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12:31 AM
@BESW What, all at the same time?
 
@Smurfton Well, not the same person, no.
 
Kind of disappointing
 
Though frankly I wouldn't have been surprised.
Okay, I think I have a decent grasp on Aquila's motive aspect: I must expose Griffonia’s shadowy enemies.
 
is that your wordsmith's name?
 
Wordsmith is on hold.
 
12:37 AM
Ah. Who's aquila, then?
 
Tonight I will be playing Aquila Grove-Daughter.
 
how do you already have stress?
 
Still not really content with her approach ranks, but otherwise she's finished.
 
@BESW do we know who is GMing today?
 
That's stress boxes.
 
12:39 AM
I don't completely remember how that system works
 
@trogdor Greener or Dan.
 
Oh.
 
ah, so we still don't know between them who it is
 
I know they're collaborating on prep.
 
ah
 
1:01 AM
[sigh] One of my old college D&D players keeps tagging me for this kind of thing on Facebook.
 
@BESW The Ghost of Campaigns Past
 
Yes.
@Ceribia Hi!
 
@Besw Hello!
 
What's new?
 
Idling around before board game night. You?
 
1:13 AM
Finishing up my PC for tonight's game while on break at a meeting.
 
Excellent drawing. Yours?
 
Alas, no. Taken from here.
 
Ah well, still a nice find
 
Bronycraft art is often surprisingly appropriate for Umdaarian visuals.
 
hahaha Perfect re-purposing
 
1:19 AM
My group's main campaign is a version of the RPG in an +magic modern-day setting, but we're using the Umdaar setting for the interior of an Atlantean colony ship that we just rescued.
I'm the primary GM, but sometimes other people in the group run some sessions, and tonight is one of those times. My usual PC is inappropriate for the current story (Jessie didn't come with on our trip to the colony ship), so I made Aquila.
 
1:38 AM
@BESW hm. I may ask you to run Lady Blackbird tonight, 'cause our ideas of what to do aren't really fully formed yet.
 
That's also a thing that can happen.
For some reason Lady Blackbird just works for me, so I can run it when I wouldn't have the brainpower for anything else.
 
I'm really glad that's a thing right now!!
 
1:53 AM
@BESW I was actually going to mention that
the griffon picture you have is really appropriate for Umdaar
 
Equestria Prevails in particular has awesome Umdaarian art.
 
2:09 AM
@trogdor i agree!
 
:)
 
@BESW -- do you think that I should try a system such as Lady Blackbird, or would it be a waste of my time?
 
2:26 AM
@Shalvenay to what ends? it's not gonna magically fix you
 
@doppelgreener no, I'm trying to see if diversifying my experience systems-wise will help at least
 
then what would make it a waste of your time?
 
@doppelgreener well, true...It probably is worth a shot, at least for a one-shot, no?
 
sure, it'll diversify your experiences whether or not it goes well.
 
2:56 AM
Regardless of the actual tenor of the experience, I've never wished I hadn't tried a new system.
 
we've even had systems that didn't go well that I'm grateful we tried out, and deadEARTH at least has its character generation
 
Yes, exactly.
 
@BESW nods
 
For your situation, LB might be... interesting... as it puts a lot of mechanical focus on characterisation.
 
@BESW yeah, that's part of the reason I'm interested in it to some extent
@BESW although, the setting-dependency might not ring well with me -- I'm not a huge steampunk fan, although it's much more tolerable to me than say, supers
 
3:03 AM
The steampunk is pretty low-key.
It's more... Magipunk Firefly does Edwardian Star Wars but with more pirates.
 
@BESW hrm.
 
And it starts right out by saying "Your physics is not our physics."
> The worlds of the Wild Blue float in a sky of breathable gases circling a small, cold star. Scholars believe that the star is made from pure Essence—the strange energy that sorcerers channel for their magic. This “solar system” is much smaller than you might think—it takes about six weeks to cross from one side to the other on a standard sky ship. Most of the worlds of the Empire are so closely positioned that it takes only a day or two to travel from one to another.
> The heavier gases form a dense layer of fog below the “sky” of the Wild Blue. This fog is corrosive —people need to wear gas-masks to breathe and most airship hulls will start to corrode after a single exposure. Pirates and other criminals sometimes use the lower depths to evade Imperial patrols and launch raids from hiding. Unfortunately, the depths are home to sky squid and other monstrous things....
 
lol
 
And the aesthetic is more "magical dieselpunk" than "steampunk."
Lots of riveted iron and pointy corners, less wood and brass and ivory.
 
