Root Access

soandos

00:14

Any thoughts?

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Many times when I open up laptops, there are several different types of screws (not talking about screws of different lengths here) Black screws with a black thread Black screws with a blue thread Silver screws with normal sized heads Silver screws with large flat heads I was wondering if the...

screws

Journeyman Geek

lol

yes!

Journeyman Geek

01:36

feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/index/~3/0QPiJSfsnLE

apparently it isn't metro styled UI any more ;p

soandos

What a piece of balony

Paul

@hacktohell I have seen that web interface for ddos a while back when they were targetting visa because of wikileaks, or at least something like it

Journeyman Geek

01:52

superuser.com/questions/457007/… ugh, how is this remotely on topic? ;p

soandos

@JourneymanGeek its a webapps question

Journeyman Geek

@soandos: What he really wants is for someone to tell him what his chair is ;p

soandos

@JourneymanGeek I was being charitable

ekaj

Do I use ATA or AHCI when installing an OS on an SSD? I looked at this link, but to me the paragraph doesn't make sense - wondershare.com/disk-utility/install-windows7-on-ssd.html

soandos

03:01

Anyone know where I can verify a microsoft public key?

Journeyman Geek

@ekaj: no reason to use ATA on a modern OS

so, yes, AHCI

your bios/uefi bios equivilent thing should have that as the default

Bob

03:38

@JourneymanGeek I have a UEFI that defaults to IDE/PATA :\

soandos

04:12

@JourneymanGeek is a question about laptops causing interference on topic for EE.SE?

Journeyman Geek

04:27

@soandos: I have no idea. I used to be on EE when it was in beta, and the rules changed somewhat since then

soandos

@JourneymanGeek got it, thanks

Sathya

04:48

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Q: What is the cheapest, most efficient printer that's compatible with Linux?

Being that my Kodak printer (I will no longer get any more kodak printers) doesn't work properly any more (see How do I get my Kodak ESP C310 Printer to print pictures?) and tomorrow being tax free weekend starting up, I wanted to see what people (you) thought would be the best printer to get tha...

10.04 printing compatibility elementary kodak

whee

soandos

thats not closed?

Sathya

05:05

@soandos it's on ubuntu, so I can only flag... and my flag was marked as 'helpful' with no action taken. Guess they allow such questions

soandos

@Sathya, I thought you were pointing it out for some other reason

Sathya

fantastic.

soandos

@Sathya, if only you were a mod there... ;)

Journeyman Geek

lol

Sathya

@soandos hehe.

Journeyman Geek

05:06

I think its a wider issue of mod culture

;p

soandos

what does that mean? if you don't want to take action, don't mark as helpful...

Sathya

@soandos shrug..

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Q: What printer should I buy?

Im would like to buy a printer. I already have a lexmark x2670 and have been horrible to make it work (wich still without working) so...I want to know what printer brand is good to use and easy to install in ubuntu oneiric (11.10)? Thanks.

printing

yep. they do allow product reccos.

soandos

huh

thought that was against SE policy

Sathya

@soandos it's an SE guideline, it's up to the community to take it up

the problem now is your search for best linux printer and you get 3 questions saying "ooo try this, this is good". Then you go to buy it to find the product is no longer available.

and hence the question and the answers are now worthless & just noise.

soandos

its just alien to me

Journeyman Geek

05:20

lol

thats why its better to do such things on chat ;)

Sathya

6

Q: Are hardware recommendations considered off topic?

Fairly straightforward question, I don't want to clutter up the main site if it is. Edit: More specifically, hardware recommendations as it applies to driver support and the like in Ubuntu. Obviously this isn't the place for general "which CPU is better" questions.

discussion support asking-questions

doesn't really answer the question though

soandos

@Sathya this just reminds me why I like SU the most :)

Sathya

in all fairness, we did have product recommendations earlier, back in 2009.. clamped it down soon enough.. quite a lot of noise was made then

Journeyman Geek

@Sathya: and there's supposed to be an exemption for really niche stuff

Sathya

yes but that's rare enough I believe

Journeyman Geek

05:26

I think there was that computer for outdoors, and the HTPC remote questions

Bob

06:15

@Sathya software recommendations don't normally have the same 'too localised' problem, though. They just happen to be subjective ('not constructive') a lot of the time :P

@JourneymanGeek And that one about mechanical keyboards...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Well, most of the valid answers weren't subjective

If you asked someone about mechanical keyboards as a class, the answer will still be useful in future

on the other hand, specific keyboards...

