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Q: Tasha's Hideous Laughter used on a deaf person?

PrudishducklingWas wondering if a target effected by the deafen condition can be effected by Tasha's Hideous Laughter? The spell states creature of your choice, so was just wondering if they needed to be able to hear or not. Thank you all

 
 
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4:12 AM
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Q: If you can't target a creature without a clear path, does that mean Scrying fails unless you can already see the target?

KaielOfThothThe section "A Clear Path to the Target", on page 205 of the PHB states "To target something, you must have a clear path to it, so it can’t be behind total cover." The spell Scrying, contains the following text: "You can see and hear a particular creature you choose that is on the same plane of ...

 
Hey all, if i wanted to give a Hydra a breath weapon, how could that work mechanically?
for instance, how large of a cone? how much damage? should i take the breath weapon stats from a similar creature (say a young dragon) or have some in game wizard cast the dragons breath spell?
But most importantly, would every head have a breath weapon?
 
4:27 AM
Those questions sound like most of them are system-specific.
 
4:39 AM
5e
@BESW apologies, it's for DND 5e
 
Ahah. I'm sure there's some people here who can help you with that!
 
Each head should have a different flavor of breath. Mint, garlic, cinnamon, cookies, etc.
 
[takes notes]
Roll For Shoes game: every player is a different head on one hydra.
 
@Youjay The save DC and damage numbers should be scaled to the average party level
 
@MikeQ how would I do that?
is there like a table in the dmg i'm completely blanking on or something?
 
4:46 AM
Math. Or look at other CR 8 creatures with AOE attacks and use approximate numbers.
 
I find it hard to believe nobody's made a table for that yet.
 
But you'll have to consider the hydra's existing action economy. It makes a lot of attacks per round. Giving it multiple breath attacks could get messy.
 
Back when I was doing 4e, I had my choice of GM cheat sheet tables for slapping together opponents on the fly.
 
Here's an analysis of creature stats that might be helpful blogofholding.com/?p=7338
That gives you a decent guideline for how much damage you should be doing for a given CR
 
@BESW If all the heads have cookie breath, then it's a carbohydra
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4:50 AM
Features the liches-with-less-antisemitism suggestion that we call their object of power "Corruperware." Headcanon accepted.
Although, I also really like the idea of every lich naming their own phylactery.
 
5:20 AM
Does anybody know why in dnd-5e spells with names in them do not have names in them on dndbeyond?
Such as Tasha's Hideous Laughter
 
@Medix2 Some were published separately. e.g. Tasha's hideous laughter was in PHB, whereas generic-brand hideous laughter was in Basic Rules
 
@MikeQ Does that mean we should use the PHB version in links?
 
Hm... I dunno. Whichever you prefer? They should be functionally the same.
 
I just realized if you don't own the book you can open one link but not the other
 
5:35 AM
@BESW Yet another good read, thanks
I think the most common errors in thought among my peers are that religious law is always universal moral law, and that even in polytheistic settings people must devote themselves to a single god and at very least try to politely one-up the believers of others
Divisible souls are cool too, I wonder why it's not more popular in media when it could easily tie in to the id/ego/superego trope that is quite prevalent
 
5:59 AM
IIRC the old-school model around here was that a person's soul was composed of three parts: the spirit that makes one actually alive, the nature that would infuse the person with strength of character and creativity, and the self which defines one's personality. A person might lose any of these for a while or permanently: loss of spirit would mean dying, loss of nature would render one dull or weak-willed, loss of self would make one eg. depressed or otherwise miserable.
I should put that in a game some time, and see what cool stuff people could spin out of that :>
 
tl;dr A thing can be multiple things
 
6:17 AM
@kviiri I've got a background project for an Egyptian political thriller fantasy campaign set in the 1450s BC, which uses Bubblegumshoe relationship mechanics to model connections to the gods because that seems more accurate to their actual belief systems.
 
6:44 AM
@BESW Thanks for sharing this. I also appreciate his preliminary thoughts on the mess that is ki/monks in D&D and how to address that.
@Medix2 Yep, precisely. I edit links to the SRD/Basic Rules version where that distinction exists, so that the link is more accessible.
 
