

3:48 PM

even if Haskell were to improve my productivity by 10000%, I'd still get things done in far less time by having access to the libraries available in either Java or .NET, so unless I can call into one of those environments from Haskell, it's really a non-starter.

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic wait wait, you think Haskell doesn't have libraries?

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa I know it does, but Haskell has "libraries" like my Honda Civic has "horsepower" (with me toting my horsepower number proudly to an 18-wheeler truck driver...)

it has a very quaint number and variety of libraries

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic haskell's got more libraries than nuget in a library manager that puts it to shame, cabal works so unbelievably well, it's just as solid and functional for grabbing libraries as apt-get

@allquixotic really?? really?? Have you even looked? What's Haskell's package management site? :P

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa I just googled for "OpenXML haskell" and found .docx and .xlsx libraries that are openly declared as being "alpha" quality, and one of them appears to be read-only

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic I never suggested you use it for work purposes; I'm saying to learn FP. All the same you said yourself that .NET's open xml lib is just the XML parser with a few bells

allquixotic

3:53 PM

I need a reliable OpenXML reader/writer library that keeps the XML in a consistent state and can cleanly handle a very wide variety of features of both Word documents and Excel spreadsheets... Apache POI has been working at that for years for Java with corporate backing and it's still alpha; the only solution I know of that just works is MSFT's .NET OpenXML SDK

@JimmyHoffa the bells are a huge help though, especially the ones that can handle some of the binary data streams embedded in certain OpenXML files -- a plain XML parser and a schema won't be able to do that without then writing code to parse that data stream

which I could do, but why would I do that when Microsoft already does it perfectly in a library, and it's bound to be tricky to implement in any language, even God's Own Programming Language

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic You'll still not learn FP from C#; you should still use Haskell to learn FP for outside of work fun. Also don't mistake to believe there's a small number of libraries available for Haskell, there is a very large number for doing a great many things. One of the very common tasks people like Haskell for you should appreciate: Graphics/Games

There's many graphics/games libraries available for haskell

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa I'm honestly very curious how well Haskell maps to OpenGL -- the problem is that the OpenGL API is your interface to your graphics hardware, and unless you want to use Direct3D, which is worse and non-portable, you pretty much have to code directly to the OpenGL C API, which is procedural

I'm sure it has some fancy-dancy high level "mapping" into Haskellese that absolutely kills performance and adds an abstraction layer, but I'm really not interested in that

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Nah, it performs quite well, there's a variety of indie groups which actively release games in Haskell

allquixotic

I'm also a fairly diligent student of game developer blogs, and other places where you'll find developers stating which language they've written their game in, what language the scripting is in, and so on and so forth -- not once have I heard the word "Haskell" uttered in those places

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic You really need to quit assuming stuff until after you learn it. Hate how many assumptions everyone has about Haskell before learning it :P

haskell.org/haskellwiki/Game_Development

@allquixotic You realize Carmack is a huge proponent of FP right?

allquixotic

3:59 PM

@JimmyHoffa Haskell is to programming languages what GNU/Linux is to operating systems, except in the GNU/Linux case, take the year back to, oh, 2000 in order for the comparison to be valid

it has many great applications in theory; there are tons of misconceptions about it; and it really struggles to gain critical mass because it's so different

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic ...this is based on you actually knowing Haskell?

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa No, I'm saying that Haskell has an image problem. Like GNU/Linux did (or perhaps still does).

Jimmy Hoffa

Ah fair enough, it does have that, but the biggest misconceptions is that it's applications are only "in theory"

allquixotic

Image problems with GNU/Linux: "Linux is hard to use!" "Only geeks use Linux!" "I can't run any of my favorite programs!" "It's buggy!" "It has poor hardware support!" etc.

Jimmy Hoffa

paulgraham.com/avg.html

allquixotic

4:03 PM

there are plenty of image problems with GNU/Linux, but that doesn't stop me from using it a lot... but even to this day I sometimes struggle with people who just can't get used to it, even on the server-side... you'd be amazed how many people are just allergic to the console and would rather point and click, even over slow RDP over the public internet

all I'm saying is, you're accusing me of assuming stuff about things before I know about it, yet I had an open mind about GNU/Linux and was rewarded with a great amount of knowledge and proficiency in a new and upcoming technology that is now hugely popular, and SteamBox is going to blow it wide open (if Android hasn't already, to a lesser extent due to the removal of the "GNU" part)

the main reason I haven't tried Haskell yet is because I haven't had the time or motivation to do any programming at home on my own time

work is pretty draining and soul-sucking lately

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Well if you said that instead of "It's openGL is surely slow" I wouldn't have said you were assuming :P

I get that. I haven't coded at home in a couple months at least.