They fixed the one thing i hate about this keyboard in the new model. Its no longer a fingerprint magnet ;p

Journeyman Geek

07:31

hmm

superuser.com/questions/457080/stream-desktop-to-youtube-upload do we really want people telling people how to select the right answer right off the bat?

soandos

No

its not part of the answer in any case

jokerdino

shouldn't be inside the answer

Journeyman Geek

lol

someone beat me to editing it in while i was asking that

drat ;p

soandos

@JourneymanGeek, sorry :)

Journeyman Geek

Its ok ;p

Could be worth a meta question for documentation's sake?

soandos

07:34

sure, just link to revision history

Journeyman Geek

Should probably self answer that, but can't be arsed just yet ;p

soandos

@JourneymanGeek can't see the question yet

Journeyman Geek

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Q: When is it appropriate to tell a user how and when to select an answer?

We had a (relatively new) user include If this solved your problem, please accept it as an answer (clicking [this] ). I only say so because you're new and may not know your way around superuser and all other stack exchange sites. to an answer to a newer user. While, least to me, th...

discussion

feel free to edit it ;p

feeling just a tiny bit braindead XD

soandos

Thoughts? superuser.com/review-beta/suggested-edits/11768

Journeyman Geek

Actually I passed that one on cause I'm not sure ;p

jokerdino

07:48

i wouldn't mind.

soandos

@JourneymanGeek I could have sworn there is already a meta post on this (too tired to find it just now) but it may have been on MSO

Bob

@soandos I just chucked a list of related MSO questions in a comment

soandos

@Bob thanks

Journeyman Geek

XD

Thanks ;p

bluejeansummer

08:10

I'm putting a desktop together, and it just did a good flashbang imitation. I think that means a capacitor blew, but I can't find one with a blown top.

Could it be inside my power supply?

Sathya

I don't think a blown capacitor would do a flashbang.

but yes the PSU is what you should look at @bluejeansummer

bluejeansummer

Any way I can tell whether it's that vs the motherboard? I don't want to RMA the wrong piece.

Eh, don't worry about it. I'll continue work in the morning. It's getting late.

Sathya

@bluejeansummer if you have a spare PSU you can swapping it and see if all's fine

Gnoupi

08:26

Hm. Amazon links are not changing to sponsored anymore?

Sathya

@Gnoupi looks so..

rather some are, some aren't.

Bob

09:00

hm

Sathya

yes

remind me to do so

Bob

@Sathya uhm.. who are you talking to? :P

Sathya

@Bob cute

Bob

@Sathya To clarify, I removed it before I saw you say that :P

Sathya

lol

Bob

09:06

unsubstantial/incomplete edits! superuser.com/review-beta/suggested-edits/11787 :(

Journeyman Geek

lol, PSU swapping would be the first thing i'd try

I've only seen PSUs blow up twice

Bob

@JourneymanGeek though there's always the chance it's a MB short that's causing the PSU to blow up...

...in which case the new PSU will also blow up :P

Journeyman Geek

@bluejeansummer: you'd also want to do the sniff test

@Bob: I know ALL about blowing up PSUs ;p

also voltage regulators also blow up, but yes, follow your nose ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek does your dog('s) nose help? ;)

Journeyman Geek

lol

maybe ;p

Gnoupi

09:08

Any mod wants to press a button (merge or destroy, your choice) today? I have one for you:

Pritam Pal

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For all those destructive needs

Bob

yay, spammers who fill in the website field

Gnoupi

At this point it's making it a bit too easy

@Bob he actually posted an "answer" referring to the same link yesterday, it got deleted, but not the user. given his "website" info, I guess it's obvious that it was just an account for spam

Bob

@Gnoupi It's unregistered, too...

slhck

09:23

do we do code review here?

