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12:57 AM
@Sklivvz trying really hard not to :)
 
 
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2:03 AM
Wow, just happened upon the "zie" controversy. Bizarre.
 
@AdamRobinson meh, got more heated then it needed to be IMO.
 
Ya think? ;)
Seems like the OP's militant stance on it was a big factor in that, though.
 
@AdamRobinson strange what people will get worked up over...
 
@waxeagle Indeed
 
OP didn't help, but we could have handled it better as a general community, we are supposed to be christianis here...
 
2:08 AM
That's something that's all too easy to forget when someone is wrong on the internet
 
@AdamRobinson amen to that
 
 
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3:42 AM
@AdamRobinson Such an appropriate comic for this site... :P
 
 
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12:22 PM
Wow. Seems like someone is shooting to get that Vox Populi badge. I just got a surprising string of upvotes.
 
@Richard lol fun
 
Huh. Their a bit sluggish here. Of course that's probably related to my firing off quips as answers from a phone instead of doing full write ups.
 
1:16 PM
@Caleb great question about conscience
 
1:29 PM
@waxeagle Thanks. That came out of a statement I made here that I realized was going to need something more than the scope of that question to defend.
 
@Caleb good point.
 
2:04 PM
OK. I couldn't help but to chime in with an answer on the rape question.
My answers always seem long...
 
@Richard true, but that is a solid one. Although quite frankly that question as phrased might be properly migrated
 
@waxeagle Yeah, I can definitely see this as a good question for migration.
 
2:21 PM
@richard where is the TL;DR section!
 
@DTest Hehe. ;) I call it "Summary".
I always try to add one to my long posts.
(I'd never even heard of "TL;DR" until this site.)
 
/me scrolls down...oh there it is :D
 
@DTest LOL
 
is glad he isn't on his netbook
 
@waxeagle heh
try reading it on a phone
 
2:24 PM
@DTest hopefully soon, mine is about to croak and trying to convice the missus I need a droid
 
i'd recommend using some of those points in framing your argument..."but WE need one...i just get to use it the most"
 
@DTest lolz, I don't think I have to convince her of the utility anymore, its more justifying the additional monthly expense
 
speaking of that, i still need to revise the answer to be worthy of a bounty
@waxeagle i know how that goes :/ ...only reason I have an iphone is my company provides it
 
@DTest yeah...my company provides iPhones to some people...just not me :(
 
@waxeagle i had to sacrifice some things to make myself 'need' one...eg, if i get a server alert at 3am, I have to investigate
 
2:30 PM
@DTest makes sense, our boss has one for pretty much exactly that reason
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Q: How long is a Bible New or Revised?

Peter TurnerUntil this year have used the New American Bible (NAB) for my Religious Ed. class. Now, we've got a New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE). How long is a bible New and how long is a bible Revised and can this continue for ever? Will bible translators ever just break down and use the Googl...

opinions?
 
@waxeagle I'm not a fan of this question, but it does seem on topic. I think some editing love could fix this and make it better.
 
i opine that it neeads the tag
 
@Richard maybe a rationalization for how Bible versions are named?
 
specifically for the bit about google chrome versioning
 
@waxeagle Yeah, that would be nice. I would be strongly interested in that question.
 
2:45 PM
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Q: Should answers from the Qur'an be allowed?

RichardClearly and unmistakably, this site is about and for Christianity. However, recently, I saw an answer that was quoting (and solely related to) the Qur'an. Per this meta post, we seem to have a consensus that "self-declaration" is the definition of "Christian". However, what about religions a...

 
@StackExchange Wow, that's an excellent question.
 
@Richard lol and humble too
 
@waxeagle LOL.
 
3:36 PM
@Richard I'm still torn on upvoting the 10 commandments Q form compman....I finally did, but I really chafe about him getting rep for reposting the exact question from the definition with no further content.
 
@waxeagle That's very understandable. I edited the question to include more content as it seems pretty clear that the question isn't going to be closed and in its previous form was a really poor quality question.
I'm just going through all the old stuff at this point.
The question itself isn't bad. But clearly the lack of effort on the part of the asker should not have garnished a +17 with a simple copy/paste.
That worked in early beta, but as we mature, that's not going to fly anymore.
 
