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Olivier Grech

00:13

Hi there.

trogdor

hi

BESW

[wave] What's new?

Olivier Grech

I don't usually chat on stackexchange, but i'm mystified by something here

Why do all these "does such a magic item exists" don't have all the same answer which is "just homebrew it"

BESW

Because "Just do it yourself" is not a usefully actionable answer.

Olivier Grech

I don't see why

BESW

00:17

You may find these related meta discussions useful:

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Q: Is homebrew an acceptable answer to a question?

Perhaps it's just the game designer in me, but for many of the questions asked here I almost automatically start thinking of homebrew solutions to whatever problem the asker is having. Would providing a short bit of homebrew rules be an acceptable "answer" to a question? The clearest example is ...

2

Q: Stricter guidance on homebrew answers with no demonstrated evidence of use

I am aware that there are guidelines regarding how to handle answers that suggest homebrew solutions where no evidence of their use has been shown. My understanding is these are generally strongly discouraged, but that there is no clear instruction as to exactly what to do with them. There is a...

discussion questions

Olivier Grech

If the one asking the question came up with a very precise description of the item, it already exists because he just invented it

Ok let me see

BESW

First off, it's a frame challenge: if the question is "do rules for this exist?" then a "make up rules for it" answer needs to first show that the system doesn't have something already.

Second, it's not usefully actionable unless the answer gives insight into how to create such a thing within the defined system's structure and ethos.

"Do it yourself" is technically an answer, but it's not a good answer for the Stack Exchange because it doesn't share any experience or expertise.

Olivier Grech

yeah okay I can see the idea

BESW

So for such an answer to be a good fit for the Stack, it'd have to show that homebrew is necessary to fill a hole in the system, and then offer expertise-based guidance on how to do so.

That would be a great answer, and we have many like it.

If you have further concerns or questions, it'd probably make for a good Role-playing Games Meta question.

Olivier Grech

No I think it's clear, thanks

BESW

00:25

I'm glad you felt like you could ask!

Miniman

Even more specific to this particular issue:

13

Q: When is "Make it up yourself" a good answer?

This question later yielded this question. The first answer to the first question is, essentially, Make it up yourself. The first Comment (now deleted) on the second question was Why not make it up yourself? I feel like Make it up yourself could pretty much be an answer to most questions site-wi...

discussion

BESW

Thanks, I missed that in my quick search.

Miniman

For interest's sake, I found it by searching "make it up" rather than "homebrew".

BESW

I totally forgot that I'd answered that, or I'd've spent more than a minute looking for it.

doppelgreener

00:44

I've added the homebrew tag to the two of these questions that didn't have it.

BESW

Yey!

trogdor

nice

BESW

01:06

An excellent elf portrait.

trogdor

I am not sure I ever saw an elf with that hair style before

it's pretty neat

Adeptus

The hairstyle doesn't look right, to me, for a pseudo-medieval fantasy setting. If it was urban fantasy set in about the 90s, cool.

trogdor

well, I wouldn't say it is appropriate for a medieval setting in a historical sense, no, but if you actually want to play a setting where a hairstyle like that happened in that pseudo-time-period I don't honestly see the problem

it's not like elves actually existed back then either

4

(as far as I understand it at least)

BESW

I think it's nice to see recognition that even in medieval Europe, much less fantasies loosely inspired by a fictional version of it, not everyone had "the good hair."

(A lot of classical Greek and Roman hairstyles don't work with that kind of hair, actually--it needs to be coarse, thick, and at least wavy if not downright curly.)

nitsua60

@OlivierGrech Welcome =)

BESW

01:30

@trogdor Or potatoes, chocolate, corn, or tomatoes. (The implication being that elves are strictly a New World people.)

trogdor

@BESW my point was basically that a hairstyle not existing in a relative time period that you are simulating in some way,... doesn't compare to the fact that you have inserted people, and possibly more than just people, into that setting as well

BESW

Aye.

trogdor

elves are an invention, as are dwarves, and orcs, and halflings, and gnomes and so on

Shalvenay

@BESW yeah, those Europeans didn't know what they were missin' out on man

BESW

Literally they had no clue.

trogdor

01:35

they can. of course, be used to represent particular kinds of people, but once you decided to put them into this timeline, you kinda already decided the timeline as it was isn't exactly what you want

Shalvenay

(I wonder who first served corn on the cob ;)

trogdor

corn is great

in fact, I like all those things,.... other than tomatoes

BESW

@Shalvenay Possibly the Mayans.