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Q: Need some Tips for good practice in my bash script

I am running a scheduled script on my iPhone that logs in to a website, downloads a PDF, adds it to iBooks and uploads it to dropbox. All of this happens only when it has WiFi acess. I want to make it as error proof as possible. So I am open for criticism and tipps since it is my first bash scrip...

bash bash-scripting

Journeyman Geek

nope

there may be a SE for that ;p

Sathya

@JourneymanGeek Code Review

slhck

Should we migrate it there?

Journeyman Geek

@Sathya: was looking it up ;p

HaydnWVN

@Sathya hope you don't mind me expanding on your edit: superuser.com/questions/457088/…

Sathya

09:37

@slhck there are 29 questions on bash - just had a look at their most recent question, think we can migrate it

Gnoupi

@slhck - your comment has a typo

We can migrate the question to Code Review for you, but here it's off topic since there's no specific problem to face, sorry. If you want it migrated flag away and we'll do that. — slhck 6 mins ago

can't*

slhck

@Gnoupi What do you mean? We can migrate it if he wants.

Gnoupi

nevermind, i'm tired

I thought it was only for some sites, like the close reason seems to indicate

slhck

No, I would have migrated it but I wasn't sure what kinds of questions Code Review likes etc

But @Sathya you can move it if you want

Gnoupi

didn't know the moderators had access to the whole list

and i haven't obviously read your comment to the end :p

slhck

09:42

haha

well we can migrate it to the Christian Meta site too if we want o/

Gnoupi

do that with the guy asking to circumvent the trial period

so he can think back on himself and what he wanted to do

sorry.

slhck

You shall not steal or what? :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

Sathya

@slhck done

slhck

@Sathya Thanks, also for the edit

Journeyman Geek

09:45

@Gnoupi: where? ;p

I have close votes to spare ;p

slhck

Already closed

Journeyman Geek

aww

Gnoupi

@JourneymanGeek Heh. 2,5 years ago it was "does anyone have a close vote to spare? We can't manage to close the questions, not enough persons voting" :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

slhck

not really the case anymore with the review queue

Journeyman Geek

09:48

@Gnoupi: I think for a few weeks after the new review queue, we were completely out of close votes ;p

slhck

yeah, I guess everyone ran out at least once during that period :P

Gnoupi

yeah, in the early days, it was more effective to flag, to get something closed

Poor @Diago

Journeyman Geek

@Gnoupi: eheh. I am quite sure i got warned at some point to VTC rather than flag

Gnoupi

Now that's a title which tells a lot:

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Q: PC with windows 7

When I run Apache Tomcat startup.bat file manually the cmd console stays open, when I run the same in java code, the console closes. (I am trying to automate some processes in my project). For Windows it seems when Tomcat is run as an application the console must remain open after the .bat runs. ...

windows-7 batch

Journeyman Geek

lol

Gnoupi

09:51

the first weeks I was a moderator, I don't think anyone had time for a close vote

(in the european time zone. I did sleep)

Journeyman Geek

XD

@Gnoupi: possibly before my 'active' period here ;p

Gnoupi

I think my record was a migration in 15 seconds

(it was a programming question)

jokerdino

You beat random's 20 seconds apparently.

Gnoupi

it was probably in the same area

when you start monitoring all new questions with the rss feed... You have a problem.

jokerdino

Wait, you want to kill yourself?

When you are getting 100+ questions everyday, you will die... Soon.

HaydnWVN

09:54

... Or the lack of sleep? Live RSS feeds are soooo... Engaging!

Gnoupi

it was not as bad, actually, it was around one per a few minutes, and you usually see the (eventual) problems in the preview

Oliver Salzburg

Heh, the month rolls over and suddenly my Imgur upload is back to normal...

This is an outrage!

Sathya

lol

Boris_yo

Hey my friends at SU! How are you?

What's up @HaydnWVN ?

Welcome @GrahamPerrin to SU!

@OliverSalzburg Where can I find bandwidth statistics of Imgur?

HaydnWVN

10:11

@Boris_yo Hey Boris, not much, how's things with you?