@V2Blast And he talked more in-depth than I was familiar with about the pre-colonial concept of zombies, which was cool.
The notion of a soul being easily manipulated if it lacks social connections, feels like it has thematic parallels with the Pasifika concept of mana.
 
@BESW So zombies are essentially cousins of "lonely people being lured into carrying out evil stuff"?
 
I suppose parallels could be drawn, based on Hodes' explanation.
 
7:24 AM
Morniiiing
 
Hiya!
 
Morning all
 
@Nyakouai hola
 
7:40 AM
[wave]
 
7:50 AM
I managed to get my group through the end of the introductory adventure in Curse of Strahd this weekend ! But the balance in this adventure is terrible, I had to nerf it down and generally help my players through it, and they were still hanging by their fingernails at the end
I had to outright disable about half the traps too
 
@PierreCathé ...There's a reason it's called "Death House" :P
 
@PierreCathé I think the introductionary adventure is generally quite terribly designed, and yeah. Our group hardly survived it; of our four characters, two were unconscious upon exit, and two others had a single hit point remaining, and even that was largely the result of me applying liberal amount of cheese through my not-too-seriously picked Healer feat.
 
When I played it, basically all but one member of our group went down to 0 HP by the time we got back to the door. The bard basically had to wait there for an hour or two while the rest of us got back up to 1 HP after stabilizing
We basically dove out the front door and prayed for success
 
Yeah that was about it for me too, but that was before escaping from the angry house, so they still had to get through the toxic smoke and the rats
So I made the smoke non-toxic because the alternative was a tpk
But the ambiance really is well-done, I think everyone could feel the vibe of treading through the haunted house
Also now they have seen Strahd's name on a letter, and a mysterious black carriage hurriedly left the village as they exited the house, so they're pretty hyped for the rest of the adventure
 
8:15 AM
Gimli:
Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for?
 
8:26 AM
and the Death House doesn't even have some adamantine doors that you could steal....
 
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Q: Would a 6th-level Aasimar Celestial-patron Warlock be able to add twice their Charisma mod to the damage of the Eldritch Blast spell?

CyanicAasimar (at least Scourge and Protector) get an ability that allows them to add their level in radiant damage to any damage roll they make, and the Celestial Warlock gets to add their Charisma modifier to any radiant damage they do. Additionally, if that warlock has Agonizing Blast, that also ma...

 
(if someone doesn't get the Tomb of Horror reference from above, see here for a related talk we had some time ago :P)
 
On the same note as Pierre, we finished the 1st book of the Dead Suns AP for Starfinder with my group of rookies (they're adorable).
2 encounter, fearing the TPK, highly believing the mob harassing us is the boss when the GM looks us deadpan in the eyes and say "You think this is the boss? Kiddos... You've seen nothing "
In the end, we had gathered enough informations on the boss to be ready, so the final fight went super smoothly while the two warm-up encounter nearly downed us all
 
 
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10:40 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer (346): How would a mute spell caster work? by Itz Vera Gold on rpg.SE
 
10:50 AM
Heh. I just noticed that well over half of my RPG.SE visits have been from my current streak of almost 900 days.
 
 
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12:51 PM
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Q: Would every head of a Hydra be affected by the Dragon's Breath spell?

YoujayI'm a DM setting up a oneshot. I have an idea to spice up combat a bit by giving a hydra a breath weapon. So far, the least homebrew option I've thought of is to have an enemy spellcaster cast dragon's breath on it. However, a Hydra is stated to start out with 5 heads; does this mean every head ...

 
 
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3:31 PM
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Q: Can a Centaur utilize a mount?

He Who Rules As IntendedI am not asking if a Centaur can be used as a mount, such is in this question, I am asking if a Centaur can utilize a mount of its own, as in riding/mounting its own creature. This may sound counter-intuitive, and I can conjure as many arguments anyone else can in favor of or against it as well...