Just take this suggestion seriously: Keep an open mind, and give it a try when you have the time. The naysayers are many but they're also mostly adrift in a sea of bad java code

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa okay, but if it were not slow, and it truly is as productivity-boosting as claimed, why are so few programs with any semblance of popularity written in Haskell? I can understand the concept that "program written in X language" does not imply that it will be more or less popular than a program written in Y language, but that still doesn't explain why programs written in Haskell are usually niche (I'm sure you can name a handful of exceptions, but that's true of any fringe tech)

usually, things that are better in any pragmatic sense end up being used

going on that principle, it seems that, pragmatically speaking, C++, Java and Lua are better because they are used more -- is this necessarily true? no, absolutely not, but there have to be some things that are better about them, even if the only thing is inertia; that inertia is the difference between getting other developers to work with you and not; if you are using an environment they aren't familiar with, you're SOL with 80% of devs.

only a depressing minority of developers will say "hey, you're writing that program in a language I've never even heard of? Cool, I want to learn it, and help you!"

the vast majority -- even some who are extremely skilled and can create great products -- will say "man, I have no idea about that stuff, have fun with that, I'm going over here where the C++ is."

you might also consider the objective fact that, while FP is closer to mirroring the way we think and the way that logic and mathematics work, something like C is, objectively speaking, closer to the way that modern digital microprocessors work, meaning, they run an infinite loop of decoding instructions and executing them, one after another, which makes C basically a giant macro language for assembler.

FP on the other hand conceptually, at a fundamental level, pulls away dramatically from the way the hardware works.

people who care about performance more than anything are naturally going to want to get close to the hardware, because if they understand the hardware, they can then "drive" the hardware in exactly the way they want to, without having to then map "I want the hardware to do X, so I have to, hmm, do A, B, C in FP"

and who cares more about performance than game devs....

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Seriously; just stop making statements about what FP is and isn't until you genuinely learn it. Even if you don't care to learn it, it's just un-scientifically minded to make claims about things before you do the study, you'r A) pre-biasing yourself and B) just making yourself sound ignorant

Not to offend :P but you can agree people shouldn't make claims about things they haven't studied, right?

allquixotic

4:19 PM

@JimmyHoffa Seriously, what did I state that was factually, objectively incorrect? I'd really love to know; I'd much rather know what the actual facts are than to be called ignorant. If I'm just stating opinions, well, you can state that, too; opinions are just opinions, and I'm allowed to have them... but if I make a factual error, I never like that, and I'd rather not continue believing that something is a fact when it is not.

(Note that stating something which is not falsifiable isn't going contrary to fact, so please disregard any statements I made which are not falsifiable)

It's also worth noting that opinions can change, so it might be useful for me to record my current opinions in the way that I did above, so that I can revisit them later, perhaps after I've had more experience with FP -- so even if my opinions end up changing, at least I'll be able to see how and for what reasons.

That could even end up being a useful blog article somewhere, observing how someone went from holding a certain set of opinions before learning and then what changed after.

The metacognitive activity is really useful in this scenario (and many others like it), because it helps me be a more balanced and structured reasoner going forward.

vedantchandra

@RaghavSood are you going for the Nexus 5? Or sticking to your N4?

allquixotic

they should really make an N5 for Verizon...

it scores so well on benchmarks :X

Boris_yo

4:40 PM

@allquixotic Aren't you satisfied with yours?

allquixotic

@Boris_yo Yes!

but more choice is always good

Raghav Sood

@vedantchandra Dunno. Depends on how bored I get in the next month or so.

Journeyman Geek

the N5 looks sweet

allquixotic

I wonder if the next "Nexus" device will be built by Motorola :)

!! s/Motorola/Google/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic I wonder if the next "Nexus" device will be built by Google :) (source)

Journeyman Geek

4:44 PM

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Q: Open OS/2 icons on Linux?