@Richard agreed. Its significantly better now, my issue is with the OP...but oh well.
 
@waxeagle I agree with you. He's not on my top 10 favorite people either.
Speaking of which, does anyone else miss rpeg? He definitely kept things lively. :P
 
@Richard lol, no I don't miss trolls :). He did actually ask a couple of worthwhile questions though.
 
@waxeagle Yeah. One thing I find so interesting on this site is that people who post horrible quality answers can actually post fascinating questions. This can lead to trolls with 300+ rep, oddly.
 
3:45 PM
@Richard yeah, I have noticed some way over repped trolls. Some of those instances the low quality answer filter may just have to kick in.
 
4:13 PM
@Richard Do you think I should replace all uses of atheist with unbeliever?
I guess non-Christian is more specific.
Done.
 
Cool.
 
@CiscoIPPhone worth noting (though this isn't enough for an answer) that some folks have expanded the "yoke" verse to include entering a business partnership as well.
 
@waxeagle That is interesting. I can see how that would apply. Plus, if you're going into business with someone, I think it could strongly apply.
 
@Richard that the idea, I'm not sure I worded it well, its mostly coownership
 
@waxeagle I could even see it applying to any venture where you're kind of "stuck" with a given person providing that the religious and moral beliefs could play an impact on a decision. (Traveling into space might not matter, but traveling to Mars might.)
 
4:24 PM
@Richard exactly
 
4:57 PM
Ok, I'm done arguing about the capital issue....
 
@waxeagle Let it go. You made the point quite well in your first comment, I think anybody reading would either get the picture or not at that point.
The whole thing is a moot point, it's not going to change anything, and if they are offended at that they are going to have much bigger troubles around here.
 
@Caleb lol seriously
 
@waxeagle You could hack up your own CSS for tags that uses smallcaps...
@waxeagle: Maybe 'JESUS' seems more appropriate than 'jesus'? :)
 
@Flimzy It should definitely be italicized as in JESUS.
 
Actually, if that made a difference, we could suggest that for the Cx.SE theme when we go live
 
5:04 PM
@Caleb and bolded, and underlined..
:)
 
and superscripted!
 
And whatever you do don't correct yourself. Jesus Bob thinks Android is the best.
 
Isn't there a group that think his name is too holy to print? J*s*s may be the best.
 
Maybe we should just use a symbol for the tag.
 
@a_hardin I'm trying really hard not to make a joke about "the artist formally known as Prince". That would be out of place and probably distasteful.
 
5:10 PM
@a_hardin That would offend the no-icons folks.
 
(So I'll allude to it. :P)
 
@Richard Me, too.
 
@Caleb Maybe we should change it from Christianity.SE to SaturdayMorningCartoons.SE... oh wait... we'd be offending the no-SMC folks... :(
 
I'll cross that line
 
5:13 PM
/crickets
 
@Flimzy LOL. ;)
 
I'm tempted to ask a question about a Christian's proper response specifically to interracial marriages banned by the gov't... as a followup to @Richard's answer... I was hoping TRiG would edit his question to get it reopened, but it seems clear he won't... And I'd like to hear more views on that.
Should I wait a few days before I do that? or what?
 
is there a difference between bible-interpretation and exegesis?
 
@a_hardin: I think the main difference is that more people know what "bible interpreation" is :)
 
and blink!
 
5:15 PM
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Q: Interpretation, Hermeneutics, and Exegesis Tag

RichardHermeneutics the science of interpretation, especially of the Scriptures. Exegesis critical explanation or interpretation of a text or portion of a text, especially of the Bible. It seems that the hermeneutics and exegesis should alias interpretation, or vise versa. I just see these ...

I think they should be synonyms.
@Flimzy I say go for it. I wouldn't rely on TRiG..
 
@Richard: Should I wait a while to let things cool down further?
 