 
I motion that medium-size centaurs are awful
5e centaurs should be large creatures with the special rule that they use medium-size weapons because they've got medium-size arms
then all being large grants them is a greater carrying capacity and protection from being grappled/shoved by small creatures
 
Wait are you expecting good design from WotC ?
 
heh
 
These are people who thought the best way to introduce a newbie to spells was to sort them all alphabetically and then give a list of available spells
That requires a special kind of brain
Okay I'm just being gratuitously flippant here, it's just the end-of-day tiredness speaking
I'll just go home, cya all
 
3:57 PM
@PierreCathé Not that outlandish, given how many programming classes start off by enumerating the chosen language's data types, then all control statements, then all types of loops it supports. I think it was quite standard at one point.
4e has recommended first level picks. Although it has somewhat less options at L1 for caster classes
 
I thought the class spell lists preceded the spell descriptions
at least they do in my memory, and the chapter order in the PHB according to dndbeyond, though my content sharing appears to have gone away
 
They do in the PHB as well, and for the overwhelmed newbie they do have a list of "recommended" spells for 1st level chars
Though I will agree the PHB solution isn't great, I'm not sure how you could solve it better in book form (as opposed to spell cards and/or digital solutions).
 
4:14 PM
@Someone_Evil Huh, you're right aren't you... I somehow thought about it but concluded I must've been thinking about 4e all this time. (4e has it too, but not exclusively as we see here)
 
@Someone_Evil I think the spell lists would be better if at least they were first sorted by level, and then by name.
Though I can certainly understand that others might disagree.
 
That creates the problem that if you need to find a spell you need to know what level it is. Arguably a better solution for beginners, but slightly less useful for looking things up
 
 
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8:43 PM
@PierreCathé I criticize WotC as much as the next sheep, but let's be honest: they thought the best way to introduce newbies to spells was to give them a pregen wizard and a pregen cleric, each statted only out to L4, and to put just the L1 and L2 spells they had into the booklet. They thought the best way to provide a reference text for spells was to alphabetize them all.
 
9:18 PM
@Carcer It also affects creatures' ability to fit in an area (many dungeons are designed with 5-foot-wide tunnels, and a rare few might even require a Medium creature to squeeze), as well as the area covered by an aura.
 
9:44 PM
is it just me or does rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/154618/… not make any sense in the system
 
I wonder why there's a sense centaurs need to be awkwardly oversized in the first place? Is it the "realism" bugbear? Do people just have a deep heartfelt fantasy about riding a horse that's also built like Dwayne Johnson? If modern art depicted Class B centaurs more frequently would we be more inclined to scale the horse part to the human instead of the human part to the horse?
 
what's awkward about it
they're meant to be horses with the body of a person on the front
horses are big
 
Centaurs, despite being imaginary, are pretty imaginable
Its a horse + rider
We know how big that is
 
yeah
 
They are also fantasy creatures which can be any size we want, and horses are not all big. We don't insist that naga all have halfling-sized torsos because snakes don't really get that big, and yet ponies exist.
 
9:53 PM
so we imagine that's how big a centaur is
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Achilleus_Lyra.jpg
His head alone seems oversized compared to the human. Maybe that's it.
 
And it's specifically awkward in a D&D context because dungeon crawling.
 
That's because we don't have an intutitive picture of naga
 
and the human part is not, as far as I am culturally contextualised, meant to be out of proportion or particularly large compared to a normal human person
they've just got a sodding horse for a butt
 
Again, class b centaurs.
 
9:55 PM
after some quick googling
 
@BESW i mean, I think some people definitely are into riding a Centaur built like Dwayne Johnson, maybe even specifically one that is him? who are we to judge (but yes I don't think they are a majority, probably, so they wouldn't completely drive this weird thing)
 
I get the impression that probably almost nobody who is not an art buff would see a class b centaur and go "ah yes, a class b centaur"
 
@Carcer That'd be my point, yes.
 
So class b is a person with (2) horse legs?
 
yes, a human torse atop a horse's hindquarters
 
9:56 PM
There's a specific image which we feel is "obvious" or "intuitive" but other variants exist; why is that one dominant?
 
