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12:07 AM
what is GPedit_
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:-)
 
12:18 AM
2 hours ago, by Luke
gpedit.msc from the Run dialog
 
12:33 AM
@allquixotic I just have fb chat set up on pidgin ;p
that way I almost never have to log into it
 
Bob
12:44 AM
@KronoS ah, yea, I should probably install that :P
when actually using Win8, I find myself avoiding MUI apps as much as possible
no offence intended, but I definitely prefer the web interface, if only because I'm familiar with it
 
12:55 AM
I feel so proud now :) I just made my own Prime Number utility
 
Bob
1:30 AM
@Luke which method?
 
I must be going soft.
I LQ flagged an answer that was obvious blogspam instead of spamflagged it
 
@Bob that's what I need to know... I'm looking for feedback on bugs and UI
 
@Bob: same here
 
Heyo
@nhinkle Do I need to use gloves or anything to handle the mobo?
 
1:47 AM
@casperOne hah, no. Just make sure you ground yourself (touch some metal on the case) before you start
As you may have glanced over in that blogpost of jeff's i sent you, most of this stuff is reasonably resilient. Just don't rush and don't smash things and you should be OK.
 
To discharge static. The new case is good enough I assume, right?
@nhinkle I did read a decent amount. I have it on the box with the anti static bag under
Ripjaws, easiest clamshell packaging EVAR
 
depends on where you are but generallu touching a bare metal surface is supposed to be enough
/me just built a box. And apparently broke the motherboard >_>
 
BTW, I have like all hardwood floors in my house, no carpets, at all.
 
@JourneymanGeek o_O how?
 
And I walk barefoot, but I touch the metal heh
 
1:50 AM
@nhinkle: apparently I used too much force installing the cpu
or it was DOA, got it swapped
 
Alright memory in
 
apparently those LGA 1155s are a bit ... finicky, the guy at the store was like use one finger and add it in VERY slowly. I just got the distributor to install it for me
 
@JourneymanGeek What about the LGA2011s?
 
donno, never installed one
 
How do I install the heat sink without putting the CPU in first. I assume I have to do that.
 
1:52 AM
I suggest being as GENTLE as possible when attacking the retainer
you put the CPU first ;p
naturally
 
@Bob Number starting at 2, check if another counter (up to the number before the first) is divisible by the second. If it is, it's not prime, so skip and do it again
I'm learning C. I just wanted to do the project for the heck of it, wasn't part of my class
 
how do I know if the CPU is flush/installed right?
Why is clippy in this room?
 
well, it won't boot up otherwise
 
@JourneymanGeek Perfect time to answer that question!
 
and generally CPU installs these days are just drop in, put the hannibal lector mask over it, then lock it in place
@Luke: XD
 
1:56 AM
@JourneymanGeek It feels a little loose in the socket, is it supposed to be like that?
 
its just supposed to sit on there until you clamp it in
 
Like I'd expect the fit to be ultra tight, or is it not like that?
 
naw, isn't ultra tight
 
Are you trying to install a new CPU?
 
Ok, its in. heat sink
 
1:57 AM
You should see two notches, make sure they're lined up. It should just fall in
Then put the clamp down
 
Building my own comp, @nhinkle told me I should come in here outside the confines of TL
 
Then put the heat sink on
When the heat sink goes in, make sure the four corner posts are NOT turned counter clockwise like the arrow shows
 
I dragged him into the daylight.
 
Hmm, this is a problem.
 
1:58 AM
Then push down in one corner, go across... Then the other corners
 
The processor didn't come with a heat sink
 
got an after market one?
they probably have their own instructions
 
For aftermarket, remove the motherboard
 
probably a baseplate
 
1:59 AM
Put the plate on under the board, then the heat sink will have something to secure to
 
@Luke: I don't think is motherboard is in the case
 
I don't have a heat sink
 
well
you need a heatsink ;p
 
!!!!
No heatsink != good
 
XD
quite
 
2:00 AM
FUUU
 
Looks like @Ben is in trouble....
 
this is why I had a checklist building my system ;p
 
If you need one, try the Hyper 212 CPU cooler
 
@casperOne did you buy some sort of OEM version of the CPU or something?
 
Or the H60/H80, depending on your case
 
2:00 AM
/me wanted a cosair H80 ;p
 
I like the H100 :D In the Antec P280 chassis
 
but its not really that useful for me since my processor runs pretty cool
 
Can't tell based on the box.
 
tomshardware.com/reviews/… seems normal that it has no HS
 
Retail CPUs come with coolers
 
2:01 AM
not the high end SB-Es apparently
 
@casperOne can you link us to the newegg page for the one you bought?
 