Corn's from Mesoamerica, where pretty much everybody ate it, and corn on the cob is pretty much the simplest way to cook corn, so...

Shalvenay

@BESW yeah, wouldn't surprise me

BESW

If anything, the Mayans were late to the party.

nitsua60

01:44

@Shalvenay you mean, "corn"?

trogdor

mmmm corn

XD

nitsua60

03:33

Hmm... TIL Mearls and Crawford are both working on pushing out a new UA every week. Anyone sense a PHB2 coming next year? (Lord, I hope not.)

trogdor

I hate to say it, but I expect it will happen

4e had like, at least 3 that I recall

Miniman

03:49

@nitsua60 I sensed the same thing, but I'm pretty happy about it :P

Adeptus

@nitsua60 I'm just going "Yay, more free content! (maybe I'll get to play this some time...)"

nitsua60

@Miniman Okay, so give me the pitch... why, when I've come nowhere close to playing the interesting combos I see in what's already out there, do I want them working on a PHB2?

Of course...

Jan 5 at 14:25, by BESW

Generally the answer to "Why does this booming industry exist even though I don't care about it?" is "You're not the target demographic."

...so I probably already have my answer.

So let me rephrase the question: who's the demographic for a 5e PHB2?

(Oh, come now. You should go back and star the original so BESW gets their due... and the proper text shows up on the star board.)

Adeptus

@nitsua60 (already did, at the time)

nitsua60

feature-request a star applied to a quote-message redounds to the original message, even if the starrer had already starred the message in the first instance.

=)

trogdor

wait, does it already work that way or are you requesting it to work that way?

nitsua60

04:01

@trogdor I'm certain it doesn't; I think it'd be awesome if it did.

Miniman

@nitsua60 Not to sound obvious, but people who like having more options.

trogdor

@nitsua60 I am kinda surprised that it isn't already a thing

we have a built in quote system but not a way to attribute awesomeness of said quote to the person being quoted

that seems like an oversight

nitsua60

@Miniman Treat me like a wide-eyed sheep with a daisy hanging from its mouth: is it that there was something you were looking for that no PHB material could deliver, or the "collector" urge expressing itself, or that system-mastery-game needs more food?

Something else?

What makes a person look at a dozen classes with ~three subclasses each and say, 'I could use twice that many.'

Miniman

For me, personally, it's a case of "I want more cool stuff!"

For example, I read the Barbarian UA, and I thought "Damn that is cool."

nitsua60

Fair. (I hope that ^^ doesn't come across wrong; I really am interested in what type of fun they're shooting for with a PHB2.)

Miniman

04:12

Yeah, I get it. It's a bit mystifying to me that there are people who don't want new options.

nitsua60

I'm also just coming off the UA:Fighter survey, where I basically gave them the feedback "your new Sharpshooter isn't as good as the sharpshooter I can already make from PHB," so I'm primed-antagonistic toward the idea of more options like that.

(And the tranquil monk UA, which struck me as "whaaa...?")

Miniman

And yeah, I haven't played everything I'm interested in from the PHB yet, let alone SCAG, but I enjoy coming up with new builds, and more options makes that more fun.

@nitsua60 Yeah, they're definitely very hit-and-miss. I love the idea of the Kensai, but their execution is messy in all kinds of ways. And the Tranquil Monk seems like a concept that fundamentally doesn't work in D&D, as well as having problems with its execution.

On the other hand, I loved 2 out of the 3 Barbarian options.

In fairness, the hit and miss phenomenon is by no means restricted to UA, either.

Trickster Clerics would say something at this point, but there aren't any on account of no-one wants to play them.

BESW

05:35

@Miniman 5e has a Vow of Peace equivalent now?

Miniman

05:47

It's this weird healing-focused monk who is theoretically a pacifist but isn't actually and has mechanics that encourage them to start fights and let their allies die rather than healing them.

It's very strange, and more than a little messed up.

BESW

I... feel like I've played alongside that character in D&D 3.5.

He just didn't have any mechanics for the style.

Miniman

Oh, I'm so sorry.

It really is ridiculous, though.

"I could save you, but if I let you die I'll do an extra 20 damage on every attack!"

BESW

Well, points for acknowledging a previously ignored playstyle?

~~@owlrakul~~ @Emrakul [wave]

user61230

06:42

@BESW Whoops, sorry! Hi!

user61230

What's hootin'?

