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12:03 AM
Also at one point this happened.
 
@BESW I love this.
 
XD
and I have to go now too,.. just when things were getting good
 
This is why I get bored with 3.5/PF's focus on humans. :P
 
I still want decent shulassakar art.
 
Hmm, yes. I can hardly even find fanart.
 
12:12 AM
I can't even find much coatl fursona art, which I'd have expected to be a more fruitful arena for that kind of visual.
But here, have an ombat.
 
@BESW Heh. Your coffee stack avatar comes up in like the 13th row of results for a Google image search of shulassakar.
I always find it disheartening when I am searching for a thing and there is so little that myself mentioning the thing is prominently displayed in the results.
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@BESW It is at peace with its giant walrus bat fangs.
 
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Q: The evasive shulassakar: origin and resources

BESWThe shulassakar crop up in Eberron materials for both 3.5 and 4e, and they have a brief uncited mention in the Wikipedia article on yuan-ti. However, the rainbow serpent folk never seem to get much attention: that Dragonshards article I link above has the most information in one place that I've e...

 
Alas.
 
12:32 AM
I'm trying to recall now what it's happened to me with. It's definitely happened.
 
That sea witch illustration, maybe?
 
Nope, wasn't that one! It was actually something RP-related as well, I think. Landed on one of my old RP blogs.
 
12:47 AM
I was interested to see if it did happen with the sea witch, and amusingly enough, I think I found someone else looking for the same book, and getting the same answer that we eventually found.
In fact, this is creepily similar to the point that I was like, "This wasn't me, right? Nope, that's not me."
> They generally had grey/green tones and I believe they were pretty detailed. I specifically remember a picture of the sea witch sitting on a throne made of skulls, which I'm fairly certain was also the book's cover.
 
Doppelpixie?
 
I seem to have enough of those.
Have I mentioned how I am very frequently told that I look exactly like someone that someone knows? I can't recall. That... is definitely a thing, though. xD
 
...my Twitter feed has mentioned #investifarted only once. I'm not sure if I should be proud, saddened, or both.
 
Truly a perplexing emotion.
Searching archives, hmm, I'm not sure that I have! So, people are always telling me that I look exactly like someone they know. My friends, my mother, my sister, coworkers, random people I meet in public.
 
(Personally, I think "investifart" should mean "a poor daytrading decision.")
@Pixie I actually did have a doppelganger in college.
 
1:03 AM
Haha.
 
On Guam, I'm just subject to "white guys don't stick around long enough to put them in long-term memory."
 
Once I walked up to a drugstore counter and the clerk stared at me briefly, and partway through the transaction, he said, "This is going to sound strange, but you look exactly like my girlfriend. I mean, exactly. This is so weird. I mean, not weird, but..." And this wasn't some weird attempt at hitting on me, either. He was amazed.
 
Clearly you need to get a buzzcut and a facial tattoo.
 
This will probably only result in people telling me they know someone with the same exact buzzcut and facial tattoo.
 
...probably.
 
1:06 AM
My boyfriend hypothesizes that I'm a secret government project.
 
What, Orphan Black style?
 
I haven't seen that, but looking up a summary, probably!
 
I watched it recently, and recommend it highly.
 
I've considered picking it up.
 
 
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2:24 AM
More people should go here, so I can have more Tokaido opponents. :P
 
I'm not much of a board game person.
It's a little strange since I love strategy and tactical video games and things like that, but only rarely do I play board games, even ones with similar principles.
 
3:24 AM
I have a magic: the gathering deck I've been making for my group's games of Commander.
It's perfect and has everything in it I want in roughly decent levels of composition
........ except it's also 124 cards, which means I need to cut 24. T_T
 
@doppelgreener Oh nooooo. That is the worst.
It's been a while since I did anything with TCGs. I've been meaning to start one of those myriad apps or online games since I have no one to play with IRL.
 
@Pixie HEX looks interesting
 
@Magician I'll have to check it out!
 
...dammit, now I'm downloading it too.
 
Heh.
I remember I spent more time playing the trading card mini game in Digimon World 3 than the rest of the game, which was a lot of time. Maybe I shouldn't. >_>
 
3:49 AM
@Pixie For me it's dangerous because it's a "small" game which doesn't require time commitment like a "proper" one. I could play it for just half an hour... but I'll end up playing for 3.
 
I can see how that would be dangerous.
 
So right now I'm not letting myself start it until I finish at least most of the next chapter of the thing I'm writing...
 