Yeah, give me a sec. I'm pretty sure I have to buy a heat sink, oops.
 
BRB all
 
@Luke: cosair 600T, fans are running at half speed, letting the mobo control it
 
2:02 AM
only complaint is the lack of front USB 3 - there's one connector (but not a proper one) but it won't reach one of my rear slots
 
curse the slow internet here
 
yup
you need a HS ;p
 
@casperOne that should come with a heatsink
wait lies
> Cooling device not included - Processor Only
and holy crap, 6 core processor omgwtfbbq?
but why sandy bridge, not ivy bridge?
 
lol
there's no IB LGA 2011s
 
@nhinkle Don't need ivy bridge, they don't have an enthusiast line for ivy bridge
Aight, I'll have to order this tonight. Should I remove the processor from the MOBO and repack it or can I slip the mobo back into the anti static bag and put it in the box?
 
2:05 AM
@nhinkle: that seems to be the case. Intel seems to suggest using their watercooler
 
@casperOne should be fine to leave it all out, just sitting on the bag
 
you can just leave it in the motherboard, and pop the mobo back in the bag
 
you should install RAM while you've got everything out
 
or what @nhinkle sair ;p
 
but anything more than that will make installing the cooler a pain in the butt
 
2:06 AM
@JourneymanGeek Oh yeah, the ram is in. It's ok to leave this lying out?
 
(and god, that sucks)
well, I did when I was working on mine
 
if you spent $600 on a CPU you can hopefully afford overnight shipping :P
 
granted, the motherboard was borked ;p
 
@nhinkle Yes, but I wont get it until Sat, I believe.
 
better hurry!
 
2:08 AM
this is whyI love having reasonably priced local stores ;p
hmm, also, not that I am getting one, but 20 bucks for a refurb 9000 series gforce sounds worth it? ;p
 
@nhinkle I'm wondering if I can find something local
 
@casperOne: There's a building here thats mostly computer stores
 
@JourneymanGeek Whereabouts are you?
 
singapore ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Just saw, a bit far for me =P
 
2:10 AM
Where are you, @casperOne
 
but its useful to know what the local computer stores are ;p
 
@Luke NYC
 
Bob
@Luke so.. trial division?
 
Can't help much then...
 
Bob
slow, but reliable :P
 
2:11 AM
@Bob Yup
I originally wanted to only go up to the square root of the number, but I couldn't figure out EASILY how to do modulus division from a double into an integer
 
Bob
I suggest looking at the Sieve of Erastosthenes for a reasonably efficient (more memory than CPU) and easy to implement method
there was another one, which is much more efficient
but I forgot :\
 
I'm trying to write a program to work the CPU. My company has one that does it for Windows, but I want to write one in C so I can use it on Mac or Linux too
 
Bob
@Luke a modulus division from a double into an integer?
 
But I'll look that up, NTL
Integer would be the number I'm evaluating
The Square Root returns a double
How can I round down to the lowest whole number?
 
Bob
floor
or, you can just truncate
 
2:14 AM
Hmmm
 
Bob
you can truncate (cut off everything after the decimal point) by casting to int
 
floor(double); ?
My instructor hasn't gone over casting yet
 
Bob
so, int intVar = (int)doubleVar;
As far as floor, you'll need to #import <cmath>
 
@nhinkle Have any suggestions for cooling? I value quiet, so liquid is an option if you have a recommendation
 
@casperOne no idea. My desktop came with a heatsink that seems to work fine for what i do.
 
@casperOne: If your case will fit it, the cosair H80 is supposed to be great
 
Bob
@casperOne don't liquid cooling solutions often require fans too?
at least a pump
 
Bob
generally, larger fans aren't as obvious (noise-wise)
 
I think that was recommended to me, let me find it
 
2:17 AM
H70 doens't need a fan
 
er, that has two fans ;p
 
The H70?
Oh, you're right
 
For some reason, the one we have in my store DOESN'T...
 
Newegg is out of the h70 across the board
 
2:19 AM
my intuition is that liquid cooling is more hassle than it's worth
 
That said, my stock cooler + case fans seem nearly silent
 
@Bob Do I just go (type)(variable)?
 
Bob
passive cooling might work with an ULV CPU and a large heatsink :P
@Luke yea, that's about it
 
Well, that is good to know!
 
