MAWP

I think there are multiple issues needing to be addressed, but the main one I want to resolve is in the question title. Some background context: I'm somewhere between a junior and mid level software developer; I have 3 years of industry experience. I work in a relatively small company (< 20 softw...

Dion

most annoying web page?

HighlyRadioactive

Most Annoying Work in Progress?

Dion

for 1+ yes :DDD

HighlyRadioactive

5:48 AM

...

Dion

We should invite @razetime here, he's more active in answering in mawp than I am

HighlyRadioactive

Yes

Done

Madness And Wicked Programming language

Razetime

hello there

Dion

Minnesota Association of Women Police

@Razetime Hey-o!

Razetime

Mop AWP

HighlyRadioactive

5:51 AM

@Razetime hey razetime

Razetime

I just like answering in MAWP thats all

you can still go on with a contest

but it doesn't make sense to compete on two different langs

HighlyRadioactive

More than AWk Programming language

@Razetime Why?

Razetime

Like, 1+ and 256 makes more sense

but then again they are still different langs

Dion

It was just a random word when I came up with it, although this may have been the inspiration

HighlyRadioactive

Well there are competition between APL & Pyth & CJam

Dion

5:53 AM

@Razetime Iisnt the whole site about competing between langs?

@Dion No

sorta

Well, yeah, kinda

otherwise people will be unhappy with golfing languages

Razetime

mostly its about getting the best solution in your language

Dion

5:54 AM

@HighlyRadioactive Such as these

Razetime

if you really want the rep you can use golfing langs

2

HighlyRadioactive

MAp Without P

Razetime

but otherwise its about doing your best in your own langs

HighlyRadioactive

@Razetime How do you get rep from using golfing langs

Dion

I wouldnt say that non-golfing langs get less rep than golfing ones

HighlyRadioactive

5:55 AM

In the past people accept shortest languages but that's only 15 reps

that is one and a half upvote

Now we don't accept answers at all

Razetime

well depends on question

HighlyRadioactive

Cross language competition make sense and only make sense if the languages are from the same level

Golfing language competitions

Turing tarpit competitions

Razetime

well, MAWP isnt a turing tarpit

HighlyRadioactive

Appears to be unusable languages competitions

Razetime

"unusable" hah

HighlyRadioactive

5:58 AM

@Razetime The reason I suggested 1+ vs MAWP is they are both "easy to use, yet have few commands"

(Befunge-93 is probably going to join the fun too)

@Razetime Like Brian And Chuck vs ShapeScript

Razetime

oh befunge

I'll learn it

well go on

HighlyRadioactive

And then you'll outgolf every 1+ answer

don't do that no don't do that

Razetime

ah just let a man learn

anyway whats your goal in this contest

like an end goal

HighlyRadioactive

@Razetime Dunno

Actually I want to promote 1+ and make fun

Razetime

lol ok

feel free to golf on

HighlyRadioactive

6:05 AM

@Razetime MAWP doesn't have functions now right

Razetime

nope

HighlyRadioactive

@Razetime Nope it does or nope it doesn't

Also @Dion is gone

HighlyRadioactive

6:20 AM

@Razetime Comeback

Razetime

does not

just look at the reference

dion has documented it pretty well

HighlyRadioactive

ohok

/ and `\` in 1+ = ?? in MAWP 1.1

Razetime

/ and \ are shift operators

Lyxal

6:45 AM

How do I make negative numbers

Dion

7:01 AM

@HighlyRadioactive yep sorry had to leave for a bit

@Lyxal currently negative numbers are unsopported in MAWP

unsupported*

@HighlyRadioactive The same except the other way round I think

Lyxal

@Dion aw.

Doesn't matter

Dion

I'll have to make a version of the interpreter that is only MAWP 1.0

Lyxal

I still like MAWP

Dion

@Lyxal Yay! The fact that my first some-what big project is well received is just so awesome to me :)

Anyways, I'll get to work on the interpreter

cya

Lyxal

7:24 AM

@Dion I have a feature request: make it optional for programs to time out after a period like 60 seconds.

Why?

Because I accidentally froze the interpreter w/ an infinite loop

Dion

Yea, happens to me sometimes as well :D I'll have to do some googling about how to implement that, will get to work when I finish the two interpreter options and if I still have time today, going on a little trip for 10 days. If not today then will probably finish it tomorow

Lyxal

Help: why does |[!1A]%_[%W_]: keep freezing?

Dion

@Lyxal The stack debug is also available in the browser console in the developer tools - just make sure to open it BEFORE you run the code

HighlyRadioactive

Hi

I'm backyyy

@Dion LOL

Dion

heyo

HighlyRadioactive

7:37 AM

I created several not-so-big well-received (reads "have two or three users") projects before

they are a bit more useful than an esolang though

they are ports of Conway's Game of Life search tools

cuz I'm annoyed by the original search tools only supporting Conway's Game of Life itself, and not its variations, tweaks...