Graham Perrin

@Boris_yo TY

Rain

@Boris_yo Of a specific image on Imgur? Remove the "i." and the image extension from the URL. Bandwidth is located under the image preview.

(If comments exist on the image I think the information gets moved to the right side-panel though)

Boris_yo

@Rain No I meant whole website statistics i.e bandwidth usage daily/weekly/monthly, images watched daily/weekly/monthly, maintenance cost etc.

Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/t/press_statistics/

Rain

@Boris_yo Oh, I have no clue then. :/

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo "About 23TB per month, and growing."

reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9tlwi/im_the_imgur_guy_ama

More recent sources claim 2TB a day

Rain

10:18

@Boris_yo Just found this: imgur.com/stats

Boris_yo

I read YouTube maintenance is worth at $1M per month.

Oliver Salzburg

4TB a day claimed here: quora.com/…

Boris_yo

Oh shit! Over 675K images in 10 hours!!!

Rain

It's crazy!

Oliver Salzburg

And finally:

Imgur

Imgur (pronounced imager and stylized imgur) is an online image hosting service founded by Alan Schaaf. It offers free image hosting to millions of users a day, serving over ninety terabytes of images daily. No registration or membership is required. The company is based in San Francisco. The service was created as a response to the usability problems encountered in similar services, which the creator describes as "bloated, confusing and annoying". The website became a sensation following its rise to popularity on social news websites such as Reddit and Digg. On January 10, 2010, Scha...

Almost 100TB a day

My money on that last estimate :P

Boris_yo

10:20

@OliverSalzburg Your money?

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo It means, I assume the last estimate to be correct.

As in "I would be betting on this"

Boris_yo

@Rain Ads and donations are enough to break-even. Only break-even.

@OliverSalzburg How much? Pounds? Euros? Dollars? Do you have Forex account?

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo It's a hypothetical statement. "If I was to take part in a bet on how much bandwidth Imgur uses in a month, I would bet on the estimate put forth on Wikipedia." Given that noone is offering such a bet (and if someone would, I still wouldn't take part in it), I also don't have to name an amount :)

Journeyman Geek

places a bet of 2 peanuts and some belly lint.

Boris_yo

Marketing is abused these days:

Buy Lexus and get a hanky for free!
Buy 100, get 1 free!
Talk for 1000 minutes per month and pay only 5c for minute!
Make haircuts in barbershop on a weekly basis and get your first free haircut!
Upgrade to internet premium package and get LCD spray cleaning kit for free!

Rain

10:36

Hey, what is the protocol on this (read the last two comments of the answer): superuser.com/a/456053/149470 ? Should I flag every meaningless comment, or will the mod get an alert that I responded?

Should I flag the answer itself?

jokerdino

any answer with more than 20 comments gets autoflagged

Journeyman Geek

@Rain: I'd just @slhck since he was the mod who answered

the protocol really is to avoid overlong comments ;p

HaydnWVN

@Rain I'd be inclined to leave it, flag the first comment or 2. I'd already spotted it and upvoted yours (and Spiff's) comments and flagged the others as non-constructive

slhck

@HaydnWVN Thanks for the flags, I saw them but dismissed them for the time being since it's really hard to dissect such a comment thread.. so you either delete all or have the users involved pick the most important ones.

HaydnWVN

If you refresh the question you'll see the comments with the upvotes are displayed by default with the non-upvoted 'hidden'

slhck

10:42

But with the votes on the comments it's definitely nicer.

HaydnWVN

@slhck Yeah it's hard to know what to do with it, but at least the misinformation isn't so prominent by a few upvotes :)

slhck

I've removed a few comments and it should make sense now. Anyway, I don't think this is worth spending too much time with ;) @HaydnWVN @Rain

Rain

@slhck Thanks; sorry about that.

slhck

@Rain No worries :)

HaydnWVN

@slhck I didn't lol ;)

Sathya

10:55

@HaydnWVN no, no - anything which improves the original post is fine. Thanks.

HaydnWVN

@Sathya That post needed a lot of improving lol

Diogo

good morning everyone!