Bob
doesn't have to be a variable, though
 
2:23 AM
That's good to know
And I heard about that other method, once I googled it and saw the video
I did that myself when I first learned about prime numbers
 
@nhinkle Ok, I'm obviously stalled. I'll have to place the order tomorrow when I find what I'm going to get. I'm going to see if I can find a place in NYC that has the cooler I want. And we can continue from there. At least I got the processor and memory in. Let's hope I didn't bork the processor
Thanks for all your help all
 
.... Did his avatar just slide down the snowhill as he left?
 
@Luke yes.
 
... Wow, what a great christmas gift!
 
Bob
Dec 10 at 10:27, by Sathya
meanwhile TIL there's a new animation for enter/exiting chat. (open this room in incognito, leave this room from normal window and watch it in incog window!)
 
2:35 AM
Anyways, I gotta run... I get to par-take in a Naval mess dinner :)
Night all!
 
 
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5:18 AM
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Q: Backing Up vs. Redundancy

TK KocheranI'm currently in stage 2 of 3 of building my home workstation. What this means is that my RAID-0 array of solid state disks will be backed up nightly to a RAID-5 or RAID-6 array of traditional spinning hard disks. However, it recently dawned on me that redundancy is not backup. The main reason fo...

 
I really need backups in another galaxy in case the sun explodes
man, sisoft sandra takes ages to run
 
5:47 AM
TIL Drm can be used on jar files <_<
 
 
3 hours later…
8:54 AM
hmm
update all the apps!
 
9:45 AM
Well, crap.
I never used powershell. (other than pasting pre-made scripts of others)
But that does not seem to stop me from posting powershell answers.
I guess I have to admit that the language is relative clear.
 
friday afternoon is a tough time to work, esp when you have a 2 week vacation ahead
 
Anyone familiar with bat sintax? Is it a sin to use that these days?
 
I seriously need to start a userscript for Super User :\
 
O-o
@OliverSalzburg for?
 
@Sathya I always want to see the year in all timestamps
 
9:58 AM
@OliverSalzburg +1
 
Because I regularly parse "Dec 10" as something from 2010
@Hennes As long as it gets the job done. What do you need?
This could get you started: superuser.com/questions/508651/… :D
 
I do not need anything. And what the user needs is not clear. Change something on line 32, with an example of changes on lines 33,34 and 35 and no change on line 32.
 
@Hennes Oh, I see
 
This one
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Q: How to add string at line number in between 2 words (one known and one unknown) unteel empty line?

myWallJSONHow to add string at line number (32) in between 2 words (one known (class) and one unknown (*) ) unteel empty line is found? say turning something like //... line 32 class EventA; class EventB; class EventC; //... into //... line 32 class API EventA; class API EventB; class API EventC; //...

I should edit his or her unteel and sintax
 
> unteel
 
10:02 AM
I think so ;p
 
Looks pretty much like he's going at it from the wrong direction
He's somehow dealing with code, there's bound to be a better solution somewhere else :D
 
If I had more coffee I would have told him to install the Hamilton C shell and repost. Nicole could have answered it. :)
 
@Hennes If it's some kind of pre/post build he should just write the scripts in the language the program is written in and run it beforehand
Sounds like an XY problem thing
 
10:47 AM
Oh, brilliant: "Illegal firework should be outlawed."
 
@Hennes LOL fantastic idea :P
 
Source: Pieter van Vollenhoven. That is someone who really should know better.
 
11:59 AM
Microsoft wanted this removed
3
Q: How do I get Windows 8 RTM without a MSDN account?

KronoSI want NEED Windows 8 RTM, but sadly don't have MSDN access. Is there any way that I can try out the Windows 8 OS without the costly MSDN access?

There is actually an take down request for this question superuser.com/questions/50601/editing-the-hosts-file
 
Bob
@HackToHell A lot of this these claims are automatic (and arguably abuse of DMCA provisions). It shouldn't be too hard to get MS to withdraw it...
 
Wtf, Google changed something with their Exchange Calendar syncing!
I can't manage the the multiple calendars anymore; to get them working for a windows8 laptop. Only some weeks ago it worked;to see all devices and now they only show settings for iOS device.
This is an outrage!
 
 
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1:28 PM
Does anyone know how I can get to boot options or enter safe mode in win 8 from system startup?
 
@Sathya shift + f8
The less clean way is a hard shutdown on the windows 8 logo, forces the choices to appear at next boot
 
@Sathya along with multiple swear words and rebooting repeatedly
 
Bob
for a brand new Windows 8 installation, I am getting way too many BSoDs
 
Ah fuck it I'll just do a reset
 
Bob
1:34 PM
@Sathya spam f8
 
Back tomorrow or so. Cya
F8 didn't work btw
 
Bob
which apparently isn't supposed to work o.O
HP must've messed with the bootloader
@Sathya good luck
wtf is this watchdog.sys that caused a blue screen?
 