There are actually 2 tags that appear to mean exactly the same thing
 
I would say should stay...
And use + for the other
based on a meta answer... let me find it
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A: "bible" tag too general?

Shog9 The tag "bible" seems overly general to me (much the same way the tag "john" is too general) Wait a minute... john isn't too general - it's ambiguous! There are multiple Johns. If you were arguing that we need multiple bible tags because there are multiple bibles, this would be a good compar...

 
@Flimzy Oh, I think TRiG was getting mad about the wording thing. That's what the meta posts, comments, etc. seemed to indicate, at least. I haven't seen anything about it today, so I think it's probably safe. Granted, I'm not the expert on peoples SE behavior. ;)
 
yes zie/zer was
 
5:22 PM
@Flimzy That is a great post!
 
@Flimzy Yes I would wait a while.
@Flimzy Actually it has already been asked.
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Q: What does the bible say about interracial marriages?

PurmouThis has been a popular topic of debate, at least where I live. As Armenians, we like to...discourage marriages with spouses of a different ethnicity or nationality, simply in order to carry the culture and Armenian name for as many generations as possible. Were there any mentions of interracial...

 
@Caleb I could see room for a historical question on the subject. I'd be really interested in the answer.
 
@Richard Me too, but that could be harder to scope than my arranged marriages question.
 
@Caleb: that's a bit of a different question.
@Caleb: My question is "What does the Bible say about illegal interracial marriages?"
 
I think a good question would be "How did the church respond to the illegality of interracial marriages between 1870 and 19xx?" I'm curious about that.
 
5:39 PM
@Richard: According to that page I quoted in my comment... "they were never married, in the eyes of the law, any Christian church, or by anyone in [southern] white society"
Although I don't know the source for their information.
And even if no church recognized these marriages, I suspect many Christians did
 
@Flimzy From your link "...there were many biracial churches, particularly evangelical ones, that persisted in disciplining slaves as well as whites for the sin of adultery."
That's a fascinating thread.
 
6:11 PM
that seems to contradict the idea that no churches recognized slave marriages then
 
It goes on to say that adultery only makes sense within the context of marriage, so clearly these churches supported the marriages of the slaves.
There's a lot of interesting things in there. It actually answered my "history" question.
 
ooo...665 questions right now... :P
 
make it 666!
 
Wow. Red-letter is 666.. that's not good.
 
6:26 PM
it had to happen sometime
 
@DTest yup, and only 111 more until we hit 777 :)
 
@waxeagle that's some amazing maths
 
@DTest Yeah, but I was working on one dealing with atheism. ;)
 
@DTest yeah, I went to school for that :)
 
6:27 PM
@DTest LOL
 
@richard that would have been much more appropriate. tell dancek to delete
 
I think I got question #666
although, probably not
because I bet closed and deleted questions don't count in the count
 
@Flimzy You actually have #667. :P
 
"count in the count" hrm... can I get a redundant badge for redundancy?
 
@Flimzy I think closed do, but I don't think deleted do
 
6:29 PM
oh well
my question isn't as appropriate as #667 :(
 
@flimzy lol
 
@Flimzy lol
 
@Flimzy Lol.
 
I could go delete one of my old questions to bump the number back down
 
@Flimzy I was actually thinking about something like that... :P
 
6:35 PM
off-topic... I just did some quick calculatin' and found that we have 1 meta question for every 4.5 questions on this site. That seems like a lot to me.
 
@Richard that is a lot
 
Richard: how many are there on other sites?
 
@Flimzy I was just checking... Database Administrators has 1700 questions and a bit over 100 meta questions.
 
photography only has just under 1 meta per main question
and they have a weekly photo contest on meta
 
Gardening has 12 main q/meta q
 
6:37 PM
SO has 2 million questions and 27k meta. (May be a bit different though being a trilogy site.)
 
@Flimzy Math has ~23.8 Main/Meta; 21,077 main to 885 meta.
 
So what does a higher meta/main ratio say about us?
 
Judaism: 2800 Q, 141 Meta
 
That we're a brand new site? Or that we're more active? More argumentative?
 
