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12:01 AM
Do we look like Intel?
weird. question doesn't popup a box
 
wierd
superuser.com/questions/498726/… I want to VTC this, but I have no idea what he's talking about
 
Bob
eh
CS question? lol
Wait. Joe?!
 
Bob
Is it that Joe?
 
yes it is
 
Bob
12:09 AM
@Sathya, looks like we have another Joe? :P
 
flagged as Joe! JOE JOE JOEEEEEE!
 
Joe? O_o
 
Bob
17 hours ago, by slhck
So if you ever see a question by a guy named Joe with a yellow gravatar, feel free to flag for attention
 
that actually made me laugh
 
@r.tanner.f: JOE!
basically some chap who... dosen't quite realise he can log in
and keeps somehow generating new cookie accounts
 
12:12 AM
Nice!
 
Bob
Three months and 22 questions. Wow.
 
Is it me or are there no questions on the front page?
 
@TomWijsman: full refresh
 
Nope, no questions there. :(
 
12:15 AM
I guess the oregon datacenter is suffering under the load
 
Bob
@TomWijsman No questions? Looks normal here.
 
@JourneymanGeek: Works now.
 
Oh good, I wasn't the only one.
 
Also, quite interesting that superuser.com/?tab=interesting also still works and is different from superuser.com/?tab=active.
 
Ya, noticed that on AU, someone on SF was also complaining about it
 
12:17 AM
Yeah it's borked xD
 
A number of SE sites are acting strange. Not really surprising though, that they're suffering the same thing.
 
@IgnacioVazquez-Abrams: same server, and they're running off their backup site
 
Trial by fire for the Oregon data center?
 
I'd prefer not to use that specific phrase. Lets not tempt fate ><
 
12:24 AM
Hmm, I might end up patching Chromium to turn http://superuser.com/ and http://superuser.com/?tab=active into http://superuser.com/?tab=interesting.
 
the questions are gone?
 
They worked for me again, but not anymore now.
 
no, its just having intermittant issues
 
haha activity still works? I just had SU show "3 new active questions" and clicking on it brought them up
 
Bob
12:27 AM
@r.tanner.f It's worked well enough so far
Pretty perfect timing
 
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Q: THE SITES, ZAY ARE FAILINK!

Journeyman GeekThere seems to be some performance issues going on - the active tabs/main pages are empty, things are intermittantly loading and not loading, and.. well.. the sites arn't running like clockwork like they usually do. I'm seeing blank front pages here, SU, SF and on Ask Ubuntu at least.

total repwhorage. 5 upvotes already o0
 
i have a feeling that one of the politicians running for public office in my state is having his site intentionally DDoS'ed by political competitors to prevent him from getting his message out
I don't particularly support this guy but it's just unfortunate that politicians have to be so low about it
 
ya
maybe he should have gotten cloudflare? ;p
 
or use iprules :P
 
@JourneymanGeek: No clue whether my answer should've been a comment. :D
 
12:34 AM
One of the local ISPs tried to block the homepage of another ISP here. -_- They goofed and picked too wide of a range, covering our servers with public IPs leased by the blocked ISP. That was an... awkward phone call to make.
 
@r.tanner.f you asked them if they intentionally blocked the isp?
 
No, I just called and said "Umm... I can't get to anything hosted by [isp name]." Tech support: "Oh! Okay. Hang on just a few minutes."
 
Bob
xD
 
It's also a fairly small town, so it was pretty easy to track down. =\
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Definitely related to the other bug, just different sites :P
The API is throwing out 0s
 
12:42 AM
@Bob: didn't want it closed as an exact dupe
 
this hurricane has given me a sudden nightmare
WHAT IF ALL THE INCREDIBLE ACCRUED KNOWLEDGE OF STACKEXCHANGE WERE PERMANENTLY LOST?!?!?!
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek well, I just learned that (apparently) the SE sites use the public API to list questions, not some internal method :P
 
all they'd have to do is destroy the fallback servers now and..................
poof
 
Bob
@allquixotic if they don't backup, well...
 
yeah, but it would be unimaginably terrible :(
 
12:44 AM
@allquixotic: I actually have some degree of faith in the SE guys
 
we have the latest AU dumps available.
 
Bob
uh oh
my GetData script hasn't fetched within the last 5 minutes
 
and someone polls for new content using API.
 
Bob
something's wrong :\
 
out of API requests?
 
Bob
12:46 AM
yea
gonna have to ssh in and take a look at the output :\
 
register your script or something?
 
Bob
nah, not that. it's registered
 
Bob
wait, there it went
weird
 
12:51 AM
whats ironic about it?
 
