Caste System

2:18 AM

I would humble welcome all Scholars on Stack Exchange to come here and tell us how Varna system was misused to defame Hinduism

Rickross

6:39 AM

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Hi

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

Hello Rickross Ji
I will present most general doubts that majority of us Hindus have. Kindly help me when free

Thanks a lot for coming here

Rickross

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Ok, if I know about something I will definitely help.

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

Sir We know Our Acharyas like Ramanujacharya strict followers of Varnasrama have showed how brillaint system is. I amnt questioning anyone. But I have certain doubts
1)Few verses say like Sudras can never earn money and they have to only massage feet of Dwijas etc. But they can earn money right?And many of them were Artisans...Serving was really so low job? No right?But why few texts in parts say Prajapati Bramha created Sudra as servant to Dwijas etc..He does service but he is servant of Lord-Not Humans. He serves and nourishes nature right...

2) Can Chandalas eat Vegetarian Food?If yes how would they earn income??Manu Smriti does say place food gently on ground for them to eat and also during Vaisvadeva food is served to chandala right?And its performed daily?What abt Panchamahayajnas?They also say offer food to Chandal on daily basis?Why is Manu 10.54 saying householder to give food to him?On what occasion sir?

Sometimes I feel like I pray like King Rantideva of Bhagavatam "Oh Lord Vishnu please liberate all beings I want to take up sins of all beings- I dont want salvation - I ask Lord to liberate everyone ...But its up to Lord whether he accepts my plea or not....

Rickross

6:55 AM

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru That is part of Bhuta Yajna.. so it has to be done daily.

62.Whether it be a robber, or a Chandala (the lowest of
all the castes), or an enemy, or a parricide, — any one arrived
at the time of the rite for the Visvadevam, is to be welcomed as a guest, who is like a bridge for crossing over to the
seats of bliss.

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

3)Can Chandalas perform Jobs of Sudras?And earn money to buy vegetarian Food??Manu says Pratilomas are nature of Sudras....

Mahabharata said "They sell decorative things and other items which they have learnt to make from generations and make a living.There is a common dharma even for the upliftment of these outcastes. Helping brahmanas & cows, giving up cruel deeds, kindness, truthfulness, tolerance, saving others even at the cost of hurting themselves – all these are ways for the upliftment of outcastes also.

@Rickross Ohh

Please do put small numbers n pls tell all if possible sir

Rickross

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru That is a verse from Parashara Smriti

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru 2) Why can't Chandala eat veg food?

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

Oh ,..and Visvadevam is done daily na?Even Manusha Yajna-Giving Clothes serving sick etc....

How can he earn money to buy vegetables etc on daily basis in market sir?Is he allowed to visit market??

Rickross

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Yes daily rite

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

Oh!

Rickross

7:00 AM

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Why can't they visit markets? Manu says they must live in their society. Their society must have their own markets? Also these things are irrelevant in today's context

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

4)Clothes of dead are given to him...Only one pair of clothes or all rich clothes that a person had including silk etc....

@Rickross But how can they earn money to buy vegetables??

Can they also become small scale farmers ....in Forest land etc

?

Rickross

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Yes that's right 3)

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

What about first point sir? Vidura DharmaVyadha etc all attained Jnana and respect of Bramhins..I have no doubt in this..just asking money etc...

Even Pandavas and Krishna viisted houses of Chandalas and Sudras say Mahabharat and Bhagavatam

Rickross

10.51. But the dwellings of Kandalas and Svapakas shall be outside the village, they must be made Apapatras,
and their wealth (shall be) dogs and donkeys.

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

Yes I read this..Money on Donkeys and Dogs??They will do small bussiness??

Rickross

7:05 AM

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru May be animal husbandry?

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

Oh...but Dogs and Donkeys neither give fibre or milk or eggs..Killing them and eating daily is foolish and also Adharma

Rickross

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Yes they might have. But worse will happen? If they think they have become impure by those visits then can purify themselves by bathing and achaman. So its not a big problem.

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru I don't think they killed those animals.

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

@Rickross No actually I was appreaciating the greatness and compassion of them

Rickross

Donkeys carry loads .. so they can be employed I don't know how they used the dogs?

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

@Rickross Yes same sir but how they lived?How they purchased veg food?And why is manu 10.54 saying householder to give food to him?I read Medatithi bhasya but not much clear on what occasion should householder feed him

Rickross

7:08 AM

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Just visiting their houses does not show much greatness IMO.

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

@Rickross I am really sorry sir you are a Vedantin and I am stuck in this irrational stuff asking u stupid qns

@Rickross But Bhagavata says Krishna hugged them,asked their difficulties,smiled etc etc...so did Pandavas

Rickross

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Probably it was the duty of the householders to feed the others. That's why they say the grihasta Asrama is the best Asrama and it is the root or foundation for other Asramas.

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Then why was Adi Shankara worried about touching the Chandala I don't understand

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

@Rickross Oh ..I hope you dont mistake me for such stupid qns...but may be I should think its duty of society to provide them with all food...?But how could they purchase veggies and make their own food??

@Rickross Lila of Lord Shiva Rickross Ji!!

Rickross

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Yes mentioned that they must acquire their food from others

10.54. Their food shall be given to them by others (than an Aryan giver) in a broken dish; at night they shall not
walk about in villages and in towns.

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

@Rickross Yes so all 3 parts of their day their food will be given to them by others??

Omg!

But they had any other way to earn money n buy veggies??PV Kane wrote "Elaborate rules are there to eat "Cooked Food" of Chandalas"

Rickross

7:14 AM

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Yes in ancient times this was probably followed. Not now a days

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

@Rickross I cant believe this!

Rickross

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Some households may give them just uncooked food items which Chandalas cook by themselves?

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

India was the only country in world which kept on feeding the DOg Eaters the Poor Sick and Outcaste daily and also Manushya Yajna daily but India is blamed for Caste system

@Rickross Oh

Since Mahabharata said that They can selll decorative things etc and earn money...may be from that they would earn money n buy veggies??Or as you said??

Rickross

10.55. By day they may go about for the purpose of their work, distinguished by marks at the king’s command,
and they shall carry out the corpses (of persons) who have no relatives; that is a settled rule.

10.56. By the king’s order they shall always execute the criminals, in accordance with the law, and they shall
take for themselves the clothes, the beds, and the ornaments of (such) criminals.

They must be getting payments from the King from which they can buy things they want.

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

Ohh....

Rickross

7:21 AM

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Right now logging off .. will again catch you later

Sethu Srivatsa Koduru

Ok sir thanks a lot for coming!

Rickross

@SethuSrivatsaKoduru Ok

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