BESW

06:55

@Emrakul Trying to wrap my head around InSpectres.

And laughing at the Impartial Historian Unicorn.

user61230

InSpectres?

BESW

@Emrakul Think... GhostBusters as a reality TV show.

user61230

And, that's incredible.

user61230

Huh! As a TV show, yes, but reality TV show?

user61230

I'd be curious to see how that works!

BESW

07:00

Once per scene, one character can step into the confessional and talk about things which haven't happened yet, or reveal things about another character, or mention something we didn't know yet.

For example, if one character uses the confessional to reveal that another PC is exceptionally flirty, the flirty PC's player writes it on their sheet and gets a bonus toward finishing the mission if they add that to their playing of the character. (If they don't play it out, then it's just the first PC dishing out bad gossip.)

Or you can use the confessional to reveal that you've got some important tool, or that this scene will end badly...

There's also mechanics for using and abusing your company's resources, for bailing on jobs that prove too dangerous or difficult or threaten to bankrupt you...

user61230

Is InSpectres a reality TV show RPG?

user61230

Or... did I miss something?

BESW

Yes--it's about a company that busts ghosts, using mechanics reminiscent of reality TV shows to create comedic moments and encourage player control of the narrative.

user61230

Oh, huh.

user61230

I like that, honestly. Sounds like an interesting system.

BESW

07:12

InSpectres is relatively old--2002, I think--and dedicates a lot of its limited page space to what it's not, which is a little frustrating.

So I'm trying to figure out how to prep for a holiday one-shot where we try to bust the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present, and Future.

(Last year we played Great Ork Gods and attacked Santa Claus.)

user61230

It seems like an oddly specific narrative structure. Like, the game expects you to do a certain set of limited things, and discourages going outside those limits.

BESW

In some ways, it's very structured. Every case follows the format of Getting the Call, Research/Investigation, Suiting Up, Fieldwork, Cleaning Up, and Vacation--though vacillating between Research/Investigation and Fieldwork a few times is expected.

In other ways, it's very unstructured. There's an expectation that you'll take time for scenes of private life and business drama whenever it'd add tension or comedy, for example.

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[Hatmas!](http://meta.rpg.stackexchange.com/q/6615/4398 "The Hattening Approaches. Dec 19");
[Star Trek](http://www.modiphius.com/star-trek.html "Star Trek Adventures RPG 'living playtest' signup");
[UScons](http://casualgamerevolution.com/blog/2016/01/2016-tabletop-gaming-conventions-a-comprehensive-list "List of RPG conventions in the US.");

user61230

07:30

Huh. That's an interesting way of pacing things.

user61230

It seems like a game that's built around trope dependence.

BESW

@Emrakul The first session of a campaign starts with an extra section, the Interview, which is designed to get everyone familiar with each other.

@Emrakul Very much so. It assumes you're at least passingly familiar with reality TV and business politics.

I plan to use this additional chart to help cover my lack of experience in office workplaces.

user61230

Would you say the game is particularly successful at what it does?

BESW

I haven't played it yet, but it's very popular among folks who have.

There's a lot of reading between the lines, though, I think: the rules try hard to explain the game, but they spend too much time on what it's not.

One cool thing it does is, whenever a player describes something their company has, that player gets to roll for it.

So if the guy with only 1 Technology is the first to mention the computer network...

user61230

...that seems like a super odd mechanic.

BESW

07:38

It's a comedy game.

user61230

In that, anyone whose character is not likely to be familiar with an asset is mechanically discouraged from talking about it.

BESW

It's very much a game which discourages that kind of thinking.

trogdor

how does it discourage that kind of thinking exactly?

BESW

High rolls don't mean success and low rolls don't mean failure: high rolls mean you get to describe how things work out well, and low rolls mean the GM gets to describe how things go badly.

user61230

On the other hand, players at least nominally invested in the success of the party would still be discouraged from talking about systems their characters wouldn't be familiar with.

BESW

07:42

There are also resource dice associated with the company, which you can draw on as appropriate.

But a lot of the game's attitude is that low rolls are where the funny comes from.

You can also always "take 4," if you have at least 1 die that you'd normally roll.

> 4: Fair. Describe the mostly positive result of your action but you must also include a negative or humorous effect.

user61230

Huh.

user61230

I'd be curious how the system works in practice.

BESW

Aye.

It's supposedly one of the first "narrative trading is a mechanic" games to get a lot of traction.

user61230

I don't know enough about it to say, honestly!

