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Q: How to refuse to work when on vacation while keeping relationships as best as possible?

GulzarI work for a company as an algorithm developer, recently promoted from software engineer. I am very valued both by management and by peers, as is evident from management by constant positive feedback, bonus, promotion, raise, and from peers by multiple people coming to me with questions, or even ...

Why not do the simplest solution and ignore the work calls/messages until you are back in office?
@TymoteuszPaul because that is passive-aggressive. 1. everyone is on their phone every once in a while. not replying is a non communicative way of saying "f*** you" 2. because the calls will continue, and I will keep being stressed, thus my vacation will not be a vacation.
Re: ignoring work phone calls, Is that a cultural thing in Israel or just your company? As in the countries I worked in I never heard someone suggesting that ignoring work calls while on holidays would be passive aggressive, so I wondering how wide-spread is that expectation (and it matters to the question). As for how to technically do it pretty much all smartphones have a "block number" button - set that up and you won't know that they are calling/texting - stress gone.
So these "people with generally good intentions" are happy to work when they are on holiday?
@TymoteuszPaul Ok let me expand on that. I can just not pick up the calls and not return them, fine. What about whatsapp messages? They just stay there, and keep staring at you. Moreover, these are people that feel quite close to me, and bluntly ignoring them may appear too aggressive. I know I would want to recieve a softer behavior.
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Add point 5: cancel your holiday and go back to work.
@Gulzar you can block them too: home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/internet/social-media/…. But you didn't answer how widespread is that behavious in Israel, is this more or less norm in tech companies?
@TymoteuszPaul I didn't work for enough companies to know for sure. Word is this is very widespread, maybe 50%. Everyone hates it. Everyone talks about how bad this is, and then go on and do it anyway to other people. This used to be even more widespread, and is decreasing as time goes, but still you hear stuff like this every day, especially at my company.
@TymoteuszPaul I can't block people who I will be working with in a week! if my wife annoys me today I will not block her number until I am ready to talk! There is a better way which is less aggressive!
Lying "I am at XXXX and not near a computer" - Why not leave the computer, actually, for once?
Define "algo developer". Because the ones I do know get paid so well that "not on my phone at 2 in the morning" is "ok, you really do not want to buy that new ferrari from the bonus we cancel"? The pay and pay structure as well as the industry pay a really big role here.
@TomTom I don't think the title should matter. Could be "coffee maker", vacation is vacation
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Can you not look at your phone for a (big) while and then answer? It may help if those people realize you are not there immediately to figure out things on their own or to bother you less.
@BernhardDöbler I can leave my work computer. Not my (only, non work) phone. Also, i like programming for fun. Just not work-related things.
What does your work contract say about your availability outside of work time? What does your HR policy say about being contactable outside of work time? We need to know the answers to these questions before we can answer.
what is wrong with 3?
@IanKemp, add: What does the law say?
 
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Just here to say that it's quite funny when a question titled

> "How to refuse to work when on vacation while keeping relationships as best as possible?"

has a _duplicate_ suggested,

> "How can I prepare for getting hit by a bus?"

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