Dion

Oh, thats actually pretty cool

I used to love the different cellular automatas

HighlyRadioactive

@Dion Why "used to"?

Dion

btw, If i say @all here

@HighlyRadioactive I used to do them in python, which was my first language. But then I fell in love with javascript xd

HighlyRadioactive

What kind of rules do you investigate-y? Totalistic? INT? Multistates? Generations? HROT? Extended Neighbourhood? Hexagonal?

@Dion XD

Lyxal

Fun fact: MAWP 0.0 is more turing complete than MAWP 1.1

Dion

7:42 AM

@HighlyRadioactive The main ones that i did were the simple 8-neighbour ones

HighlyRadioactive

@Lyxal How

Dion

@Lyxal wait what xd

HighlyRadioactive

@Dion How many states? Symmetrical or asymmetrical?

Lyxal

The removal of negative subtraction makes proving it harder

@Dion a 1-to-one command mapping of this esolang prooves TCness

HighlyRadioactive

Some find asymmetrical ones fascinating because you can simulate gravity, etc. But I like symmetrical ones better because of my research method

@Lyxal You know it because it borrowed command-y from Keg.

Dion

7:44 AM

WARNING: I'M CURRENTLY PUSHING AN UPDATE TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE INTERPRETER. THE LATEST VERSION WILL NOW BE UNDER 8dion8.github.io/MAWP/v1.1 WHILE THE OLD LINK WILL REDIRECT YOU TO IT. I RECOMMEND YOU SAVE ANY CODE YOU ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW

@all

Lyxal

@all don't ping everyone

HighlyRadioactive

@all do ping everyone

Lyxal

No it don't

HighlyRadioactive

No it secretly pings everyone

Lyxal

Oh

HighlyRadioactive

7:46 AM

just that no one received the ping because it was hidden

Yayy

Dion

I wanted it to ping everybody in this chat, but I guess no

Update is through

HighlyRadioactive

@Dion I'ts simple! @HighlyRadioactive @Dion @Lyxal

Oh and @Razetime

Lyxal

@Dion cool beans

Dion

mawp 1.0 is now under 8dion8.github.io/MAWP/v1.0

Lyxal

Epic

HighlyRadioactive

7:47 AM

Cipe

Dion

And so the battle of 1+ and Mawp 1.0 begins :D

HighlyRadioactive

Although I can't access it

Dion

hmm

HighlyRadioactive

(but I don't need to access it!)

Dion

wait wha

im confused xd

works fine for me

HighlyRadioactive

7:48 AM

Likely a problem on my side

Lyxal

works for me too

but the submission generator doesn't work.

Don't panic, gays!

but im straight

hehe

lololololol

information fetched

Lyxal

7:50 AM

eh

i dont care

Dion

@Lyxal Hmm, weird

weird as in the submission gen, not that you are straight xd

Lyxal

@Dion i knew what you meant because of the message you replied to.