BESW

Yeah, I've read a good bit about it but am looking forward to playing.

user61230

07:48

I'd be curious to hear about how it goes, once you've played.

BESW

Should be in the next few weeks--being as I've got a Christmas themed idea, I want to run it near Christmas.

It's also very low on prep, which I really value.

user61230

Oh, really? That's unique.

user61230

Does it do a lot of player-based world gen?

BESW

Yeah.

user61230

Makes sense!

BESW

07:51

Pre-game prep is about defining the company. The GM presents a client who has a ghost problem, and then everything is about the players defining useful things like clues with high rolls and the GM throwing in obstacles and complications with low rolls.

The pacing is hinted at with an incremental success mechanic: each job is assigned a score between 5 and 25 franchise dice, and you get 1 or 2 dice when you roll high.

When you've hit the assigned score for the job, you can close the job, so that tells you sort of how fast to pace the story as dice accumulate.

And if things go haywire, you can drop the job and keep half the dice you've accumulated thus far.

Those dice then go into making the company better (or recouping losses; if you spent more company resources than you regain with franchise dice, the company is in danger of bankruptcy).

user61230

Interesting. And I imagine it probably broadly works pretty well.

BESW

In other RPG news, I'm very interested in Cthulhu Confidential as a twosie Gumshoe game.

I'd like to make a more generic Gumshoe hack for twosies.

It seems to be one of the twosies that's more aware of how the added intensity and always-on nature of the format can be intimidating as well as exciting.

I agree with Evil Hat that Gumshoe is a system whose potential power goes largely unexplored by most of its games.

user61230

08:11

Ack, I've gotta go, sorry!

BESW

ttfn

Abraham Ray

08:56

Could a warforged have alchmeyical grafting done as a feat?

Or is there a magical item that allows the same?

BESW

09:41

Oh, wow. Amazon's FreeTime subscription has Phoebe and Her Unicorn.

trogdor

really? that is unexpected

Anaphory

12:29

Hi!

BESW

Yawp.

Anaphory

My browser crashes regularly when I try to catch up with the last two weeks of Phoebe and her Unicorn.

BESW

Oh dear.

Anaphory

I mean, it's a pretty non-standard browser, and it's due to a bug somewhere in Qt that should not be in the bleeding edge version of the browser, which uses some other Qt web drawing engine. But the bleeding edge version hasn't yet got some other features ported. Maybe I should just read it using firefox.

BESW

Maaaybe.

nitsua60

13:36

@Miniman lol

@Miniman the UA (revised) Ranger Deep Stalker has a level 11 feature "once on each of your turns when you miss with an attack you can make another attack." Can you think of anywhere else to get a feature like that? I mean, it doesn't cost a bonus action or reaction or ki point... just "miss? Try again."

BESW

Isn't that basically "once per turn you have advantage on an attack"?

Miniman

13:54

@BESW Not quite - you could have had advantage to begin with.

@nitsua60 Not off the top of my head.

nitsua60

14:06

@Miniman Hmm... seems kinda a big deal. But then again, you have to play 10 levels of Ranger to get it....

DForck42

14:18

mornin

@nitsua60 I'd have to see it in action to determine if it was truly broken

but honestly, it just increases the chances of landing a hit, bumping dps up a bit. I'd have to do math to determine HOW much damage it would increase, but my instincts tell me that it not's THAT much. however, I haven't played a 5e rogue, so...

nitsua60

VtC looking for discussion (I think).

DForck42

@nitsua60 yeah, needs more focus

DForck42

14:42

how does one hide specific tags again?

oops,w rong chat

Miniman

@DForck42 Add them to your ignored tags.

Then, depending on your preferences, they'll either be hidden or just faded.

DForck42

ty

LegendaryDude

@nitsua60 I think the idea is that you're accustomed to fighting in the depths of the Underdark and expect to miss every now and then? I see it as a slightly different take on blindfighting, but it might be made better by requiring low-light or darkness. It's UA, so experimentation is allowed.

nitsua60

15:19

@LegendaryDude I think the idea is that they're really trying to stat Drizzt across three separate subclasses, so that nobody can actually play Drizzt. =)

LegendaryDude

@nitsua60 hah!

DForck42

@nitsua60 lol

LegendaryDude

16:58

My wife was (presumably) doing some Christmas research last night when she asked, "how do you read D&D forums?" I had a pretty good laugh about it.