Empty front page
 
Bob
weird
it works fine until I try to filter by tags: api.stackexchange.com/2.1/…
 
yes, but somehow I'm getting upvotes >_>
 
:)
jrg just linked in our chat room.
 
jrg?
 
Bob
12:56 AM
judging by what just came up in chat, feeds might still be working?
 
@r.tanner.f he's our AU mod.
 
Bob
woop. it's back?
 
can't watch Undercover Boss without crying
NOT POSSIBLE
 
xD
@allquixotic i never miss it :D
 
did you just watch it?
 
12:58 AM
no, we watch it on sunday night
 
oh
I won't spoil it for you then
it's not really possible to spoil Undercover Boss anyway
they're all the same, yet they're all different
it's a tear jerker though
 
heeh yeah
 
I want my boss to work with me so I get $50,000 :P
@jokerdino hey Ubuntu guy
 
hm yeah?
 
i'm trying to build a source package of my Rhythmbox plugin
done it before for Oneiric but got lazy during Precise
now trying to upload it to my PPA for Precise and Quantal
 
1:05 AM
i am on quantal
 
i have to remember my GPG password or upload a new one
 
okay, keep going.
 
Now running lintian...
E: rbpitch changes: multiple-distributions-in-changes-file precise quantal
why the heck is that an error?
 
do it one by one.
 
wtf.. so you have to submit a source package for quantal only then precise only?
 
1:07 AM
that's what i do o.O
 
wow i hate debian packaging
 
let me see if you can mass upload
why cant you just use the LP recipe?
 
what's the LP recipe?
 
i already manually created the control, changelog and rules files
they worked for uploading to ubuntu 11.10
but i need to sign it with my own gpg key before uploading, right?
 
1:10 AM
i guess
haven't touched on PPA packaging for quite some time.
 
wait.. what? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/153473/… I'm confused, it affects 4 sites and multiple people and its.. too localised?
 
too localized because localized by time
 
all bugs are time localised
they do get fixed
 
blah, random.
 
Bob
1:36 AM
...I don't see what this guy's asking:
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Q: When tab groups are loaded, Firefox becomes unresponsible for minutes (Unresponsive script)

unorI have several tab groups (~ 20) in Firefox. I can start the browser without any problems. However, as soon as I … click at the "Group tabs" icon in the toolbar, or right-click on a tab and hover over "Move to tab group", … Firefox becomes unresponsible/freezes for a rather long time (more th...

 
why do people ask us for 3rd party app support?
 
Bob
I guess if there's a workaround available. Or something. Some of them are valid, but this reads like a bug report, not a question.
 
@MatthewWong 3rd party app support is generally on-topic for superuser, particularly when it's either a user error, or if they don't know whether or not it is a user error
the more dubious questions are like, "I found this bug, and..." (off topic)
but then again, even questions like that sometimes have workarounds
but if the "question" is how to fix the bug, well, that much is off topic, since actually fixing a bug requires source access, knowledge, etc
 
Bob
if asking for a workaround, fine
but if asking 'why does it crash/lag/break when I do this', well... all we can really say is 'don't do it'? :P
 
exactly
 
1:52 AM
that's a sweet home page:
 
/nailbite
fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff build failed!!!!!!! WHY ME
@MatthewWong there's a huge gaping flaw with that "security" analysis
 
hmmm? idk not my blog
 
(1) people who distribute interpreted code are expected to already assume that the user has the source code, and are supposed to "hide" anything they don't want the user to see behind an opaque server. For example, every single web application on the internet has its client-side HTML/JavaScript "source code" available. This guy makes it seem like a problem.
(2) binaries aren't any less susceptible to modification, just less susceptible to people understanding them enough to hack them and successfully modify the functionality without it crashing. that doesn't make binaries more secure; it just increases the time it takes before the user can bend them to their will.
this is why you use things like strong encryption and networking to do things where you'd really care if the user were tampering with it. as it stands, tampering with some HTML code in a Win8 app you download is hardly a problem for the developer; the worst you can do is break your own local copy of the app, and the best you can do is improve the app for yourself by adding features the original devs hadn't thought of.
 