For me, it... doesn't matter what it is. I have no illusions as to the time I'll spend on a diversion, which is "far too much," usually. xD
@Magician A worthy goal!
 
...I didn't know what I was missing until I introduced a demon into the mix. Writing villains is just more fun. Must be all the years of GMing. Plus the demon gets to be funny.
 
I know that feeling... I've had villains just up and hijack plots before.
"No, sorry, I get an arc now, and I'm also throwing a wrench into your plans for that character, and I'm taking this one with me."
But my characters have a history of surprising and disobeying me in general. After a certain point, I learned to expect and prepare for this.
 
4:05 AM
@Pixie I haven't really had a character go off the rails yet. But I start with a rough idea of where I want things to go, and then let the characters get there, often discovering diversions along the way.
 
4:18 AM
@Magician I think I was 12 or 13 the first time it happened. I had a whole lot of plans mapped out and then it just...
I thought I might have an appropriate reaction image, but I think I have nothing more than flail Kermit to sum up my confusion.
 
yeah, my problem is that I tend to either be overcontrolling or trying to push things too hard
(or both)
 
@Pixie Back!
 
Hey.
 
Just got back from hanging with my friend
 
Cool. :) Hope you had a good time.
 
4:29 AM
Yeah was pretty fun
We watched best of the worst and ate lasagna
 
@Shalvenay In my case, part of it (especially with that particular universe) was that there were things about myself I didn't realize yet which were being expressed through my writing. But, in general, I learned not to get too attached to one vision of events. :P
 
Yo~
... huh, normally I don't have that key in that position, so I don't make that typo.
 
I wouldn't have even realized it was a typo. xD
 
@Pixie ...is this a sign that you've spent some of your formative Internet years on Livejournal and/or MSN IM?
 
@BESW Both!
 
4:35 AM
@Pixie -- I think what happens with my RP is I tend to backsolve -- instead of trying to go forward from a certain point, I start with a specific end vision in mind and try to figure out what leads there
 
that is an interesting way to do it
 
@Shalvenay I was just watching this discussion of why Chuck Jones' cartoons are successful which may have some useful starting concepts for you.
 
@Shalvenay Ah, yeah. RP tends to introduce too many variables for that.
 
I usually start with what I want my character to be now, and what got said character to that point
then I just try to roleplay that character according to the things that happen
and let character growth/change happen organically if possible
 
Specifically,
a) characters have clearly-defined wants;
b) character actions rise from their motives rather than from logic; and
c) direct observation of real-world phenomena (including people) is superior to observing through the filter of other media.
(Consequences for actions rise from the logic of the context in which they're taken, but the actions themselves derive from desire rather than from reason.)
 
4:43 AM
I love chuck jones
His misdirection is legendary
 
@Sandwich The video addresses that also, and why it doesn't get old.
 
It is strange to look at Roadrunner, specifically, and see that
because it does have an obvious outcome
wile e coyote is not gonna catch him, it's basically that simple
and yet, it was still done in such a way
 
The "A-ha!" moment
Clever
 
@BESW This is a pretty good piece!
 
@Pixie I like that guy's work.
 
4:52 AM
@BESW -- a-ha -- my problem is that I tend to base character behavior on reason, because otherwise I find myself driving the character's cause far too hard. it also doesn't help that the people I observe IRL are very different to what is expected from RP chars
 
Yeah. Cartoon characters (and a lot of movie characters) can get away with less complicated wants than RP-intense RPG characters.
 
@BESW I really recognize his voice, but I'm not sure I've seen anything on his channel. Does he do film stuff outside it?
His general style, too. I know I've encountered him before.
 
And.... yeah, part of the issue may be a certain amount of your other players' observing behaviour either of different groups of people, or through only certain media filters.
@Pixie Not sure. Kyle Kallgren links him from time to time, that's how I know him.
 
I'll have to search around a bit. I'm curious now.
 
[pokes around]
IMDb isn't a great help.
 
4:56 AM
@BESW Heh, I was just loading that up...
 
Great minds think alike, and fools' thoughts differ little.
 
Maybe I have watched one of his other videos and simply forgotten which. It's the voice and style that really stick out to me.
Or I could be thinking of someone else entirely. It is a mystery!
 
[wiggles fingers enigmatically]
 
Either way, it is very good work and I'll have to get through the rest of them sometime. It's been a while since I've indulged my inner film student.
 