Oliver Salzburg

@Diogo Greetings

HaydnWVN

11:15

@Diogo Hey Diogo

Sathya

11:25

@HaydnWVN lol

Sathya

12:03

@KronoS / @OliverSalzburg I've cleaned up the Clean up question(!) a bit

slhck

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Q: Is it ok to transfer large data using wireless ADSL router?

I had this Nokia Siemens ADSL wireless router (with 4 Ethernet ports) ...I used it as a router to transfer files over WiFi between two PCs and as an internet gateway .. it worked OK for some days (although heating badly while transferring files)it was about @8~10MBps ... then it went crap and sta...

wireless-networking router internet file-sharing modem

Am I missing something here?

Oliver Salzburg

@Sathya New targets? O__O

Sathya

@OliverSalzburg well, yeah some were pending in answers :P

Oliver Salzburg

@Sathya Great! I'll get right on it :D

Sathya

@OliverSalzburg noooooooooooooooooo I wantz to up my edit numbers :P

(not really, dig in :P )

heading home, back later

and that shifting gravatar of @OliverSalzburg is driving me nuts >_____________>

Oliver Salzburg

12:07

@Sathya I have no clue how to fix it :(

Journeyman Geek

12:48

@slhck: other than that its probably an old crap modem?

HackToHell

Aweosme engadget.com/2012/08/03/…

Journeyman Geek

blah, I need to pick @sidran32 's brains over something ;p

Or anyone else who has built an AMD box recently

was wondering if they used PGA or LGA type processor sockets

HaydnWVN

13:56

LGA here

Journeyman Geek

what socket?

hm, most of what i'm seeing is PGA

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM3 yup, PGA >_>

Gnoupi

14:17

0

Q: What is a good, cheap, 3D part modeling program?

I need a program to design 3D parts, if I had a few thousands of dollars budget, I would of purchased Inventor or Solidworks but they are much too expensive. Searching the web I only found all kinds of open source programs that are not "professional" enough. I am looking for something cheaper tha...

3d

always annoying to see such questions migrated :p

since they'll just get closed on the landing site

Sathya

@Gnoupi and deleted

Gnoupi

As a mod, when you're in a bad mood, and receive a question which has nothing to do on your site, you can also be petty and send it back.

I think we found a bug like this, it wasn't planned to do it, the first time that happened

Sathya

we have migration rejection now.. now that I've closed this, it doesn't say "migrated to Super User" on Stack Overflow

Gnoupi

Oh, nice

because before, it was making a nice mess :p

Sathya

:P

Gnoupi

14:22

indeed, now it says "off-topic". Nice

HaydnWVN

14:53

@JourneymanGeek Sorry, think it might've been socket F, was an opteron anyways

Journeyman Geek

ahh, that makes sense, AMD is using LGA on server parts

HaydnWVN

15:10

have used AM3+ before, but i prefer to build pentiums where possible

Journeyman Geek

@HaydnWVN: planning on documenting my next build as a blog post. Trying to note where someone would find something different from my setup ;p

for example, traditional drive bays vs the modern caddy style design, and the ZIF/PGA style with the little lever vs the intel drop, lock and cage

HaydnWVN

@JourneymanGeek Fair enough, i used to build 3-4 PC's a day so the shine has firmly worn off :P

last few years i've build a handful, nothing more

*built

Journeyman Geek

building my personal system over the next few months ;p

and frankensteining a spare system over whatever is still worth using ;p

HaydnWVN

I planned and bought the bits for my last (Q6600) and will prob be keeping it a year or 2 longer.

Journeyman Geek

lol

HaydnWVN

15:16

SSD will be my only change i imagine

Journeyman Geek

I would be ok with the shared system if it wasn't shared

HaydnWVN

ah, lol :)

Journeyman Geek

c2d of some sort

HaydnWVN

ewwww

Journeyman Geek

my own system at the moment is a mishmash of parts, Its a dell c2d inside a nice cosair case ;p

HaydnWVN

15:21

Lol yeah, my systems a Q6600 on an Asus P5Q with 6GB OCZ Reaper 8500 with a 4870... In an old LianLi full tower case... Can't even remember which model, it must be at least 10 years old.