1:57 PM
@Bob I don't know, but when I look it up on Google, it's a all BSODs :D
Seems like that is its purpose ;P
 
Bob
lol
 
@Sathya: msconfig
 
Bob
@OliverSalzburg oh, thanks
I know about that timer, but never linked it to this file
but.. isn't this supposed to resolve driver hangs without a hard restart?
not cause a hard restart itself?
-_-
> If the attempt fails, the watchdog generates bug check 0xEA, THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER.
 
Well, to my understanding, there's the possibility that a faulty driver could cause a bugcheck through watchdog
 
Bob
2:01 PM
but mine is 0x00000113, with no bug check string (not sure if there should be one in Win8)
 
So it would still be the fault of the driver (or hardware), but by disabling the bug check, at least you won't get a bsod :D
Oh, I see
 
Bob
> This bug check appears very infrequently.
I guess I'm special...
 
Bob
These actions might prevent an error like this from happening again:

    Download and install updates and device drivers for your computer from Windows Update.
    Scan your computer for computer viruses.
    Check your hard disk for errors.
...that must be the most uselessly generic advice (from MSDN) I have ever seen for a BSoD
 
@Bob I think they've put that on every stop code documentation page
But everything seems to point in the direction of graphics
 
Bob
2:04 PM
sigh
 
@Sathya: if it works long enough i.imgur.com/zCVFt.png
 
Bob
doesn't help that this is the first time I've had switchable graphics
 
@Bob: tried Bluescreen view and whocrashed?
 
Bob
I have no clue if it's safe to update the drivers :P
@JourneymanGeek How do you think I got the error code? :P
 
ahh ;p
 
Bob
2:05 PM
I missed the actual blue screen
 
bluescreenview?
whocrashed is worth trying too
 
Bob
closed the lid, left for a bit, opened the lid, it resumed from the blinking sleep light with a cold boot
 
dmesg for windows would be a huge hit
 
Bob
> China's Communist Party newspaper picking up an Onion story
> an Onion story
:D
 
2:10 PM
@allquixotic wevtutil ftw, I guess ;P
wevtutil qe System /c:1 /f:text /rd:true doesn't that go down smooth...
 
have to stir the potatoes, brb (not a metaphor)
 
Better a metaphor than a euphamism
 
2:24 PM
@jou my problem is the moment I install AMD radeon drivers the my laptop screen display goes off
 
o0
is it maybe switching to another display?
 
so when booting or when system is woken from sleep I see the display but the moment windows loads the driver the laptop screen is off
I have no idea
Hell I don't even know if the drivers get installed completely
 
ugh, messy
 
start the driver install somewhere in middle screen is cutff
can VGA switcheroo cause this?turn off dedicated GPU output so when the drivers for radeon are installed the display is switched to that but the pipeline is off?
I have no idea why this is happening.
Same set of drivers worked fine previously
 
I almost decided to help you just now because you mentioned "radeon" and "VGA switcheroo", but then I realized I have a ton of work to do; I'm at work; and should do it. :(
 
2:30 PM
@all that's fine cause I'm about.to board bus to my hometown
the amount of trouble I'm getting makes me want to stash it to attic as my Linux box and get a new desktop
Got into safe mode
Apparently windows installer is not available in safe mode #facepalm
FTS.
 
yeap
 
Bob
2:48 PM
@Sathya system restore?
that tends to help with driver issues
 
@HackToHell Delete the .pid file
Oh, harry hit 100k
 
but how do you know to find it in /var/run/openvpn ?
 
@Hennes Either that's where they usually go or that's where the openvpn config says to put it
 
/var/run seems logical enough. And googling is quick enough. :)
Or, maybe the manual? (which I did not check)
 
Bob
3:04 PM
what's going on?
 
@Bob In general?
 
Bob
3:22 PM
@OliverSalzburg with OpenVPN
gah
I forgot to copy my PuTTY sessions
all I have is an image of that hard drive
which is, of course, mounted as read only
which means I can't modify permissions
so I can't give myself access to my profile, which is where the HKCU registry hive sits, which is were PuTTY stores its saved sessions
:\
time for psexec
@Hennes ...is that supposed to exist?
all I have is a /var/run/openvpn.server.pid (unless you're talking about the client)
 
Bob
@allquixotic Hi Sean :P
 
@Bob Hi Bob :P
 
Bob
A problem I've always had with plugins is finding the correct one, moreso when there's many plugins that accomplish the same thing, whether with the same or different methods.
@allquixotic that's.. old.
 