@BESW -- I suspect it's different groups of people -- drama princes/princesses don't mix with 143ton freight cars
 
5:25 AM
Watching the one on Kon's editing makes me sad... one of my favorite film makers. Sigh, sigh.
 
5:46 AM
Whoo boy
That was some great lasagna though
Are you a fan of Italian food Pixie
 
@Sandwich Not in particular, but it's pretty good.
 
What type of food do you like the best
 
French and Japanese thus far, but I'll try just about anything.
 
Oh man
Japanese food is so amazing
I love Karaage, Tonkatsu, and Gyudon
 
I'm still trying to master Japanese cakes. =w= I like baking and dessert making best of all.
Oh tonkatsu is so good.
 
5:58 AM
Ahhhh that Pork is dreams
DREAMS
I'm also a big fan of Yakiniku
I don't like anything with Veggies in it
So I get Gyudon with no onions
 
Yakiniku I haven't had.
I looove vegetables, haha.
 
Bleh Veggies
I'm no rabbit
 
I could be vegan with almost no issues, except that whipped cream exists... [stares into the distance]
 
I'll eat Grains, meat, cheese, potatoes, but I will not eat any leafy green veggies
I have some Cool whip in my fridge
We were putting it on jello
 
I like veggies, but not all of them
most leafy greens are good though
 
6:02 AM
I like Potatoes and Tomatoes
 
Cool Whip has some stuff I don't eat in it. I like home-made whipped cream.
 
I mostly just hate like, peas
 
I can make homemade whipped cream too
 
Ugh, so do I, at least cooked shelled peas. Snowpeas and such are pretty good.
 
Cool Whip has a nice flavor though
 
6:03 AM
I can't eat tomatoes, I hate them
 
Same here. I have a much higher tolerance for raw tomatoes than I used to, but..
 
I think the main issue is that no tomatoes get here very fresh, for starters
 
The fresher and better a raw tomato is, the less I want to eat it...
 
as I understand it, they may be significantly better other places where they are indeed fresh
 
Because a real tomato is a flavorful tomato. A hothouse tomato has little flavor. :P
My dad grows 'em in the garden. THEY ARE TOO TOMATO.
 
6:05 AM
I have never had a fresh one
soooo
all I can say is that I have never met one I liked
 
That might be worth giving a shot if you can, then. But in my case...
 
I only eat tomatoes in Lasagna and Ketchup
 
I don't find them too bad in either of those, to be fair
I will eat like, tomato sauce
but the actual thing itself kinda still disgusts me
 
Oh I wont touch raw vegetables of any kind
Cooked potatoes or things that contain Tomato or garlic are about as far as I go
 
I love onions and lettuce in anything people will put them on
carrots and corn are always good regardless
celery, well, I will still eat that as long as there is something mild to dip it in
nothing wrong with it but it is kinda bland by itself
 
6:11 AM
I'll eat almost any kind of vegetable as long as it's not overcooked.
 
I can't currently think of any other than peas that I just won't eat at all
 
I won't eat anything like spinach or collard greens if they're cooked. I love raw spinach on sandwiches and in salads, though.
 
I used to hate mushrooms, whatever category you would put them in.
but I eat mushrooms now
 
Well, spinach is good on pizza if cooked.
Mushrooms! Those I can't do.
 
I used to just hate the way they looked
and the texture
ugh, I can still remember how much they used to put me off
 
6:13 AM
We keep accidentally getting this one type of frozen meal that is full of mushrooms, and I don't realize it until I get to work and have heated it up. Even if I take them out, the whole thing tastes like them... it's terrible. xD
 
but now they don't bother me anymore
@Pixie interesting
 
I don't like the taste or the texture.
 
I wouldn't say they are my favorite food, by any means
 
Mushrooms are good with steak
 
but I at least tolerate them real well now
 
6:14 AM
When you cook them with steak they kind of taste like steak
 
As a flavoring agent, they're okay in small amounts. But if it has an actual mushroom in it and the dish has strongly taken on its flavor, I am in trouble, even if I can avoid the mushroom itself.
If the mushroom doesn't color the dish too much though, I can just eat around them. It depends on how it was prepared.
 
when I didn't like them, the flavor was the last thing I worried about
 
I understand about the texture, though... it's so... rubbery...
 
it was all texture and the funny way they look
if something took any flavor from them I didn't worry about it even then
 
I think toadstools are pretty cute-looking, but you definitely shouldn't be eating those. :P
Well, it's a general word for mushroom, but most people associate amanita with it I think (at least I do).
 