@Flimzy I'm guessing it says we have a lot of controversy.
 
6:38 PM
I think that there are fewer possible/good meta questions than main questions, so I would think that the ratio starts out high and decreases over time.
 
@Flimzy I think it probably just means its taking us more time to iron out how our site works :)
 
@flimzy we're more controversial and argue about pronouns
/flee
 
@DTest LOL
@waxeagle I think you're probably right.
 
@DTest: pronouns are not controversial! And if you think they are, there is something wrong with you.
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RPG has 255 meta/1981 main.
 
6:39 PM
lol
@waxeagle did you switch the order of meta and main on purpose?
 
I think Cx.SE covers a lot more ground than most of the other sites... so it's natural that we have a lot more issues to work through.
 
just to confuse me
 
@DTest no, I was looking at meta first...
 
English.SE has 9,856 main per 619 meta; ~15.9:1 ratio.
 
brb
 
6:41 PM
Prog.SE has 14k main/655 meta
 
@waxeagle ~21.4:1
 
are there any other sites that are 20 days old?
 
@ElendiaStarman I think for now we are better off comparing ourselves to sites with similar question volume and length of existence. Meta questions should taper off...
@a_hardin I think we were the only ones to launch that week. Bitcoin launced a week later, and DSP launced right before
as well as Lit
but none of them even get close to us on question volume or rate.
 
French: 261/60, 4.35:1
 
6:45 PM
DSP: 68/35, ~1.94:1
For consistency:
Christianity: 668/147, ~4.54:1
So we actually have a pretty similar ratio to French, but about 2.56 times as many questions.
 
@ElendiaStarman and about 3x the visits/day
 
@Richard were you just moderated? :P
 
@waxeagle Yeah.
 
@a_hardin LOL. No. I saw something flash on my screen, but I think I saw my own flags.
Got confused...
 
Literature: 205/62, ~3.3:1
 
6:51 PM
@ElendiaStarman Wow, that's a lot higher than I would've expected.
 
Cryptography: 173/26, ~6.65:1
Lol, Cryptography actually has a really high ratio, but very few questions.
 
Hrm... what can that mean?
It seems somewhat cryptic
IMO, cryptography seems too specialized to make a good QnA site... but then what do I know?
 
Personal Productivity: 227/41, ~5.54:1
@Flimzy It is a good expert site.
 
@ElendiaStarman That... doesn't seem very productive.
 
@ElendiaStarman: But the field seems so narrow... I wonder if the experts have enough questions to keep it going...
 
6:55 PM
Is it just me or does it seem ironic to have an SE site regarding personal productivity?
 
@Richard: Everyone on that site must have taken the site to heart, and become more productive than those of us here... so they're off being productive instead of arguing about zir pronouns.
 
Travel: 576/74, ~7.1:1
 
@Richard lol
 
@Flimzy Yeah...
@Richard Lol.
 
(I would have used the z form of 'they're' if I had known what it was)
I suppose that's plural anyway, so 'they' is fine
oh well!
 
6:57 PM
So...I was going through sites in order of newness.
Now for sites with approximately the same number of questions... :P
 
Sharepoint.se is an older site with a large volume of questions 6732/106 meta
 
It would be interesting to graph these things over time
but not interesting enough that I'm going to do it :P
 
@Flimzy SE might have that info somewhere, not sure if it would be public
 
I'm sure they have access to that data anyway... whether it's compiled or not as such
 
@Flimzy That's probably true.
 
6:59 PM
@Flimzy actually, per site mods sort of have data on it for their site...
 
Writing: 789/99, ~7.97:1
Audio-Video: 730/59, ~12.37:1
Christianity: 668/147, ~4.54:1
Motor Vehicles: 652/40, 16.3:1
Project Management: 619/78, ~7.94:1
So yes, we have an anomalously-low ratio of main/meta... :P
 
@ElendiaStarman right, but we are newer with that much volume :)
 
I suspect that as the site matures, the ratio will line itself with other sites.
 