DForck42

@LegendaryDude heh

LegendaryDude

She told me she couldn't follow a single thread because they tended to just turn into random discussions about things completely unrelated to the original topic

Or they just devolve into bickering.

DForck42

@LegendaryDude so, normal forum etiquette, got it

LegendaryDude

Exactly. I don't know what forums she was reading, but I told her that I don't normally read D&D forums for those reasons.

nitsua60

Oct 22 at 13:41, by nitsua60

Any chance we can make this comment our new site motto: "A bit flabbergasting to find the Roleplaying Stack Exchange is a healthy community full of knowledgeable, considerate people. I hardly expected anyone to read my monsterlith of text."

MrCharles

20:14

Erm...Is there any way to ask a moderator why he did something? I'm incredibly confused about why some comment threads are getting moved to discussion, and have stopped posting comments almost entirely for fear I'm breaking the rules. Sorry to ask here, don't really know my way around site yet.

LegendaryDude

@MrCharles Meta is a great place to ask questions, though that question has likely already been answered. In any case, comment threads are generally moved to chat because comments aren't places to have discussions; they're for improving questions and answers.

Anaphory

In general, here isn't a bad place to ask (the other option is Meta), Mods sometimes come by in chat and otherwise Chatizens are often well-aware of how the site works and might be able to give non-definitive answers.

LegendaryDude

@MrCharles You shouldn't fear, either way, as you aren't breaking the rules by commenting. Mods (and those with rep > 10k) can see questions/answers with a lot of comment activity and will encourage those conversations to be moved to chat. Excessive commenting can detract from the value of the questions/answers and can create a lot of unnecessary noise.

If comment threads get too out of hand or go on for too long, a mod will step in and move them to chat to keep the SNR down.

Anaphory

So, comments are there to be transient. By design they are suggestions for improvement of questions and answers, but sometimes other use is tolerated. This means that in the long run, there's two destinations where they should go: Either they grow old or obsolete and become just plain deleted. Or they are discussions, in which case they are moved to a medium better suited for discussion and designed to be non-transient, i.e. chat.

LegendaryDude

But please, feel free to comment when you feel it will add to a question or answer.

What @Anaphory said.

@MrCharles If you are actually breaking hard site rules (of which there aren't many aside from "Be nice.") or being a nuisance, you will be contacted directly by a mod. You'll know. So don't worry.

Anaphory

20:28

@LegendaryDude For comments I can think of “Don't put answers in comments, it breaks a core mechanism of the site should work”. But otherwise, yeah, it's pretty much Be Nice and remember comments should vanish sooner or later, and you are very much settled.

LegendaryDude

@Anaphory Yes, that is more of a policy than a rule. It's not something you'll get "in trouble" for unless you do it repeatedly or maliciously, if that can that even be done out of malice.

Anaphory

True.

LegendaryDude

@MrCharles Meta is typically the best place to ask questions of the mods because it creates a visible question about site policy that other visitors to the site will be able to see. Chances are someone has asked the question or may want to ask it in the future, and it lets site users weigh in on whether the reason(s) given are good or bad by using the same voting system as the main site. We are a democracy here at RPG.SE and Meta tends to be less objective than the main site.

BESW

By "Meta," these folks mean Role-playing Games Meta for RPG.SE-specific questions, and Meta Stack Exchange for questions about the whole Stack Exchange network.

LegendaryDude

Sorry, yes, was about to link to the meta site.

BESW

20:39

@LegendaryDude [meta.rpg.se] and [meta.se] are quick links.

LegendaryDude

@MrCharles A related Meta post, Why are comments being deleted?, and it will probably answer your initial question about why your comments were moved to chat.

@BESW Ah, good to know.

BESW

I also find it use to re-read the relephant privileges page when I run into something about a feature's use that I'm unsure of.

I kind of want to see rogue one but I'm too busy preparing an immersive fantasyscape for my dungeons and dragons pals

Tweeted by NowWeAreAllTom on December 16, 2016 at 4:12 PM

nitsua60

21:15

@MrCharles There's another way that comments get moved to chat... or at least appear to: if two users have been commenting back-and-forth after a certain number they will no longer be able to click on "add a comment" but instead are prompted "comments are not for extended discussion, would you like to move this conversation to chat?"

BESW

That's not what happened, but it's a good example of a reason chats do get moved by mods.

nitsua60

Here's an example of what the auto-chat looks like.

DForck42

22:17

anyone alive in here?

BESW

Only just.