Such a beautiful case still, it's had at least 3 different PC's in it

Journeyman Geek

lol

corsair.com/…

This is what i have

HaydnWVN

can't even see mine on the lian-li page, its the full tower version of this one tho: sharkyextreme.com/img/2003/02/he_guide/li_case.jpg

there's no top vent on mine and i've fitted lifting handles to the top and taken the flip out plastic feet off

KronoS

15:47

@Sathya are we doing another round of cleanup?

Sathya

@KronoS finishing up what was started..

KronoS

@Sathya Ah I see that now

HaydnWVN

16:01

cya all, have a good weekend o/

Mokubai

17:27

Hi everyone

soandos

@Mokubai whats up?

Mokubai

Not much, just checking we're all having fun.

You okay @soandos?

soandos

Nothing much going on, still have a nastly C# bug floating around that I can't find, but eh

soandos

17:44

Anyone know when the next data dump is due out?

Sathya

@soandos nope

they were moving to Amazon cloudfront, something's stalled tehre

soandos

Ah, got it. Thanks for the info

so no more clearbits?

Or this is in addition to clearbits?

Sathya

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Q: Data dump for the month of March 2012

Is there going to be a data-dump on ClearBits for the month of March 2012? The last one was in December 2011, and the one before that in September 2011, so according to that schedule, the next one should have been in March 2012.

support status-completed data-dump

@soandos no more clearbits is what I read

this is marked as status-completed

clearbits has upto Apr 2012 clearbits.net/creators/146-stack-exchange-data-dump

soandos

But the march one was on clearbits, and not amazon...

Sathya

right

soandos

17:54

so I'm confused

Sathya

which is why I believe a new meta question is of the order.

Mokubai

20:27

Any mods lurking?

How do we feel about 3 answers when 1 would do? superuser.com/questions/140649/…

Luke

@Mokubai I merged manually... Need someone to delete the old ones

Mokubai

20:54

It'll be a bit sad when /review/low-quality gets depleted, it's a goldmine of flag and edit fodder...

Luke

21:27

Anyone got suggestions of eBooks to read to unlearn procedural programming and learn OOP?

sidran32

21:38

@Luke You shouldn't have to unlearn procedural programming. When OOP first came out, there was the attitude that it was the be-all and end-all of programming methods, but that's not true. Each are useful in different contexts.

Just find a good book on OOP and learn it. Practice it a lot. You'll eventually figure out its strengths and weaknesses compared with procedural programming and then you'll be able to switch between them on the fly. :)

Luke

@sidran32 I can't though :( I've been trying, but I feel the road block is I don't know how I, as an individual programmer, can benefit from it

Plus, lots of the books are based on C, which I can read and understand, but can't write worth crap

sidran32

@Luke Then perhaps you just haven't encountered a really good situation where object oriented programming is clearly beneficial.

C is totally not object-oriented. You can kind of fake it in C, but it's not designed in that way.

Luke

How about for database style applications?

*C++ then

I program in Visual Basic

sidran32

Hmm

The way I ended up learning about OOP was by learning Java.

Luke

I understand the basics, but I'm not either getting how VB interacts with custom objects, or not seeing any benefit for it

Never learnt Java... Maybe I'll try that

sidran32

21:42

Programming GUIs in Java actually could be a good way to learn about OOP. GUI programming doesn't make much sense when programming procedurally, at least in modern applications.

(IMO)

Java's swing library is a good start for Java GUIs.

javax.swing, specifically.

Luke

Is that what you program in @sidran32?

sidran32

@Luke No, it's just how I learned OOP for the first time.

This was 10 years ago. Java has evolved a bit since then, but I don't think it should make much of a difference for this purpose.

Luke

I'll try it, and look for some tutorials

sidran32

Cool.

Hi @ConnorRoss

And @JosephWeissman :)

Joseph Weissman

Hi @sidran32!

Luke

22:13

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Q: RE: CMD.EXE and PATH

I want to a make a comment to a post of mine, for thanking all the nice people that answered the question, but when I click the "Add comment" button, nothing happens. Can it be because the original post was made on another site? Anyway, here it is. Thanks to Synetech, Dennis, Louis, and Adam. It...

windows-7

He's grateful, but it isn't a question :(

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