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12:00 AM

"Best practices" does seem like a far more healthy view of this kind of thing than "The Law".

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+ further if you have discovered different/better things that are working well in specific situations, let's discuss that, it's probably worthwhile at least considering

Upper_Case

That's what really concerns me, though. Users who seem particularly active with regard to moderation tasks seem to lean pretty hard on "meta is the law" as a basis for their actions. I think that that's understandable-- the site maintenance-style stack moderation tasks tend to favor that approach. But when others disagree, a link to meta becomes the entire (public) argument for the initial action. My sense is that no one who favors a "meta is the law" approach, to any degree,

is going to be broken out of that habit by any other method. But I could be pretty far off on that

I have more tangential experience with those kinds of issues here than most high-activity users that come into chat

BESW

The "meta is law" issue got further radicalized a few times in the last year or so by a policy troll, that didn't help.

Thomas Markov

@BESW who hasn’t been seen since, which is nice.

doppelgreener

12:15 AM

well their M.O. has been that they'd sporadically vanish, then come back with a changed name or create a new account, and then we'd figure out who it was again after a couple of months and then they'd do it again

Thomas Markov

@doppelgreener so what you’re saying is, rpg.se is a game of Among Us?

doppelgreener

@ThomasMarkov oh no, we're recursing

Mark Wells

@ThomasMarkov you wish, it's actually Space Station 13

Someone_Evil

Hmm... Thomas kinda suss

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bobble

1:40 AM

popping by to be annoyed: this edit of mine was rejected by the OP, who later made the exact same edit to their post... unsure why that happened. so.

Someone_Evil

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Q: Are Markdown tables superior to MathJax arrays for accessibility?

Tables are really rough on screenreaders and other consumers of web accessibility features. Getting them right is an art, one I have practiced a bit professionally, though I remain a novice. The overwhelming majority of options available to web designers to improve accessibility with respect to t...

bobble

ah. i didn't check meta, thanks

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4:26 AM

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Q: How do the Warding Bond and Sanctuary spells interact?

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Xirema

Soooooooooooooooo......... Is it asking too much for a tool that will automatically convert Mathjax tables into Markup tables? I've been going through my old answers to adjudicate which tables should be updated and which should be left alone, and came across this answer and my eyes immediately glazed over from the terror of the amount of effort it's going to take to convert all of them.

I could probably write a tool myself, only because I know that, of the tables that I know should be converted over, they all tend to have the same format.

But if a tool already exists, I'd rather just use that.

BESW

There's a browser addon that tries to insert reader-accessible markdown into Mathjax tables on the fly.

I don't know if that would be of use, but might be worth looking at.

Xirema

Maybe.

My guess though is that it's not going to save me from manually rewriting most of the table, unless it plays nice with something like Excel.

Xirema

6:22 AM

Alright, I wrote a program for it. Can be found here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/56865577#56865577

Medix2

Wow, I literally just wrote a series of find+replace regex experssions for myself XD

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6:56 AM

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SmokeDetector

8:26 AM

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AncientSwordRage

9:23 AM

@BESW Heeeey I watched this already the other day, I'm a big fan of their vids

kviiri

10:10 AM

@doppelgreener The last time was the only time they actually created a new account though. Before, it was kinda obvious because they just changed their username.

doppelgreener

12:12 PM

@kviiri yeah, that's true

Akixkisu

12:28 PM

@doppelgreener in the case of the system guessing discussion using the policy as word of law prevents most of the conflict and redirects it to the issues of the state of that discussion.

doppelgreener

1:18 PM

@Akixkisu yes, but it also pre-empts capacity for us to make case by case judgement calls, and in doing so is a source of conflict; it also makes it far more difficult to have meta discussion at all. (we have already had users attempt to to coordinate to shut down any attempts to discuss case-by-case issues on meta, including promising they would use their privileges to prevent them from ever happening. they have in turn been prevented from doing that, or overridden, but it's still happened.)

BESW

I'm skeptical that flooding a new user's notifications with fragments of an ongoing policy disagreement is preferable to flooding their notifications with talk about their own question.

doppelgreener

this is exactly the thing i'm referring to when i said we deliberately seeded the idea of paying attention to the letter of the law above individual judgement, and this is the kind of consequences that are coming back to bite us

BESW

Not that either is necessarily great, but one certainly seems more impersonal and unwelcoming than the other.

doppelgreener

well sure

again, when i said maybe a specific comment discussion should stay on mainsite and not come to chat, i did not know the bigger context. i did however know it was between two users who keep not getting along here in chat and who might be capable of having a quick back and forth in comments and calling it done without needing to come here.

Akixkisu

The source of conflict seems to stem instead from how we interact with policy.

doppelgreener

1:24 PM

"could you clarify what you're referencing in that comment?" "i'm referencing this" doesn't require discussing ongoing policy disagreement. that part could happen in chat if the participants want, but there's capacity to just ask for clarification and call it done in the comments themselves.

@Akixkisu in large part i agree

BESW

Yeah, I'm more speaking to the negative impacts of shifting from discussion of the particular question, to discussion of policy, every time a new question arises.

More room for policy to provide principles by which to judge cases on individual merits, would make the conversations on new users' questions more welcoming to the user and less like they got plunged head-first into the middle of a telenovela.

doppelgreener

i super agree with that

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