@waxeagle WAY newer. Like, 300-270-22-180-210 days. :P
@Richard Yeah, that's what I'm expecting too.
 
Audio-Video... that's about the USD/MXN exchange rate, too!
 
7:04 PM
@Flimzy LOL! :P
 
Oooh.. triangle love.
I guess that would be a diamond, wouldn't it?
 
?
 
@ElendiaStarman Yeah. That's what I was thinking.
 
hey look :) I've got one too :)
 
7:13 PM
@Richard Probably because of the subject matter of this site... :P
 
@ElendiaStarman Probably because of our 4.5 to 1 ratio...
 
yeah for 5 pro-tems :)
 
@Richard LOL! :P
 
How did these people get chosen? they aren't all nominated on the Meta discussion about pro-tems
 
No idea... It was the employees that made the decisions. But that's all I know.
 
7:16 PM
@Flimzy no, pro-tems are chosen by SE staff. The nominations are considered, but ultimately the staff make the decision
 
ah
Well then, I'm glad they didn't choose me....
Because then I'd never get any work done!
 
@Flimzy lol yeah
 
Man, I wish people would stop down-voting my closed questions
I leave them open for historical reasons
but I don't like continuing to lose rep over them
 
@Flimzy you can delete them if they don't have answers.
 
I know I can delete them
 
7:19 PM
@waxeagle Can you not delete them if they do have answers?
 
but like I said, I like to leave them for historical reasons
they were asked early in the private beta
and I think they're useful as examples of questions not to ask here
in fact, I used one as an example of that on meta just this morning
I'd rather make them 'community wiki' so they stay around, but they stop hurting my rep :P
 
@Richard if they have an upvoted answer then only a mod can.
@Flimzy lol not a good reason for that :)
 
@waxeagle Aah, good to know. Thanks!
 
7:31 PM
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Q: Moderator Pro Tem Announcement

Grace NoteThroughout the beta, we need members from the site whose focus is to engage the community, both in community-building issues and site management. That's why we select a few members from each community to act as temporary, provisional Moderators. You can read about the program here: Moderators Pro...

 
grats to the mods!
 
@DTest thank you.
 
@DTest Thanks. =)
 
@DTest Thanks! :)
@waxeagle, @Richard, the mod agreement still needs to be accepted on meta.
 
@ElendiaStarman ah thanks will do
 
7:35 PM
@ElendiaStarman Ooh, thanks for pointing that out.
@ElendiaStarman That's what I was missing to get into the teacher's lounge.
 
@Richard No, actually, it wasn't.
 
IF I down-vote the announcement, does that mean I think we shouldn't have Pro Tem mods?
 
@flimzy doubt it :P
 
I think I'll go start a proposal for anarchy.SE... where there are no rules... nothing is off topic...
and no moderators
 
@Flimzy Yahoo answers?
 
7:38 PM
@Flimzy that will go over very well :)
 
@flimzy i'll follow it
won't promise to commit
 
hehe
what might be even better is a site devoted to things that are off topic everywhere else... like ProductRecommendations.SE
and ListsGalore.SE
 
heh. :)
trolling.se
 
I like the tag on the announcement... it's good to know that even SE believes everything, including moderators, are good in moderation :)
 
@Flimzy lolz
 
7:44 PM
@Flimzy True. Even their "Theory of Moderation" says that moderators should do "as little as possible". wow. ok.
 
@Richard: Wow... then I could be a moderator!
"You don't need a million dollars to do that! My cousin's broke and don't do s***"
 
8:03 PM
Wow, we jumped from question 665 to 668 in a hurry...
 
@Richard yup
 
@Richard Three people trying to get #666. :P
 
@ElendiaStarman LOL. Yeah
 
I'm very happy with the Pro Tem announcements. The two people I really wanted to see as mods were chosen, and the other three have been great community members, too!
 
@dancek glad you're happy. I'm really happy there are 5 of us.
 
8:08 PM
@ElendiaStarman I didn't try, but I might have got #666 by accident with the red-letter Bible question. I don't know how to check :)
 
@dancek There's photo evidence earlier in the chat.
 