I have an OS/2 .ico file I need to open (and, if possible, edit). It is different from an MS-Windows .ico file, therefore I cannot open it the usual way. How can I open these files on Windows or (preferably) Linux anyway?

linux windows images os2

allquixotic

that would probably make LG and ASUS angry because they've been the go-to guys for Nexus in the past

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: not very likely

allquixotic

!!tell 12060744 maybe

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

running on Linux = OK

OS/2 icons = NO

Jimmy Hoffa

4:45 PM

@allquixotic Truce :P I'm not trying to offend, debate, or make enemies heh

Journeyman Geek

google seems to pick one of the other companies, and builds 2 phones with them. motos seem to be great lower end phones

allquixotic

!!tell 12060768 yes

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek -_- the Droid Maxx is lower end?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I was thinking the two latest ones actually

not the fastest, but they squeeze a lot into them

allquixotic

4:46 PM

the Droid Mini and the Moto X aren't that good, agreed

the Droid Ultra is a Droid Maxx minus the big battery

Journeyman Geek

and the droids specific to one US phone company?

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek the Moto X has a much wider release, it's basically sold worldwide I think

the Droid Mini/Ultra/Maxx are only Verizon Wireless

Journeyman Geek

not seen moto Xes here

I'd be tempted to get one off contract if I did

allquixotic

all four phones (Moto X, Droid Ultra, Droid Maxx, Droid Mini) have the same basic SoC, and they didn't mess with the clocks or anything AFAIK

Journeyman Geek

dosen't the X have that co-processor though?

allquixotic

4:48 PM

the SoC scores lower on benchmarks than, say, the Snapdragon 800, but it scores better on battery life, and equals or beats them on GPU performance

@JourneymanGeek yes, it's very complicated :) but basically there are eight distinct CPU dies in the SoC package

Journeyman Geek

yeah

allquixotic

there are four big-ish general-purpose ARMv7 cores, and the rest are either special-purpose, or very low-power

Journeyman Geek

/me currently has a cranky HTC one V

allquixotic

the best battery life value is that, with the screen off, the tiny single-core background processor can decode MP3s and push audio to the DSP :P so the four big app cores are off while you listen to music

the big cores wake up when you use the GUI, web browsing, etc. which takes more CPU power

I guess there are technically more than eight because there's also the cellular baseband :)

motorola.com/us/X8-Mobile-Computing-System/…

told you it was complicated... I can never remember what each of the cores does

Journeyman Geek

lol

I'll likely be an expert when I look at getting a new phone

I obsessively research a lot of my hardware choices

allquixotic

4:53 PM

I was wrong about the quad core CPU, which is why it scores lower on CPU benchmarks

each of the current-gen Motorola phones has only a dual core Snapdragon S4 Pro, which is the highest-end previous generation dual core Snapdragon

the quad core GPU is basically the same as the other current-gen Snapdragons though

it benchmarks very well for mobile gaming

I guess Qualcomm had to fab a custom SoC for Moto, but in order to keep it simple, they only had them fab one specific part to slot into all four of their phones for this gen

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Why would you need more than 1 smartphone?

allquixotic

@Boris_yo I don't, but being able to choose between many options when purchasing is a good thing

because the options will have pros and cons to each, and I don't want to be forced to choose between only one or two options that might have no way to get exactly what I want

Verizon Wireless's smartphone choices are not great right now -- the vast majority of their "choices" are low-end, cheapo phones

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Now I catch you. You want more diversity in smartphones offered by Verizon.

allquixotic

exactly :)

Journeyman Geek

all phones are unlocked here

Boris_yo

4:58 PM

@allquixotic How important are physical side volume control buttons are for you when using smartphone?

Journeyman Geek

and I can likely abuse some family member's re-contracting if the phone I want isn't available for my carrier, assuming I stay in singapore

allquixotic

@Boris_yo pretty important, so I can quickly turn down volume if it's playing loud lol

Journeyman Geek

its also nice for scrolling

which a lot of applications use it for

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek @allquixotic Would use unlocked smartphone but the problem is he would not enjoy benefits from buying smartphone through his cellular service provider.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek hmm, you can definitely get an unlocked Moto X, and it supports a huge variety of bands, so you might just be able to grab one on Amazon and activate it :P

@Boris_yo Verizon only allows one specific phone unlocked on their network: "Developer Edition" of certain models

Journeyman Geek

4:59 PM

@allquixotic: tempted but I don't have any way to pay for it online I think

allquixotic

I would have purchased Droid Maxx Developer Edition if it existed, but it doesn't :(

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