2:07 AM
can't you change the javascript code so that you can set the value of IsTrial? Hmm I might try that....
what's the most expensive app in the windows store?
 
if changing the JS or HTML sources can potentially affect any financial transactions or decide whether or not you have the full version of an app, that is a flaw -- but it's completely orthogonal whether or not the language is interpreted a la JS, or compiled into native code a la binaries
 
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A: IE 10 Search Charm "search text"

James HillNo. This is not a built in feature of Windows 8.

 
that stuff shouldn't be decided or checked client-side period
 
No. Just plain no :)
 
ooh, there's a HTTP client example
 
2:11 AM
@Bob Thank You :)
 
@HackToHell that was a hell of an annoyance for me when i installed windows 8
 
Bob
@allquixotic really, unless you can run it remotely (i.e. on a server out of the user's control) you have no choice
 
@MatthewWong ?
 
Bob
no binaries on any desktop machine are safe from tampering, as the multitude of 'cracked' programs prove :P
 
@HackToHell you were referring to an older message right?
 
2:15 AM
yeah, making it bootable
 
Bob
but then some things just have to be run client side. at which point the developer should just make sure their prices are reasonable, and hopefully remove some incentive to pirate
 
Win 7 USB tool does that, but now I am kinda locked out
 
Bob
@HackToHell you'll want to do that to the partition the bootloadre is on (e.g. System Reserved)
 
and I do not want to reformat my pen drive
 
@Bob For the trial logic? Simple: don't include certain parts of the app functionality at all in the distribution you give to people who haven't yet purchased.
 
Bob
2:16 AM
in Disk Management, Windows shows 'Boot' on the partition containing the currently active Windows folder
 
If the functionality being sold is the client-side functionality and not the server-side, then you can't even give the user the entire app until they have paid you
 
Bob
but it's not actually a flag on thhe partition table or anything
@allquixotic won't work
 
if you do give them the entire app, you've lost... doesn't matter if it's DRMed, assembly, C#, HTML, or .txt
 
Bob
someone could purchase, take the purchased parts, and distribute
one purchase and you've lose control
 
@Bob: simple solution - the harder you grip, the more you slip through your fingers
 
2:17 AM
true, but that's the case for all client-side code or content, even Windows itself (Win8 Pro is already hacked to disable the activation)
@JourneymanGeek exactly
 
It is?
 
Bob
basically, the only way to secure a program is to keep the code (including compiled) in the developer's hands at all times
@allquixotic yyea, that's what I was saying :P
 
I honestly don't blame services for pushing to the cloud or at least serving the real goodies over HTTPS
 
darn, my cousin was asking about that. I keep telling him I'm too old for piracy ;p
 
Bob
this is no different to programs on any OS
of any type
 
2:18 AM
right, and DRM doesn't make a difference because eventually it gets decrypted
 
TIL Boot flag is active partition in Windows
 
@allquixotic: actually there was this great video on it...
 
hang your system when it gets decrypted into RAM or the CPU cache or whatever and freeze your RAM and put it in another computer
 
Bob
even if it doesn't save those locked parts to secondary storage, someone determined enough could extract it from RAM
 
basically NOT having DRM may make it less likely you pirate cause you feel bad about it
 
2:19 AM
and 8 boots up in 5 seconds, unbelievable !
 
Bob
@HackToHell no, active is marked on the partition table
it's the one the BIOS loads
 
@JourneymanGeek that's the philosophy of Stardock :P
 
@allquixotic: and gog
 
Bob
boot (on Windows Disk management) denotes the currently loaded Windows partition
 
I was actually figuring out how to make my usb drive bootable
 
Bob
2:20 AM
@JourneymanGeek heck, I could see providing a (hard to find, e.g. request by email) free copy actually working
lock it down more, more people will pirate on principle
 
well, Humble Indie Bundle makes millions every time they sell anything
 
@allquixotic: precisely
 
Bob
@HackToHell ah... easy way is to use one something like unetbootin
 
Old models arn't dead, but new ones actually work
 
Bob
I prefer YUMI personally
 
2:21 AM
@HackToHell: find the old HP drive format tool
 
I actually like the fact that a lot of companies think that trying to lock things down client-side with DRM, restrictions, etc. is a good idea
 
@Bob it does not set the flag
 
a site called baywolf has a mirror
 
it gives us rebels something to contrast against, so that we seem like the good guys, so people give us money
 
@JourneymanGeek I accidentally used the new version :'(
 
2:22 AM
when the other side looks like the Empire out of Star Wars, you're much more likely to collect some cash from legitimate purchases
 
@HackToHell: n00b mistake
 
Bob
@HackToHell does it need to?
as long as it boots
 
I have been using the hp tool sice you mentioned it to me
 
the new one is made out of fail. the old one is made out of win, awesome and unicorn feathers.
 
