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@TRiG Yeah, the Natural Law
 
 
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3:17 AM
@PeterTurner Well, if you're going to just make stuff up ....
And, @Peter, while you're here.
The Church is proud that it no longer tortures people for blasphemy or imprisons then for heresy? The response from rationalists was, “Yeah, but only because the law won’t permit you.”
 
4:02 AM
@TRiG I think the Church is glad to be free of that responsibility.
 
Hey
 
Do you seriously think the Natural Law is just made up? I mean, I may make up stuff and call it the Natural Law, but that's just lame lay-philosophizing. It's obviously made up
@Chacha102 hey, what do you think about the Natural Law?
Made up or ingrained in your heart?
 
Well, determines what you mean by Natural Law.
 
I mean St. Thomas Aquinas, Aristotle etc.. The idea that a thing IS something and is USED for something and has a purpose.
Not just gravity, thermodynamics and all that. But morality as well.
 
I agree with the idea that things have an intended purpose.
 
4:09 AM
How about murder and marriage. Is the purpose of murder to kill a person? Is the purpose of marriage to have a loving relationship the produces babies? Or are these things merely civil constructs?
 
Yes, both of those things have their defined purpose. Whether or not they were ever suppose to actually be present is a whole other debate
hm.. tough one..
Are you always this philosophical?
 
@Chacha102 I think that things can still be mutable and still come in to being post-creation and be understood under the the Natural Law.
@Chacha102 No, I'm never philosophical, philosophers don't like the Natural Law, so you can't call it philosophy any more. Apparently it's just religion now. Some sort of subset of Catholicism.
 
The same subset with the big gold fat dude? :P
 
@Chacha102 Heh, no. But the truth of the big gold fat dude is duly noted, although not in it's fullness.
In any event, thanks for your help. I think that point about "things that are supposed to be present is a good one"
 
 
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4:56 PM
@waxeagle That's funny, but I wasn't aware the Church opposed role playing, just imaginary quests involving things it would oppose if they happened in real life. I remember some dude last year was "outed" as a scandalous game master who wrote for The Vortex and there was some lame controversy.
 
@PeterTurner Not sure that they do honestly, I know a lot of conservative groups view the hobby poorly thanks to a couple of rather inflammatory and factually in correct pieces of writing from the 80s. Most D&D campaigns aren't much worse than your average LotR/Narnia book
 
 
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Q: Source of Christian attitudes towards fantasy and role playing games

Sean McMillanI've heard many stories of people who abandoned their role-playing hobby, or burned their fantasy book collections, on the grounds that these were opposed to their Christian faith. What is it that causes some Christians to be concerned about fantasy and role-playing? What are the sources** for t...

 
@TRiG I need to actually do some research and give a better answer...none of them address that this is primarily a cultural concern not a religious one. And mostly one born out of fear mongering of ignorants /rant
 
@waxeagle Intersectionality.
By which I mean that culture and religion cannot be neatly divided.
And I had an answer which was a case in point, but it seems to have gone missing.
Ah, found it.
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A: Hand Picked Bible Applications

TRiGOne thing to remember is that a large part of any religion is cultural. And some of that is a response to outside culture. For example, no one reasonably could read the Bible and say that "God hates gay people" is the fundamental message of the text. Plenty of people have found that message in th...

 
6:44 PM
Incidentaly,
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Q: Should we allow humour oriented questions?

WikisShould we allow humourous questions on this site, like, "What is the most cringey Christian t-shirt you've ever seen?" or "Worst sermon illustration ever?" Note to new people to meta: vote this question up if you agree, down if you don't. And if you have a great reason for doing either you'd lik...

Could be a fun thing to do here. I don't think I've ever seen a bad Christian T-shirt (or any Christian T-shirt), but I'm sure some of ye Americans have.
 
@TRiG yes, bad Christian tees could fill a whole day's worth of chat topics :|
 
@waxeagle Looks like an ad for a chocolate bar.
 
@TRiG yes
wow a whole collection of cheesy pop culture christian tees
 
"Do not be getting drunk with wine, in which there is debauchery, but keep getting filled with spirit."
???
That just does not make any kind of sense.
 
@TRiG actually yes, the verse refers to thirsting -> hunting
 
6:54 PM
In other news, today marks 45 years since the summer of Loving.
@waxeagle Tenuous.
 
@TRiG one of the people I went to school with mentioned that on fb
@TRiG extremely
 
And I hope no one wears this to a beech. It could actually be dangerous. You don't want mistaken identity when you're panicked and lives are at stake.
 
there is a huge commercial market in the states for Christian products. It's really ludicrous IMO
@TRiG yes
 
Sep 14 '11 at 23:02, by TRiG
There's an article in The Slactkiverse about how working in a Christian Book Store destroyed someone's faith.
 
@TRiG I can totally see it.
 
6:59 PM
There's something about kitch as a cultural identifier, though. (I'm currently wearing a silicon rainbow wristband. I always wear it.)
Sep 14 '11 at 23:04, by TRiG
Part 1: http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2011/07/faith-and-hope-20-off.html
Part 2: http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2011/08/stakes-perky-hairdos-and-other-things-that-matter.html
Good read, actually.
 
@TRiG yeah, and I see no problem with participating in commerce surrounding it, I just think we've managed to (at times, and in places) actually get things backwards, and the commercialness of it facilitates that
 
7:38 PM
@TRiG The only consumeristic crisis of faith I ever had was when I realized the Left Behind books were primarily money machines. Fortunately, it was then I realized I'm Catholic and not supposed to believe that anyway. Still, it's not like there's any shortage of Catholic paraphernalia to be had at the shrines of the world.
In any event, I'd buy a Christianity.SE shirt.
 
@PeterTurner you'll likely be given one if we ever gradumatate
 
That would be sweet. I got a stackexchange shirt for running for president of programmers.SE. Might even update my gravatar.
 
@PeterTurner usually mod candidates get SE swag and top users get site swag whenever it gets printed
 
7:57 PM
@PeterTurner Fred Clark's analysis of those books is, as far as I know, absolutely unparalleled.
 
8:07 PM
this is pretty accurate but the board games, the kids books, the plush beanies are what I'm talking about... I don't mind the literature, you could tell from reading the books that they really wanted to finish the story but couldn't do it in less than 12 books.
@TRiG By, I don't mind the literature, I mean I was fully aware it was crappy. It was like a crappy blank canvas on which an outline of how to be a Christian in an incredibly hostile world was painted. If it were up to me, I'd have used a better canvas.
 
8:26 PM
@PeterTurner How to be a Christian: Left Behind edition:
1. Take a high-paying job from the antichrist.
2. Keep to yourself the knowledge of where bombs are going to fall, even though you're a well-respected journalist.
3. Be incredibly rude to everyone, including your boss.
4. Be as self-centred as a spinning top.
5. Generally, be an arrogant self-serving fool with no empathy of any kind whatsoever.
Oh, I forgot ...
6. Have an unhealthy obsession, bordering on the erotic, with telephones.
 
8:55 PM
(Well, sort of. On reading the correspondance it looks like no change was actually made.)
@Richard Jehovah's Witness bookstores don't exist (or didn't when I was one).
 
9:45 PM
@TRiG And the stockpile will continue to deplete at the same rate as our nuclear weapons.
 
 
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