@BESW that doesn't sound too bad :)
 
3:16 AM
@Shalvenay Check out page 8 of the (free) pdf for the most detailed information about the tech level and aesthetic of the setting.
The whole thing is largely couched in implication, with most of the setting details open for the group to define during play.
 
hey there @nitsua60
 
Eyup, folks!
 
hey as well @Anaphory
 
3:39 AM
[wave]
 
How's life?
 
Busy! But a lot of it is the kind of busy where my feet hurt but I get money. So that's not so bad.
 
Ah. I'm about to start non-busy for two weeks (though getting from place to place is not lazy either)
 
@Anaphory OK here -- having some technical frustrations, but those should work themselves out
 
@Shalvenay I had some science-technical frustrations yesterday.
 
3:48 AM
@Anaphory ah, of what sort?
 
Who got the bloody bad idea that PDF is in any way a remotely acceptable format to share (in particular tabular) data??
 
@Anaphory why
 
I'm annoyed by a too-short USB cable (although longer ones are on order, they'll take a few days to arrive, and it's on the critical path for a school project), and rather frustrated at an issue with the Jessie backport for Wine on one of my boxes that's breaking it rather completely
 
Spent most of the day trying to coerce it into a remotely useable format.
 
@Anaphory for tabular data...yeah, I kinda get your pain. probably better if they'd have given you a CSV
 
3:49 AM
or anything.
Anything but a PDF that has some kind of text flow following rows, unless a cell has more than one word in it, in which case it jumps to some other row, or there columns are too far apart, in which case it takes all the other rows first and then the next column, or takes in page numbers and headers, etc.
 
You know, the more I see, the more I think there really is no such thing as a question.
 
A neighbour is in the stairwell outside my door shouting "LOOK WHERE MY HANDS ARE!" in a very aggrieved tone of voice.
 
Under what circumstances does that sentence make sense in that voice?
 
@Miniman There kind of is. No question is going to be able to apply to every system, but there's enough generically applicable questions to certain kind of systems (one gm multiple players) that the tag still has a bit of a use.
Unless you're saying that the tag serves no purpose at all?
 
@WrongOnTheInternet No, the tag definitely serves a purpose - it's for people who want system-agnostic answers.
 
3:59 AM
Why would there be system-agnostic answers if there are no system-agnostic questions?
Don't they share the System-Does-Matter problem?
 
@Anaphory I didn't say system-agnostic answers were a good thing. Just that people want them.
 
@Anaphory The system-does-matter problem?
 
@WrongOnTheInternet Exactly what it sounds like - it's the simple fact that system does in fact matter.
 
Yeah, okay. I was just thinking some questions have more broadly applicable answers than others.
 
@WrongOnTheInternet Absolutely! I often look at answers for systems I don't use, and they often contain useful information.
But take the question that triggered this line of thought.
He'll get system-agnostic "Talk to them!" answers, and that's fine.
But there are a whole bunch of systems where the question just doesn't even make sense.
And the querent would probably get a better answer if we knew what system they were playing and could give them more specific advice.
 
4:04 AM
… There is a system-agnostic answer: “RUN, FORREST, RUN!”?
 
@Miniman That's true, GMless systems wouldn't have an issue like this. It's a problem that could potentially happen in any One-GM Many-Players system though (OGMMP?), so the tag makes sense, I'd say.
Also, why would someone keep playing in a game like?
 
"Not related to any one particular system or rules" is very different from "Usable with any system and any rules."
 
@WrongOnTheInternet A whole forest of reasons, all of which we see regularly. "We're friends", "I can't find any other groups", "I don't want to be rude", you name it.
 
"I am literally imprisoned and chained to the desk" is one we haven't come across yet though.
 
@doppelgreener There we have it. A good reason to not quit the game.
 
4:11 AM
Also, I am reminded of a game I once played in.
The GM decided that his GMPC was going to heroically sacrifice himself to save us all from the terrifying villain he'd created, in order to show that the villain was Serious Business.
At least three of the players came up with ways to defeat the villain, or at least fight it to a standstill long enough to escape. One of these solutions took literally the time it takes to say "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." But the GM insisted that before we could do any of that, his GMPC had pulled the pins on a dozen grenades, run the length of the roof, and taken a swan dive onto the villain on the street below.
Then we came up with two plausible ways to keep the GMPC from dying in the resulting explosion, but both were vetoed with "It happens too fast to react." One of the PCs was a time-manipulation mage.
Thus, the GM's character nobly and pointlessly sacrificed himself to stop a threat that any one of us could've snapped our fingers to make weep uncontrollably.
 
@BESW Sounds... irritating.
 
The game broke up soon after that.
So yeah.
 
I want to write a new GM's guide, and one of the top three items on the list of things that will be included in that guide is the importance of Player Agency.
 