6:21 AM
I pretty much only eat one kind of mushroom anyway
I don't even know what it is called, but if it had any ,ahem, strange properties, I would most likely know by now XD
 
6:44 AM
@trogdor Hopefully. :P
 
@trogdor Any idea yet when you'll be heading over?
 
yeah
I think I will head out at 5
I guess no one else is showing up, except possibly our one online component
 
This is probably the only episode of Bob's Burgers I've ever enjoyed
 
I haven't seen a lot of Bob's Burgers, but I find it pretty funny. There aren't a lot of cartoons in that general category that I can tolerate at all.
 
The episode I just watched
Had a Parody of "Pink Elephants on Parade"
With butts
Animal butts
It was a theme in that episode
 
6:57 AM
Oh, that episode.
 
@BESW ok, on my way over
 
@Pixie When's the next maid / RFS Game?
 
@Sandwich That I'm not sure about yet. I have Exalted after work tomorrow probably. Likely next week sometime, but I'll need to wait to say when because I know my schedule is changing.
One of my coworkers broke her arm and will be out for a long time, so I'm picking up a couple more shifts a week. P:
 
Oh noooo
I hope shes alright
 
She's going to need surgery, unfortunately. She has family helping out though, so otherwise she's fine.
But we were understaffed as it was, so things have been iiinteresting.
 
7:08 AM
Oh man she must have really shattered that bone
 
Yeah, it shattered. P:
Speaking of work, time for me to pass out. =w= Seeya.
 
7:40 AM
Pun time
I'll start us off
Moulin Scrooge
 
7:51 AM
Hmm
I want to make a bard named Philosophoclese now
 
 
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10:28 AM
@DuckTapeAl any particular questions/concerns/issues you have?
SW can be deadly, but really doesn't have to be. I've been running a Deadlands game for a year or so now with a group of 5 PCs and have only had 2 deaths
 
 
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2:28 PM
@BESW, you there?
 
Hmm?
 
I could use your brain for a few seconds. If you are not using it.
There is this thing that I want to ask.
And this thing I want to go deeper into.
But I don't even know what to call it or how to phrase it.
I thought you are the most mechanic savvy person around, you would be the best person to tell me if it is really "a thing" or if I am going into uncharted territory..
it kinda reminded me of that thing you blogged about, Goblin dice.
You know in RPGs, when sometimes the roll of the dice is something that determines whether a thing happen, or a thing not happen?
The thing that Fate and * World games try to mitigate with "you do the thing, but..." scenarios?
Do you know if there is a name for this phenomena?
The not happening of stuff?
 
"Pass/fail" is a phrase often used to describe that kind of roll.
Is "failure" or "failed roll" or "failed action" the term you're looking for?
 
I don't think so.
I think I mean more in terms of what this mechanic does to the narrative.
You know how stuff is always happening, for example in combat, and then suddenly stuff "not happens"?
It creates this kind of narrative vacuum.
Where the story suddenly stops moving along.
Now that I think about it, narrative vacuum is a great term, but I am sure it already refers to something different.
 
2:39 PM
No.
Great name.
But no.
 
Anticlimactic?
 
Kinda, yeah.
But there should be a name for it.
For example.
Say I am trying to hit someone with my sword.
In some games, I might try to hit them, and I might fail.
Suddenly, I swung my sword and missed.
That is ok.
But then, say a mage is trying to cast a spell.
If he misses, often in games he will not miss his magic missiles.
He will not cast them.
So, a roll is the difference between something happening, and something "not" happening.
It kinda jilts the story.
Mostly because the stories we tell are about things that happen and not things that not happen.
So it seems like there is a break in the flow of things happening.
Like a speedbump.
Just way less exciting.
 
The only thing I've gotten is narrative redirection
 
What do you mean?
 
Honestly, it's from my memory, and I can't find what the heck I was reading at the time. If it was even online.
In summary, the characters do a thing, they roll the dice, and end up having to do a different thing. Is that what you mean?
Or is that the same thing as goblin dice?
 
2:46 PM
No, it is not goblin dice.
And it is kinda that.
But the thing is, combat in most RPGs is turn based.
So it is not as much as:"Hey, you failed, try doing something else."
It is more like:"You failed, so this turn, your character does nothing."
It is as if suddenly your mage got really really interested in the decor of this ancient tomb.
Or the biology of those elder eldritch tentacles.
But, you know, without filling the gaps with such interesting comic relief.
 