@waxeagle I'm also glad there are five.
 
@waxeagle, @Richard, same here... :P
 
@dancek you did
 
@dancek Yeah, it was.
 
8:13 PM
@Richard there ought to be a gold badge for that :)
 
platinum badges for once-per site thing
 
@dancek Hehe. :) Yeah, I think we've all agreed on the contrdiction->textual-discrepencies synonym.
 
Ironic that the way our site is going, no one is bound to get the Revival badge!
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@Richard I didn't think that would get approved in a long time, but one of our new mods must have approved it with some awesome powers.
 
@dancek LOL, yep! :P
 
8:26 PM
@dancek Yeah, that is tricky. You have to have a question that is obscure enough that no one answers it.
 
8:52 PM
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Q: Catholicism closed, anybody mind if I just ask those questions here?

Peter TurnerLooks like my favorite church isn't getting a stack exchange site. There were lots of good questions on that proposal there, anyone want to help me ask them here?

 
9:38 PM
@dancek That is fairly amusing.
 
hi all
 
@RolandTaylor Hey, there
OK, we have five moderators now (pro tempore) and no outstanding flags...
 
10:01 PM
b.o.r.e.i.n.g
 
10:27 PM
@richard there ya go
 
@DTest Be careful with spam/offensive flags; they can get someone banned. Also they alert every moderator on the network, which is a lot :)
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@michael
duly noted
(stupid enter button)
 
If you mouseover a message and click the little arrow on the left you can edit it (if you're unaware)
 
10:42 PM
Hey can somebody other than me re-post this. I want to accept it as the right answer and have it float to to the top so it both closes off the thread and redirects people, but since I opened the thread my answer doesn't do that.
 
done
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A: Pro Tem Moderator nominations

FlimzyPro Tem moderators have been announced. Thanks for the suggestions folks, and see you all when we hold live elections!

 
11:16 PM
@Caleb: Should we create a new answer to the tag synonym suggestions showing all those that have been completed?
 
@Flimzy I don't know. I wasn't a fan of having a multi-answer thread in the first place and I don't know what to do with it now. Do we keep adding new ones? The sort-by-vote is really hard after the first ten or so are up there. Maybe start a new thread? Maybe one thread per suggestions?
Actually her is another idea....
 
@Caleb: There was a precident for that for tag synonyms
let me see if I can find it
 
@Flimzy First, if you have the rep in the tags, just use the normal synonym functions where a couple votes puts them through.
 
Math.SE does that...
 
If you don't have the rep, mention anything that comes up and seems reasonable in chat and we might be able to just do it without talking about it.
 
11:20 PM
Not everyone who uses Meta uses chat, though.
 
Only if they they need discussion should they be on meta, and then a thread per issue makes sense.
 
The advantage to a single question is that it's easy to detect duplicates
 
@Flimzy Those that do can post on meta no problem. But the tag synonym function has a mechanism for suggestions and voting on them anyway. Why not use that?
 
I suppose the reason is because few people have that much rep yet (myself included)
 
They main problem seemed to be that early in beta nobody had the rep to make suggestions and there were no mods to fast track it. Both of those are non issues now.
 
11:21 PM
I tried to create a few synonym suggestions 2 days ago, and didn't have enough rep (for those tags)
 
@Flimzy Answer more questions :)
Remember what they were?
 
communion/eucharist was one
I think creation/creationism was another I tried... I figured I should have enough rep on that one, but no :)
 
@Flimzy communion is taken care of.
@Flimzy Creation/creationism we discussed in the mod chat room, there doesn't seem to be consensus. (I'm a dissenting voice for one) That might need a post of it's own to discuss and collect suggestions.
 
What are the arguments against the synonym?
 
That they really aren't the same thing and there is potential for non-overlapping questions.
 
11:35 PM
Hrm, it's already a synonym
so I can't check to see if there are current overlapping suggestions
Well, if we don't want all the syn suggestions on the same answer, then you might want to lock that question on meta. But maybe you mods need to discuss it further first ??
I just know I'm going to get back to work now :)
 

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