HighlyRadioactive

@Lyxal Hmm, weird

Lyxal

@HighlyRadioactive stuff off

HighlyRadioactive

Yayyyyyyy

~~~~

Lyxal

7:53 AM

I'd like to take a moment to point out a very helpful meta post:

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A: Default for Code Golf: Input/Output methods

Numerical input and output can be given as a character code For example, the input 64 can instead be given as the character @. This is mainly used for more esoteric languages that can only take input through character codes, for example brainfuck.

Dion

hmm, the gen doesnt work in both versions

@Lyxal You can already do that with the | operator

Lyxal

it means you don't have to use numbers as input

meaning you don't have to parse input

Dion

Haven't really seen that being used

but still interesting

Lyxal

0

A: Find the Factorial!

MAWP, 19 bytes |[!1A]%_1A[%W_1A]~: Utilises this input/output consensus that numbers can be taken as ascii characters.

@Dion now you have

HighlyRadioactive

Three users

for MAWP

one users for 1+

~~That's unfair!~~

Lyxal

7:56 AM

@HighlyRadioactive that's life

HighlyRadioactive

@Lyxal Everyday MAWP makes me say "that's unfair!"

Lyxal

@Lyxal the length is a strong contrast to my usual approach

Dion

@Lyxal ohh thats actually pretty cool

BTW, link and submission gen issues should be fixed now

HighlyRadioactive

Goodbye gays I'm going to create a language called 1++ to win against MAWPA

Lyxal

@Dion nvm, I just learnt MAWP has multidigit input

Dion

8:00 AM

@HighlyRadioactive It will have to compete with further versions of MAWP then >:)

@Lyxal Yes, but not in 1.0, where it could be utilised

Lyxal

oh

HighlyRadioactive

@Dion ...

Then I'll have 1+++

1++++

etc

1++ will have NTL (Nonstandard Template Library)

Lyxal

@HighlyRadioactive I swear I've heard that idea somewhere before

I wonder where.

Razetime

aw just try a different tarpit

Lyxal

...

Dion

8:05 AM

And I will continue making new versions haha

HighlyRadioactive

@Dion And I'll continue making new v3r510n5 h4h4

Razetime

well go on then

Lyxal

@HighlyRadioactive and I'll consider every victory Keg/Vyxal has over 1+ to be a win for MAWP.

HighlyRadioactive

@Lyxal ...

Razetime

this has gone from code golf wars to interpreter wars

HighlyRadioactive

8:06 AM

@Razetime No

Dion

@Razetime hahahaha

HighlyRadioactive

this has gone from interpreter wars to people wars

Razetime

What is Keg like?

Lyxal

@Razetime MAWP with strings and a few more golfier things

Dion

@Razetime very golfy from what i've seen

HighlyRadioactive

8:07 AM

@Razetime ~~Keg is a good esolang. It is very good.~~

Lyxal

@Dion I beg to differ sometimes.

Heh.

It rarely wins

Razetime

Yeah like there's a Lyxal answer in Keg everywhere

Lyxal

Like rarely

@Razetime it's mostly petStorm and I who use Keg

HighlyRadioactive

@Razetime Lyxal answer?

Razetime

and barely anyone can outgolf it

Ah so it's like Dion and me xD

Lyxal

8:08 AM

@Razetime hey, me too now

Razetime

oh no

Lyxal

I'm joining in on the fun

Dion

Yay!

HighlyRadioactive

Source: esolangs.org/wiki/…!

Razetime

well have fun lol

Lyxal

8:08 AM

i will

HighlyRadioactive

> !lyricly☭demote☭establish☭communism! is a good esolang. It is good. This is a good thing. Anyone claiming otherwise will be [REDACTED]

Lyxal

@Dion I've been watching MAWP for a bit now. I keep meaning to use it but keep getting snaked.

HighlyRadioactive

@Lyxal Tell StackExchange beware of their servers

Lyxal

@HighlyRadioactive why?

HighlyRadioactive

Once you begin using MAWP your inbox will fill the disk of the server

Lyxal

8:10 AM

Oh okay

Dion

@HighlyRadioactive Not really

HighlyRadioactive

Then they'll have to "physically" clean all those "And it seems like I should have known that..." out

Razetime

snaked meaning?

Lyxal

@Razetime someone gets in before you

So I might say "I was snaked by Razetime in posting a MAWP answer to find a factorial"

Razetime

oh yeah that

Lyxal

8:11 AM

Which is true

Because I thought that

Razetime

Do you think a Quine in MAWP is possible?

Lyxal

@Razetime yes

Razetime

ok cool

HighlyRadioactive

Stop!

It's impossible!

(nevermind

s'tI yrev ysae

Lyxal

@Razetime something like this but ported to MAWP could work or this

that's why I say yes.

because a stringless language had a working quine

Dion

8:14 AM

codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/204526/92080 this is a question that would be fun to answer

HighlyRadioactive

Keg.

Lyxal

@HighlyRadioactive yes

HighlyRadioactive

I feel like it would be more pratical to port the 1+ quine

But with the decoder thing rewritten

Is there a "print whole stack" command in MAWP-y?

Dion

nope, not yet at least

HighlyRadioactive

ok

Dion

8:16 AM

There is something like [;] tho

which is a loop

HighlyRadioactive

Uh

Lyxal

pro-tip: add a command to swap top two items and perhaps a register

HighlyRadioactive

If only the ascii value 1 character is M and ascii 2 is A

and ascii value 3 is W blah blah blah

Then it would be very very trivial

Lyxal

@HighlyRadioactive custom codepage!

HighlyRadioactive

But unfortunately not

@Lyxal But then you'll have to change the print char command accordingly