DForck42

@BESW oh hai

Baskakov_Dmitriy

22:46

46

Q: What dice mechanic gives a bell curve distribution that narrows and increases mean as skill increases?

I'm looking for a dice mechanic that produces a bell curve at all skill levels. I also want it to increase accuracy and precision as a character's skill increases — this basically means better average and smaller standard deviation. The simpler the system is, the better, of course. Skill + 2d6 ...

game-design dice statistics

I plan to research something like "(2*Skill)*D10, count 6+, drop (Skill) lowest

To decrease standard deviation

Would you think it's worth it?

DForck42

@Baskakov_Dmitriy so, you get to take your skill, multiply it by 2, multiply that by a d10, then... what? don't quite understand that last bit

Baskakov_Dmitriy

You have 8 in your skill. You roll 16 D10 and, say, keep 8 highest results.

DForck42

@Baskakov_Dmitriy that's a lot of dice

Baskakov_Dmitriy

But it seems to be the accepted answer, which I could only understand a few moments ago, so nvm.

@DForck42 Vampire: The Masquerade may make you roll 24 D10. :3

That's probably not the maximum

DForck42

@Baskakov_Dmitriy nooooope

I would NOT want to do that...

Baskakov_Dmitriy

22:52

Up to around 40 is theoretically possible

Though, real playable characters normally roll around 3-5, up to 10, not more.

LegendaryDude

I remember many times rolling many many dice in VtM. With high skill in firearms and a 5 in Dexterity, and using an automatic weapon, you can easily get up there.

Baskakov_Dmitriy

You don't even need 5 in Dexterity

Just buff it with blood, and here you are

DForck42

...

LegendaryDude

Yeah, that's true

DForck42

I've seen players struggle just adding a d20 to their stat mod...

LegendaryDude

22:55

Same.

Baskakov_Dmitriy

That's actually easier than it seems to be

DForck42

that... doesn't sound like fun, tbh

Baskakov_Dmitriy

You don't add all 40 dice

Like 5+4+4+10...

LegendaryDude

Yeah, you just count instances of 6+

DForck42

at least requiem just stuck to a d10 + skills

Baskakov_Dmitriy

22:55

You count how many of them are, for example, 6+, and how many are 1

Deduce the amount of the latter from the former

And if it's positive, you succeed.

Again, real playable characters rarely have really high dicepools.

And most of my friends who play VtM don't like Requiem

For reasons. One of them is too simple system.

LegendaryDude

cWoD 4 lyfe

Baskakov_Dmitriy

V20 or Revised? :3

LegendaryDude

Revised for many years, my friend has the V20 book but we have yet to get together a game

We've been on 5e for the past year and having a blast

Baskakov_Dmitriy

I find V20 way bettwer.

LegendaryDude

D&D 5e that is

Baskakov_Dmitriy

22:58

Yes?

LegendaryDude

I haven't had a chance to really dig in to the book but from what I've seen yeah, they did a great job plugging all the holes and fixing some of the really broken stuff

Baskakov_Dmitriy

There are still huge holes

7

Q: How do automatic successes in Old World Of Darkness deal with fails and botches?

Let's say, I have the discipline of Potence on level 3. I have 3 automatic successes (I either spent blood or have them by default, depending on the edition). I roll Strength 4 against the difficulty of 6. Then... 1) I roll 1, 1, 1, 5, a botch. Does it count as a botch even though I have automa...

world-of-darkness vampire-the-masquerade

(Spoiler: no answer in the book)

LegendaryDude

Well okay, so not everything has been fixed? It's a pretty rules-light system anyway :P

Baskakov_Dmitriy

Aye

And that means Potence can either be a game breaker (can't botch/fail a damage roll) or a pretty weak thing (Dexterity/Celerity adds more on average)

So can Projectile

LegendaryDude

I did like the modernization of the rules the way skills were changed/rearranged

Looking forward to V4

nitsua60

23:43

@Baskakov_Dmitriy Accepted answer is keep CONSTANT, not keep SKILL.

BESW

On the subject of complex pool analysis, I think Danger Patrol deserves a mention. For each die, check over/under 4 UNLESS it's a d8 AND check max possible result, in pools that can easily exceed a dozen dice in late-game.

And of course 13th Age asks to track a wide number of variables on a single d20, like even/odd, 2 or not, over/under 6/11/16/19/20, and other things, some of which change depending on whether it's also a hit or a miss or the value of the escalation die.

Larry, the Christmas Tentacle.

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