wewt
 
2:23 AM
@Bob If the flag is not set, my mobo ignores the drive
 
now to wait for the build again
 
there it is, great video, worth the 10 minutes or so
 
Bruce Schneier is great, I follow his philosophies of security
 
@allquixotic: now the whole internet knows your real name, and e mail address ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek I don't care if you guys know it
 
2:23 AM
@allquixotic: common sense over security theatre ;p
 
as long as it's deleted, only mods can see it
 
and channel owners
 
not "the whole internets"
 
Bob
@HackToHell you sure about that?
 
doesn't bother me anyway, that's public info because i think my email is in my GPG info on ubuntu's keyserver
an email address isn't a password
just need to have a good spam filter / phishing filter
 
2:25 AM
unless the email address is your password
;)
 
Rejected:
File rbpitch_2.97-0ppa1.tar.gz already exists in rbpitch-release, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors.
Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
attacks LaunchPad and dpkg with a sharpened tuning fork
@jokerdino, I hate our distribution tools :/
this is supposed to be easy, not a royal pain in the ass
 
you are supposed to edit the version number?
 
APPARENTLY
 
@Bob totally
 
even for a failed build package
 
2:27 AM
shrug
 
Bob
@HackToHell right, there was a nice tool to format flash drives
brb, diggint it up on the other compiter
 
@allquixotic: Its mainly launchpad
I used to fairly regularly throw together packages for linux for checkinstall and it was painless.
 
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A: Does UNetbooting need to generate a separate boot config file for each computer?

Journeyman GeekI'm guessing plop loaded the USB drive - not the bios, and that's where the problem was. You will probably want to try to make the drive bootable using the hp drive format tool - it flips the bootable property - which windows format often dosen't, and try unetbootin again.

Jou's answer
 
lol. Thats one of the best tools ever.
 
i don't suppose a mod is here right?
 
2:28 AM
@JourneymanGeek I used checkinstall to create my initial debian package structure
 
but all the lint errors made me heavily hack them
it should be literally as easy as:
step 1: write code
step 2: make sure build works
step 3: tell ubuntu the name of the dependency packages
step 4: type one command and send it to the PPA for building/uploading
if it's not that easy, I get frustrated >_>
 
Bob
Use Parts Manage
Reformat USB Disk
USB-HDD mode
well, that's assuming it didn't have a partition table in the first place
if it did you can just Activate :P
There should be an A in the Act column
...or you could fiddle with the Process MBR/PBR buttons on the main screen
I really have no idea how your BIOS decides which to boot :P
 
is it allowed to share 3rd party apps? (not paid apps)
 
@MatthewWong Not paid doesn't mean not free, so it'll depend on the license.
 
Bob
2:42 AM
share?
 
nevermidn it seems to be something wrong on the user end
 
@JourneymanGeek fascinating video, i've seen RSAs before
at first i thought it was from RSA Security though
 
Paypal RSA :)
 
@Bob ok, thanks a lot
 
Bob
3:20 AM
-_-
The comments on the question.. am I misinterpreting the question?
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Q: Restart and then automatically shutdown windows 8

Klas MellbournWindows 8 has a hybrid shutdown that has some (perhaps minor) downsides. Hybrid shutdown is faster, so I do not want to turn it off permanently. However, when I am sure that I am about to leave the stationary computer for a considerable amount of time, I would like to shut it down in a way that...

 
i think it is a dupe
 
hell i didn't even understand the question
 
the shutdown in win 8 works like power off
like the iphone / ipad
 
Bob
@jokerdino well, it does hybrid shutdown by default
 
whatever that is
 
Bob
3:23 AM
what I'm getting from the question is this guy wants to do a full shutdown, then suggested two ways of doing so (and wants help implementing one)
@jokerdino shut down user programs, hibernate the kernel
 
yeah that's what i figured.
 
Bob
I don't know what iOS does :P
analogy problems :P
 
@jokerdino, I'm learning that some of the tools that Ubuntu built on top of the raw Debian tools are pretty useful
I wonder if there's a way to get pbuilder to stop re-downloading all the dependencies each time I build a package tho
 
@Bob if you press the on button, it switches on pretty fast.
 
Bob
o.O
 
3:25 AM
compared to a laptop
 
Bob
... that means nothing
 
to put it simply, you don't actually turn it off when you turn it off
 
Bob
yea, but judging purely by startup speed compared to a laptop is... well, inaccurate to say the least
 
@allquixotic really? like?
 