Instead of a GMPC who couldn't be defeated, I was in a game with a GMPC who couldn't be saved from himself.
 
@BESW Eh, it's the same thing really.
 
4:24 AM
Indeed.
 
@BESW He got overly excited and sacrificed himself anyway. A true red shirt.
 
This was a GM who was famous for coming up with really awesome stories, and running games where the PCs were basically finger puppets for telling his stories.
His players generally felt that loss of agency was a worthy price for admission to a front-row seat to his stories.
 
@BESW Not something I understand terribly well, but hey, if that's how they have fun...
 
@WrongOnTheInternet That was kinda my reaction too.
I joined mostly out of curiosity for the system and as a favour to two friends in the game.
Drama between participants sunk the game less than a week after I joined.
 
My favorite part about GMing is generally seeing weird unexpected things happen because the players interacted with something.
@BESW Adults?
 
4:30 AM
@WrongOnTheInternet Roughly. College students.
@WrongOnTheInternet I know, right? I'm loving the insanity my Fate game is getting up to, and most of it is totally coming from my players.
 
@BESW My players happened to cause a war because they baked (and ate) a pie of magical spices.
 
One player came to me with a stat build for Elon Musk and his telepresence androids called Musketeers, and said, "I was going to play this guy, but I think he's an antagonist. Here."
5
 
@BESW Okay, that's fantastic.
 
So next session I threw in a Musketeer-piloted spaceship attacking our ship with singularity missiles.
 
@BESW [wipes a proud tear from one eye]
 
4:32 AM
...Their response was to Skype him and say "Yo, what gives?"
When he hung up on them and kept firing, they hacked his spaceship and set off all his missiles.
 
(His missiles create black holes. Having all of them set off while still on your ship is bad news.)
 
There's not much of the SpX Negative Feedback left.
 
@BESW I hope they use it as a gravitational slingshot in the future.
 
Oh, singularity missiles create very small and temporary black holes.
I think they were originally invented to help clean up near-Earth space debris.
 
@BESW Ah. That's probably for the best. Now I can't help but imagine a massive space battle where the entire "battlefield" is littered with blackholes that need to be avoided, though.
 
4:41 AM
Given how close we were to the Sun, I don't think someone as conscious of the fragility of humanity's future as Elon Musk would've been throwing around permanent black holes.
 
4:53 AM
@BESW Perfectly fair.
Also, almost done with this d100 Magic Items table.
Which is exciting.
 
yeah, Elon Musk is apparently too smart for that whole thing
 
apparently however he learned the hard way that you're not supposed to connect your ship's command centre, with all of its combat systems, to the internet.
 
He may not be using all open-source software next time, either.
 
Thankfully, proprietary closed-source software is often much worse than open-source software, because at least open-source software has had thousands of people notice and fix bugs.
Closed-source software is like... Oracle recently said the people using their software weren't allowed to report bugs in Oracle's software because doing so was reverse engineering their software, which their license agreement said they weren't allowed to do.
 
@doppelgreener That sounds... psychotic.
And they're a huge software company! What the hell.
 
5:07 AM
> Oracle's chief security officer is tired of customers performing their own security tests on Oracle software, and she's not going to take it anymore. That was the message of a post she made to her corporate blog on August 10—a post that has since been taken down.
 
There's a reason that post has been taken down.
 
Yes there is.
This person is their chief security officer though.
 
@doppelgreener yah. the major FOSS projects, on a whole, are very good about proper security triage -- something that many commercial development companies fail to grasp.
 
I don't know what kind of qualified CSO would complain about this.
 
@doppelgreener Why. It's as if the CSO doesn't think any vulnerabilities will be exposed this way, which is dumb, or they don't want vulnerabilities exposed this way, which is dumber.
 
5:10 AM
@doppelgreener yeah -- I'd much rather people who want to tell us about them find them.
 
@Shalvenay Yes. XD Exactly!!!
The bugs are there whether you hear about them or not, and one of the chief security mantras is: it is not a matter of "if" but "when". Things will be found! Let the people who are finding them tell you!
@WrongOnTheInternet Or Oracle has some weird stuff going on internally where the CSO gets in trouble when a security bug is found, as opposed to some kind of healthy perspective like "bugs are inevitable, we can't fix all of them, it's great when they get reported". And the CSO lashed out externally to the people causing her trouble.
 
@doppelgreener All of the words in that sentence made me angry.
 
@WrongOnTheInternet Yeah, there's no plausible reason behind this that is a good one.
 
@doppelgreener I'm finding it hard to understand how a company could be a software giant with that kind of culture, unless it somehow became the culture after they were already wildly successful.
 
5:19 AM
@WrongOnTheInternet most likely the latter. they've been a software giant for a long time.
 