Ahhh
So specifically the absence of narrative to explain why?
 
Yeah.
Kinda.
 
Yeah, that wouldn't be it then. Sorry :(
I was thinking about how board games have that too
 
But even if that is not exactly what I want, that could certainly give me clues of where to find it exactly.
 
But my example explains what your characters do
 
2:50 PM
And give me a better vocabulary to describe it.
 
3:02 PM
@BESW This is your blog, right?
 
@Althis Heh, no, it's @Magician's.
 
Hm...
I wonder if he would be bothered if I borrowed the term.
I am thinking of writing something about this "narrative vacuum".
He seemed to touch the surface of the phenomena a lot during that post, but never went straight into it.
 
Good afternoon!
 
Good morning!
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Good evening!
bwahahahahaha
 
3:15 PM
rings a bell?
 
@Codeacula It kinda works as well. Good night is mostly used as a farewell regardless.
@Anaphory That is called going full circle, sir.
 
 
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5:25 PM
@doppelgreener does Points of Light treat deities any differently than FR or Greyhawk?
 
user20683
I brought up Eberron solely because it treats them differently
 
9:10 PM
Aw dang it
That author of that question changed my answer to the selected answer
Now I can't get Populist from it
I suppose I gotta hope it gets to 100 votes for Great Answer then
 
9:37 PM
Pyrrhic upvote?
 
My Exalted GM made us a cheatsheet oh my goodness I love this man. I can't... into... White Wolf...
 
9:57 PM
NWOD?
 
10:18 PM
@Sandwich Exalted, but I don't do well with NWOD either. I highly respect his ability to grasp these systems because thus far I cannot. xD
 
@Pixie Can I see the cheatsheet?
It sounds like a work that could bring tears to the eyes of angels.
Assuming they are into RPGs.
Which they probably are.
The whole heavenly war always seemed like an RPG to me.
And the chism afterwards? Disagreement with the GM.
 
@Althis I doubt it's broadly useful as it's tailored to our characters, but I know there are more general ones out there.
I mean, they tend to be like, 15 pages long. But they exist.
 
@Pixie Sothe fact that he had the work to personalize each one to the most useful points for each of you, is what really impressed you?
 
@Althis It's more that he understands the system at all. xD I'm trying pretty hard to learn it, but for some reason, I just can't get there, and we tend to have large gaps between sessions, so everything I manage to figure out I forget again. I sincerely appreciate his doing so, though.
 
Is it harder than Burning Wheel?
 
10:33 PM
Haven't tried that one.
 
10:45 PM
@Wibbs So, one of my group is a melee fighter. He's got a d12 Fighting, d8 Strength, Brawler, and Martial Artist. The other characters regularly cast a +2 Parry spell and a +2 damage spell on him before fights.
He ends up with a Parry of 10 and a damage roll of d8+d4+d6(take the two highest)+4.
So everything he punches crumples up like paper.
Any anything that's statted to handle him can pretty much instantly destroy any of the other party members.
Also, I've run into a circumstance where a lucky shot from a crossbow hit this guy and immediately did 2 wounds in the first round of combat, which seemed like a lot.
Also, it seems like the system might be mechanically weighted towards having character be super-specialized, rather than being more broad?
Like, having a d4 in a skill seems like it's going from a 27% success rate to a 62% success rate, but 62% just isn't high enough for anything important. And adding an extra point to a skill you already have reduces your failure rate by a significant amount each time.
 
11:19 PM
so...want to hear the strange idea I had about how to kill a dragon? :p
 
11:34 PM
Circle-strafing?
 
@Althis -- no. create a horizontal vortex adjacent to a downdraft in the dragon's flight path
with a big enough vortex + downdraft combo -- dragon flies in, gets tipped up on a wingtip by the vortex encounter (basically, its artificial wake turbulence :P) and then slammed down groundward by the downdraft while still tipped on its side
 
I am pretty sure making him fall will not be as deadly to him as to the people standing on the ground.
 
well, you'd of course want to make sure that you weren't dropping a dragon on anyone's head :P
 
If you're doing this in 3.5, the dragon will barely care. Average damage from a maximum-height fall is 70 points.
 
yeah, I suspect the D&D falling mechanics don't deal with the scenario in question very well at all :P
 
11:53 PM
Dragons are hardy.
 

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