Bob
it's like comparing starting a calculator to starting a smartphone
 
3:27 AM
@jokerdino define:"switches on" :P
 
i can't think of a better example
@TomWijsman i am sleepy :P
 
It's basically already on but you just don't hear it! :P
 
Bob
well, my (Android) phone switches on faster if it's been properly shut down :P
if I just rip out the battery, it takes a fair bit longer (double?)
dunno if it's doing a FS check or some kind of fast boot
@TomWijsman oh yea, iOS doesn't shut off the power at all normally, does it?
some kind of standby mode
 
@Bob Dunno, it isn't much different from my WP7.
 
@jokerdino pbuilder
 
3:31 AM
pbuilder chroot. <3
 
3:57 AM
anyone else bored
 
nope...
long queue of things to do this weekend
O.O
 
4:18 AM
yay got back my win 7 desktop :)
and gained a lot of experience, finally understand ntfs permissions
 
4:29 AM
@HackToHell fantastic! see? you learn stuff by breaking shit!
also, have you guys seen those two Chilean dog whisperers/trainers who do these incredible stunts LIVE with poodles?
they are A M A Z I N G O_O
most incredible stunts I've ever seen involving animals
they're just so skilled... the animals
 
Thing is I always break stuff and I gain a lot of new info :)
@allquixotic link ?
 
cute lil dossie
 
4:50 AM
@allquixotic That does suck. :/
 
AMD might come out of their financial problems with their deal with the next Xbox and the next PS
 
Hopefully.
 
@sidran32 fortunately, as I understand it, the Open Source Linux graphics driver developers they hired are still on board
they started out with two workers and a manager, and expanded their team by 3, so now they have 6... I was worried they might get canned
but they have survived as of today
 
wow im obsessed with the windows 8 section
 
5:10 AM
I wish their was a flag to see all except win8
It is cluttering up the interesting/normal qquestios.
 
@Hennes, you can set an ignore tag
@Hennes go to the SU homepage and add to Ignored Tags on the right-hand side
 
Thank you. Done!
 
yup
I removed it from favorites but I haven't gotten to the point of ignoring it, yet
 
I should just have tried that, but I never even considered ignore tags
 
5:26 AM
Night all
 
5:39 AM
@JourneymanGeek, bah, you and your fast answering...
 
lol
FGITE :)
 
FGITE?
i didnt even see your answer post and made basically a dupe answer
 
fastest gun in the east
 
bleh
 
@allquixotic: would you believe that was effectively my second revision? ;p
the first went something like "NO DO NOT DO THAT YOU IDIOT NO NO NO GET A NEWER INSTALL IT COSTS YOU NOTHING"
 
5:42 AM
lol
 
your answer is fine though, upvoted ;p
 
he could be using ancient shrinkwrap installer packages that require old glibc or stdc++, or binary packages that depend on old apache or php
upvoted you too lol
need to merge the answers like an archon and combine the detailed instructions on editing sources.list with the 1935 car reference
 
lol
he's new, he probably had the disk lying around.
 
yeah i know, and you wouldn't think much of anything by installing Windows from 2008, since it basically can run the same shit as windows 8, minus modern ui
 
@allquixotic: lol. shorter release cycles
I'd personally prefer to run servers on the LTS if possible
 
5:52 AM
def.
actually RHEL for me
 
I'm more familiar with ubuntu. also RHEL needs EPEL to be usable for me
 
well yeah, but not when the major release first hits
 
is gonna be setting up server stuff on it over the holidays to learn
 
it's semi current when it does
RHEL 7 is gonna be aaaaaaaaaaaaaaawesome
 
@allquixotic: not even talking about the age of packages ;p
 
5:53 AM
stable Xen Dom0 O_O
 
my Centos copy still has gnome 2.
 
stable btrfs O_O
stable gnome3 O_O
 
when is that hitting?
 
O_O
 
@JourneymanGeek "In 2013"
 
5:54 AM
thats a pain, gonna be working through a RHEL study guide, and trying the same stuff in parallel in ubuntu over this december break
 
what's really annoying is that extremely conservative, change-allergic companies that use RHEL for the full 7 years in the first place, are very reluctant to adopt RHEL when it first releases
and yet, in order to get the most value out of it, you're supposed to start (at least in a testing/staging environment) deploying on the new platform ASAP once it goes final
because stable RHEL, even the initial release, is bloody stable... no further testing needed
 
@allquixotic: and then run really old unpatched copies to get owned.
 
the stupid companies don't end up using the "new" RHEL until a year or three after it comes out
@JourneymanGeek that's the worst thing, at least for public internet-facing boxes... the potential for unpatched, unsupported distros that do not get any security patches at all
 
@allquixotic: I know, right?
 
also, without ksplice, you get fairly frequent downtimes to reboot the kernel for security updates
 

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