I mean, I would have seen that and thought it was a satyr or something
 
"People are most familiar with that one" is just re-stating the premise as the conclusion.
 
okay
I feel like you're mixing up things if you're going to ask questions like "is it the realism bugbear?" because I'm not sure why anyone would consider class a more realistic than class b
 
Class A: a horse with a person's torso/arms/head where the horse's head would be.
Class B: A person with a horse's torso and hind legs coming out of their butt.
Class C: Class B, but with horse's hooves on the front feet too.
 
oh, I misread this wikipedia page
 
9:59 PM
@BESW Ah that makes it clearer
 
@Carcer I mean... that's why realism is a bugbear? It doesn't actually hold up when analyzed. Realism in fantasy and scifi tends to be a justification for something more subjective or emotional which we want to frame as rational and objective.
 
well, sure, the realism argument people like to make is often very dubious
 
So, you know, why is class b less realistic than class a? Because we're conditioned to one and not the other.
 
Wouldn't a class B centaur be the same size-ish as a normal centaur?
 
 
10:02 PM
ish
 
This horse cannot come out of this guy's butt without some anatomical hacks.
 
Less tall, but there's still a horse there
 
so you mean people intuitively feeling class a is "more realistic" than class b simply because that's what they're familiar with
 
That's my postulate, yes, and I'm wondering why that's so.
 
Ok I'm going to say there's no way I'm going to be able to picture this with words
 
10:03 PM
Especially in contexts where it'd make things easier to change it--like fitting centaur into dungeons that measure things in five-foot increments.
When we cling to something despite it being inconvenient, and complain when it's changed to be more convenient, that tells me there's something interesting going on.
 
I mean, sometimes that familiarity is just a self-perpetuating cycle
I don't know why type A necessarily became more popular than the other depictions from the art of that time but having done so I don't think anything special needs to be going on for it to remain the popular version and for people to be resistant to change
it probably helps that that's the version most obviously rideable by a human being, a proportional type b/c is a bit lacklustre beach donkey
 
So centaurs are like vampires? They lost their original diversity in the pop culture consciousness and now pop culture inertia freaks out if they deviate from the "norm" that never existed?
 
that seems accurate
 
I need to write a miniRPG about Shetland centaurs knitting each other sweaters.
 
10:21 PM
or I suppose I should say that seems plausible. I suppose I haven't really investigated centaur pop culture in detail
 
It's not something that I've ever been particularly interested in either, but Grecian mythology is inescapable so I've picked up a lot.
And now I'm curious how much Class A's prevalence in modern collections of Antiquity art reflects Antiquity, vs how much it reflects the curation choices of the collectors.
 
user15026
10:43 PM
@BESW I'm picturing like christmas sweaters and other such fanciness
 
XD
 
user15026
@BESW omg yes that's exactly what I wanted :D
 
@BESW But... are they fantasy creatures born of various cultures' intermittent contact with Eurasian steppe peoples? If so, the strong gravity of "warrior-bodied adult human + horse bred to support that" might be inescapable?
 
Eh, that's pure speculation and it feels really condescending.
 
user15026
10:58 PM
@nitsua60 I'm not sure how that would come out of that.
 
(a) Every culture has animal/human hybrids, why do we need to justify centaurs in particular as some kind of inability to understand horse technology? (b) That in turn imposes a form of literalism to mythic traditions which just reeks of paternalistic scientism.
(That is, the "explanation for horse-riders" origin for centaurs derives from the condescending idea that all supernatural phenomena are the result of insufficiently advanced attempts to explain natural phenomena, rather than admitting such things have value as social tools and ways of interacting with non-tangible elements of human existence; it reduces faith to pseudo-science, which is a fundamental failure to understand the nature of faith and its role in society.)
 
user15026
Faith isn't just the thing we do when we can't science our way out of a thing.
 
And, yeah, Greek notions of faith and the supernatural were dramatically different from ours, but it's clear they weren't literal-minded people.
 
11:13 PM
@Ash I agree. (And I don't think I implied that?)
I certainly don't believe faith is only... anything. I might be the sort to argue it's everything, rather =)
(Anyway--I gotta run. Many miles to go, and all.... Have a good night/day, everyone.)
 
11:32 PM
In summary, horse
Manhorse,? No just horse
 
A preview of the Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus adventure's table of contents, and first few pages: belloflostsouls.net/2019/09/…
 
11:58 PM
I mean, Greek Mythology was a bit weird, but I'm sure they would say the same about us if they saw half the things we make up
 

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