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12:21 AM
Teach me a lesson by not lying on me and it's all good. Delete the question, tell me what I did wrong, and I will learn. To say I was guilty of something I wasn't and then just ban me for 7 days with no feedback per the mod-only response, that's disrespect. I don't follow you on the "hate" words and all but whatever!! The judge already judged and I was found not guilty of plagiarism.
Period the end.... I felt you lied on me like a liar and never gave feedback when I asked me it!!
I'm human so hate away if that's what you wish!! Peace!!
 
12:50 AM
I apologize to everyone including @JourneymanGeek . . . I let emotion get at me... Feel free to delete my garbage from here... I'll take some time to reflect for a bit. I apologize if I offended anyone and for some reason felt I must defend myself... I was wrong!!
 
@TroubleMakerChatBroom Actually, I'm torn between restoring the suspension, and just going the heck with it
Lets split the difference.
 
@JourneymanGeek "It's about taking time to reflect". . . Go for it!! I'll do the time...
 
So, the really mean, vindictive thing for me to have done is gone through every single past question and deleted anything that... well was not hugely original
that... is kinda pointless
 
Pull the trigger and I'll ride it out...
 
I didn't feel that the CM's actions were ... helpful but we've had a talk
So, rather than throwing accusations around, how about lets talk about how we can make things better
 
12:53 AM
We've not had any talks really
agree
I'm listening
 
So, for me "plagurism" is well, copying chunks of a post
 
I get that now
 
Its necessary to attribute but not good enough
On the other hand, I don't really have the time or energy to go around and finding every case of it.
the 7 day suspension's the standard for it
 
For exactly what I did?
 
I mean, with a brand new user - sure, we'd go "hey, you could fix it like that"
 
12:54 AM
That was a classic case?
 
Yup!
Quite literally nothing personal
 
I've done it with MS posts though in the past
 
I do not have the time to be personal.
 
KB article references
 
So... now, lets talk about positive stuff!
There's nothing wrong from building off of other sources
 
12:55 AM
Yes, that probably was my worst ever
I still follow
 
the trick is to paraphrase (which I encourage) and synthesise the stuff you know from many places into something ... more useful than the sum of the whole
 
I feel I do that at times with some answers already
 
That's what turns you from someone who's being the FGITW and just chasing rep, into someone who might be saving someone's hide from what looks like an insurmountable problem
 
Well, if I see those, nothing personal, but I upvote ;)
 
1:53 AM
For a little context on my side with regard to what I read that I think made me upset was this... I took it literally as per that language.
I will get this fixed—sorry again for going overboard thinking things were personal.
 
roar
 
2:15 AM
that's literally what everyone gets
and well - that's manyof the points I just covered
 
I honestly don't seriously think seven days is reasonable for a first suspension for plagiarism.
Maybe 48-72 hours, after one official mod warning.
 
2:27 AM
@bwDraco its the standard period
 
Perhaps SE might want to reevaluate their suspension guidelines?
A week is really heavy-handed.
72 hours, I wouldn't object to.
 
Well, in theory, I'd rather not have to suspend people at all ;)
 
2:44 AM
I am sorry, plagiarism is one of the worst things you can do, it would get you an F in school and fired from your job given the right situation.
Plagiarism is cheating, at least it was when I was in college, and it’s hard to plagiarize. You have to go a great deal of effort to do so. So there isn’t an excuse.
 
@Ramhound: On the Internet, where you're not composing multi-page research papers, it's a lot easier to do this by mistake. We should not assume bad faith.
 
@bwDraco I'm not. I'm seeing an issue, and where possible dealing with it roughly as consistantly as possible.
 
I am not assuming bad faith. Since we have at the very least young adults, since children can’t be part of SE, and everyone writes an answer I assume they have done some sort of writing to some level. Since I am pretty sure, plagiarism exists, and isn’t allowed in most regions I still come to the conclusion there’s not an excuse for it.
 
Also, lets not forget...
Its something we kinda need to deal with on an ongoing basis, and a pretty strong message its unacceptable is... well a good idea?
 
72 hours is a pretty strong message.
And in many cases, a sternly-worded warning will ward off any further offenses.
 
2:57 AM
eh, for most part 7 days is the "minimum" standard value
Its how we've been doing it for years (cough so nothing personal)
the only regular thing we do shorter suspensions for is self destruction of posts
 
Meta post time?
But then again, I'm not a mod so I'm not in a position to question this.
 
I go back to “in the real world” explosion from college, failing a class (without it being eligible for grade forgiveness), being let go from your job are all possible outcomes. So I think I strong message is warranted. What can I say, I spent to many hours writing good papers, to not hate plagiarism.
 
@bwDraco well, how long a suspension is is arbitrary
Is 6 days going to have a bigger effect than 7?
Or we can go "Ok, this is serious and lets start at X (where X has always been 7)
and escalate to 30 and 365 - though if we're having repeated issues, we might choose to do differently
 
3:15 AM
If it gets to 365, I'd escalate to a CM to evaluate more drastic actions, including the possibility of a network-wide suspension.
 
well, we're trusted up to 365
but it needs a specially bad case for that
But we always start at 7 ;)
 
 
3 hours later…
6:31 AM
Hmm, have I stumbled on a bug?
I reviewed a proposed edit, and rejected because it only changed "I am having" to "I have" in the title, along with a misleading comment, "formatting"
When I look at the proposed edit review now, it shows me my custom rejection, but a different edit
There is another edit which has the comment "Formatting" but it did other things and didn't mention the title
I would have also included "fix the body of the post too" in my reject reason, but the field is too short
 

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