3:38 PM
@Bob this is more true with huge and extremely popular apps like web browsers which have thousands of addons from all different sources
actually, if the core developer of the app makes a bunch of streamlined, well-integrated, clearly separable and distinct plugins, then it becomes less muddled with ones that "kinda" get the job done, or having to choose between 6 different plugins that all do 92% of what you want
 
Bob
@allquixotic but that will eventually happen to any popular program with at least adequate plugin support
 
for one thing, the core developer knows their app (and their users) more than any third-party dev, so they can chunk out the best code
 
Bob
@allquixotic that could work
 
@Bob yeah, but you can set some kind of sanity threshold on the requirements for accepting plugins into whatever plugin distribution system you are using
I'm not saying be Apple
I'm saying evaluate the plugins before accepting them into your repository
 
Bob
though I'm still rather annoyed at TechSmith for not providing an imgur upload plugin, nor documenting their plugin API
 
3:40 PM
Ubuntu does this for all incoming Debian software packages already
 
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Q: How can I install Windows 8 on my HDD without the use of a USB or DVD?

r.tanner.fI decided to install Windows 8 on my home machine this weekend. I've already downloaded the Windows 8 Enterprise Evaluation iso, however we just got done moving and somewhere in the chaos I've misplaced all my USB drives along with my DVD drive. On top of that, my home PC is the primary source of...

what the heck is going on with the voting/accepting there?!
 
haven't seen tanner for weeks
@Bob but yeah, I'm not saying that you should categorically disallow third-party plugins; just that you should vet them before making them part of the official plugin distribution system... of course, if it's open source software, nobody can stop anybody from writing their own plugins or even forking the main app, but if you're reasonable, that's not too likely
the main thing you can avoid, by vetting them, is duplicate plugins that replicate the same or nearly the same functionality
and if you have two plugins that do almost the same thing with their own ups and downs, you can instead integrate the best of both plugins into one streamlined plugin
as a core dev with control over the plugin repository (and source code), you can do things like that
 
Bob
@allquixotic there's also the question of how much granularity you want
though that's more case-by-case
 
the granularity is definitely going to depend on a lot of things like the scope of the project and whether you want to allow your PDF reader to double as a mail client, web browser, and general purpose canvas for 3d games
 
Bob
@allquixotic and the 'best' is rather subjective, though I supposed it does not matter in this case
 
3:44 PM
you can't really eliminate subjectivity in the feature design process; that's a given
but you have 4 choices as I noted in my post, and three of them are extremely "in your face" to users and are thus more likely to be polarizing, while the fourth and final choice is the most.... diplomatic :)
 
Bob
I think Microsoft did a good job with Windows. It's reasonably easy to use *though that may just be due to familiarity), and usually satisfies power users - not exactly an easy thing to do.
 
a plugin system is to options like democracy is to government: it's the worst form of options management except for the other choices that've already been tried
 
Bob
At the very least, the GUI has been a lot more stable than my experiences with KDE. I haven't really used GNOME/Unity/LXDE/XFCE/etc./etc.
 
I think the "good job" with Windows is mainly owing to familiarity, and also their very careful, hands-on approach to studying how users of various groups react to features and UI
they establish a baseline of features that everyone can live with, and implement those hard-coded (Choice 1)
then they implement a few things that are extremely often desired, but only about 40 - 60% of the time, as options (Choice 3)
then they implement "fringe" things that are needed 1 - 10% of the time as addons/plugins/extensions or let third party vendors handle them
 
Bob
@allquixotic The Notepad++ plugin system is an example of a badly managed one. It's got (reasonably) good plugins, but most tend to add a massive chunk of mostly unnecessary functionality, and searching for a plugin that does what you want is... painful.
 
3:49 PM
the ability to realize those choices, take the appropriate action for each feature, and slot each feature into the most deserving category, is basically informed by hard empirical research
the more data and actual observation you have about what features people want, the more informed you can be when deciding where to slot your features between the four choices
Microsoft is a lot of things, but one thing they're commendably good at is gathering data and processing it
of course, the Office team does a horrid job at that; Office has too many options, period.
it just... has... too... many... options! no other way to describe it!
and they're weird, counterintuitive options
 
@Bob Uhm. Kind a lost context here. What exists?
 
Bob
@Hennes I don't know :P
 
@Hennes You exist!
You think, therefore you are! Well, at least, that's true when you assert that. Me, I have no idea.
 
I prefer asserting that here to continuing to clean my home.
 
Bob
...
great.
now that Windows 8 has built in ISO mounting, of course CyberLink has to add that.
and of course HP has to include it.
 
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