Select a TC (and easy to use) subset of MAWP

Use them as codepage 0-9

Dion

8:19 AM

@Lyxal heard of it, never looked into it though. Perhaps you know something to read about them?

HighlyRadioactive

@Dion It's just a special encoding for your language

usually it's used to save bytes

Lyxal

@Dion I'll get back to you on that

Because to be honest, I've never fully implemented one myself

HighlyRadioactive

for example you can sneak some more commands to the originally unprintable characters

Dion

@Lyxal BTW stackoverflow.com/a/8778899/12427665 I really dont know how to implement it now...

Maybe recognize when the stack is the same for a long time

HighlyRadioactive

I feel like

Dion

8:23 AM

@HighlyRadioactive ?

HighlyRadioactive

@Dion How does your interpreter work

Lyxal

And mawp just crashed my browser again

Dion

@HighlyRadioactive As in...?

@Lyxal Uhhh... Infinite loops again?

HighlyRadioactive

The 1+ interpreter loops through each instructions in a while loop

Every time the IP is incremented

Sometimes it reaches a goto command where the IP is simply changed

Dion

@HighlyRadioactive Yeah, it works pretty much the same

HighlyRadioactive

8:24 AM

To prevent occasional infinite loops in 1+ from me

Dion

And for loops there is a custom bracemap built

Lyxal

@Dion trying to divide by 0

HighlyRadioactive

@Lyxal This one should be easy to fix

Razetime

mawp crashes browser during infinite loops and divide by 0

HighlyRadioactive

I use a "number of instructions executed" and when it reaches 9999 break

Dion

8:25 AM

ohh... Yeah, I really have to add some sort of termination

HighlyRadioactive

@Razetime Check if divided by 0

if yes throw error before trying to divide

Dion

@HighlyRadioactive kinda smart. Maybe will just raise the number of instructions

fatfingered send

HighlyRadioactive

rax

Lyxal

19

Q: Divide Numbers by 0

We've all been told at some point in our lives that dividing by 0 is impossible. And for the most part, that statement is true. But what if there was a way to perform the forbidden operation? Welcome to my newest creation: b-numbers. b-numbers are a little bit like imaginary numbers: the main p...

code-golf math number

That kind of dividing by 0

HighlyRadioactive

Report that question! It is a bug that crashes MAWP!

(...or, implement divide by 0 that way?)

@Lyxal You now have 8008 reps

Dion

8:28 AM

@HighlyRadioactive 9080

Lyxal

@Dion 8008

9080 is the total i have over all se

HighlyRadioactive

I'm very proud because I upvoted the divide by 0 challenge just now

which made it from 7998 to 8008

Razetime

get to 9999 rep so it looks like genocide ending

Dion

@Lyxal ohh ok

@HighlyRadioactive Btw, i implemented this

HighlyRadioactive

@Dion ha ok

Also I reached 2000 reps today

Weird how I'm here for at least one year and only 2000 reps

Razetime

8:32 AM

were you able to fix that strange bytecount bug?

Dion

@Razetime yep

@HighlyRadioactive although i may have put the number to high

Razetime

great

HighlyRadioactive

...so it also crashes.

Razetime

@Lyxal have you been at 6969 at any point?

HighlyRadioactive

That would be really fun

Dion

8:35 AM

@HighlyRadioactive Waiting for github to build the site, lowered it

HighlyRadioactive

Oh and there are still 6699 registered users on Esolang now

Increment, but Golfier

General Lyxal discussion for a WIP language, 1++

Lyxal

@Razetime probably

I know I have been over on Reddit

Because i took a screenshot

Dion

@Lyxal Btw try crashing now! Put a limit of 4096 on the number of possible executions

Lyxal

@Dion oh nice

I will tomorrow

Dion

and a limit of 1kb on the output

just to be safe

@Lyxal keep forgetting that my timezone is really different

Lyxal

8:51 AM

@Dion what timezone?

Razetime

Impressive

Codegolf rep is way cooler tho

Lyxal

@Razetime something you might like: reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/h9a5af/youre_all_idiots_flowey

Razetime

Ah beautiful

Dion

@Lyxal Moscow, so GMT+3

Razetime

Do we have multiline input now?

or does | read till \n?

@Dion

Dion

9:01 AM

Each of the operators read one line per call

Razetime

oh ok

I want to read the whole of STDIN

Dion

They push 0 when no lines are left

Razetime

so we can do [|]

right?

Dion

Yep

Lyxal

@Dion utc+10 here

HighlyRadioactive

9:03 AM

Ifnomatino ftcheed

Razetime

GMT+5:30

Hmmm

IT doesn't read newlines?

HighlyRadioactive

Information fetched again

Dion

@Razetime It shouldn't

Razetime

aww too bad

tryna do this one: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/242/…

8dion8.github.io/MAWP/…

Dion

You could do something like [25W|]

Razetime

9:07 AM

yeah but it's STDIN only

Dion

Its close tho

Razetime

yeah but in these simple ones there some no trailing newlines or spaces rule

it has to be pretty exact

maybe I can print a backspace at the end

Dion

Maybe

HighlyRadioactive

Backspace is still a character

Razetime

nah it doesnt work on interpreter anyway

ASCII 8 doesnt come up

Dion

9:13 AM

yeah, i checked

Razetime

hey, is the debugger supposed to not show anything?

@Dion recent commit?

nevermind figured it out

Increment, but Golfier

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