@WrongOnTheInternet Most companies undergo serious cultural changes as they become more successful.
 
That's terrible. If only companies could fail faster at broken approaches like that.
 
@Shalvenay That was awesome! Although the title is pretty deceptive.
 
@Miniman I liked it as well
 
@Shalvenay Now I'm trying to work out which LotR character I correspond to, and I have a serious suspicion it's not Sam.
 
5:26 AM
OH! Would a simplified NPC generator be of use for existing complicated systems (like M&M)?
 
5:40 AM
There are a lot of them floating around, so I'd assume folks see a need.
[looks at new feed items] An unarmed barbarian would have trouble holding a weapon, wouldn't he?
 
@BESW haaaaa
[ponders] when you're up against a robot, the act of disarming them can have fun interpretations.
 
We've disarmed Dr Light at least once.
 
@doppelgreener LOTOs Dr. Light, swaps his end effectors
 
Heh. Dr Light is not a robot; he's a plant creature not unlike the Swamp Thing.
 
@BESW ah, your local friendly Shambling Mound ;)
 
5:55 AM
Yup.
 
6:13 AM
@BESW technically at least 2 or 3 times
most of his body blew up once
 
6:55 AM
@BESW I like how older stuff tended to have two titles. It also confused me in older cartoons: they'd say "TO BE CONTINUED in TITLE ONE, or, TITLE TWO." So, what, there's going to be two different episodes continuing this one..?
 
lol
 
And does the "or" mean they're both going to continue it but down alternate storylines? Those two titles sure do sound like two different stories. But the last episode was to be continued by two different episodes as well! I only saw one of those and you're already announcing another duo of episodes. How is any of this manageable!?
 
I would hate to have a show I was watching branch out into two episodes at the same time
 
@trogdor I remember you like to watch your shows in order. I imagine it'd be a bit of a nightmare for you especially.
 
Hmm. Tracking down the history of that convention is very hard, as all the terminology does double, triple, or quadruple duty to mean other things.
 
7:08 AM
@doppelgreener yes,.....
 
"Subtitle," "alternate title," and "explanatory title" are all used.
I think that what you're describing is best called an "explanatory title."
A good example is Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus.
It's not an alternate full title that you might find the work listed under, like Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone is an alternate title for Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.
It could be a subtitle, but subtitles are just as commonly (or more!) used with a different form. eg, Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest or Star Wars: The Force Awakens.
"Explanatory title" seems to be the best term for specifically describing the phenomenon where a work has a perfectly good independent title (unlike Star Wars, which is insufficient in itself) and then a bit gets tacked on to give you a bit of detail re: what it's about.
However, everybody uses those terms quite interchangeably which, among other things, makes it really hard to track down the history of the use.
 
yeah our language has that problem in spades
not the least because those who speak it have that habit XD
 
(Shakespeare did something like it with Twelfth Night, or What You Will. And it seems to have been uncommon but not so rare as to be remarked upon at the time.)
 
@BESW Yeah, in this case, it's like they thought of two perfectly good titles, and went "Welp, can't decide, guess we'll just call it both of them."
 
7:31 AM
@doppelgreener You and Dan will want to have the LB PDF downloaded, and you'll probably want to print out your PC sheets when you choose them.
 
Let me see if I have it.
 
8:32 AM
@Polyducks Potential Paranoia scenario. Friend computer says "you are going to deliver milk to the three hundred citizens in western ward 4." "OK" say the troubleshooters. "They need one milk carton each," says Friend Computer. "OK," say the troubleshooters. "Here is the milk," says Friend Computer, handing them one milk carton.
 
8:46 AM
Fifteen minutes later, the troubleshooters are standing at the Western Ward Information Map, which clearly labels the lack of a ward between wards 3 and 5.
 
 
4 hours later…
12:30 PM
Welp, only Trogdor showed up. So we watched another two episodes of Twin Peaks.
 
 
2 hours later…
2:07 PM
@BESW One of them ponders how to complete the requests on the list for soy milk
 
 
7 hours later…
8:54 PM
It makes me so very sad to see that people only discuss Paranoia in my sleep
@BESW Friend Computer, we have delivered milk to everyone in sector WWF in record time! In fact, we did so well, that we even have milk to spare.
It is too bad for the troubleshooters that milk is white.
@doppelgreener Sectors are three letter codes, silly. The Alpha Complex is a big place.
@Polyducks Have you ever seen the table to roll on for Bureaucrats? It's the last page before the char sheet, so I read it by accident (official reason, right here). I really want to fill out paperwork at least once in a game of Paranoia. seriously.
 
 
1 hour later…
10:12 PM
@Smurfton It's almost like there's some sort of conspiracy.
 
10:26 PM
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