TRPG General Chat - 2014-07-03 (page 1 of 3)

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12:51 AM

BESW has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Added the WotC D&D feed to our ticker.

I'm going to wait for GnomeStew's votes to settle from the new voting activity--it's been contentious in the past and I got tired of adding and removing it every couple days. Last time it resolved as "not in the ticker."

5 hours later…

5:58 AM

@Quentin Hi!

Good morning everyone

[wave]

Greetings!

Hola.

@Metool Won't matter soon. I'll post the question as soon as Basic drops, which is hopefully in a few hours. I've edited it to address suggestions, btw. It'll stay that way unless there's more elaboration required.

6:13 AM

Ah, righto.

Oh dear, the D&D feed, by the way.

Though I suspect it's got a bit of a written-by-committee syndrome, with everyone's favorite turns of phrases and specific takes on it put in.

It's spammed with "Morningstar"

wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/news/morningstar

@Metool Yeah, I got excited for a moment, though they've opened it up.

All of them.

@Magician Frankenquestion.

6:19 AM

If anyone thinks I should remove the D&D feed, just let me know and we'll put it up for a star-based poll. Four stars and it's gone until it can calm down.

@BESW Eh, RSS feeds go spastic occasionally, I wouldn't bother.

6:54 AM

I cant see the feed, what's new?

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7:12 AM

This is a fun little geometrical game.

Oh yes, that one. Last Friday my primary social IRC channel was full of the less-employed-than-me people discussing the game!

7:54 AM

Yay I have a custom 404 page :P dungeonsampdragons.com/bounded-advantage/sample-page/…

8:16 AM

> You do not have permission to preview drafts.

Custom-y. :)

blarg! dungeonsampdragons.com/bounded-advantage/sample-page

Btw, do you know how to contact the coordinator of ICON TLV? I tried sending an email but got no response.

Sure. What about?

The RPG content coordinator?

Filling out a form to get Convention modules from Wotc

now I have to find the link...

wizards.com/dnd/Event.aspx?x=dnd/4new/event/conventions

8:43 AM

(I haven't forgotten you, I'm waiting on someone to give me the guy's contact information)

8:53 AM

Thanks

9:16 AM

The form is on this page:
https://accounts.wizards.com/amlogin.aspx?p_next_page=ask%2fp%2f1669%2c1673%2c1986

is the WOTC Feed broken? Cause the RSS on my site isn't spamming Morningstar

Or maybe it is and I have some cool filters working... hmm

9:41 AM

@Magician do you know how many levels are there?

20

I got stuck on 3 though :(

no, more than 20

I'm on 25th atm

and really want to go to bed =)

lol

darn lying websites

25th was the last as of today

now off to bed

the site says "in active development" and all

so may be yesterday it was 20, today 25 and tomorrow 100 or something

but they will run out of solvable puzzles way before that

9:59 AM

Level 87: here's a circle. Create the smallest possible square so the circle is completely inside it.

Using only a compass and a straightedge, naturally.

No wait, that one's solvable

Instead given a circle, try creating a square with the equal area with only a compass and a straightedge!

10:23 AM

@GMNoob Have you tried marketing@iconfestival.org.il?

No, I tried the RPG specific one

Try this one, I'm told there's someone listening on the other end.

email sent

Morningstar. Morningstar morningstar. Morningstar.

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It's wierd that my feed doesn't get spammed.. but the link might be different.
http://www.dungeonsampdragons.com/bounded-advantage/dd-5e-news/

10:31 AM

@GMNoob maybe wordpress's rss parser is smarter than SE's?

sadly nothing doing on the morningstar site

@waxeagle Maybe, but the link in the Meta question is different than mine.

wizards.com/rss.asp?x=dnd

speaking of which @GMNoob are they in your rss reed?

@GMNoob yeah it is. We're using wizards.com/dnd/Globals/Services/ArticleFeed.aspx

Ah good idea I'll try to find a morningstar feed

Morningstar.

I think it's a parser error. The RSS feed itself only contains one entry for Morningstar.

Let's see if its guid changes the next time it pops up.

11:14 AM

If there's a different feed link I should put in, just ping me with it.

Morningstar popped up again, but the RSS feed is identical. I seems the bug is in SE's RSS parser.

11:46 AM

@BESW
wizards.com/rss.asp?x=dnd

11:58 AM

Morning

12:13 PM

Hello

Everyone seems to be pumped about DnD 5e.

@GMNoob Their site still runs on classic ASP? Ouch.

@kviiri yeah, it's probably the biggest RPG release in this site's life

Pumped like a morningstar

WOTC has the worst IT ever, their forums are craptastic, and all their tech is paid for by Microsoft, but not the latest stuff it seems

I think it's caused they are based in Seattle

My interest in 5e extends little further than the hope that their organised play will be reinvigorated and bring some new people into the hobby :) The rules themselves, from an admittedly shallow examination of what has been published so far, sound like a refinement of what we already have with nothing really groundbreaking. (Feel free to correct me on that!).

Since the core rules are being released for free, I'll probably check them out, but I'm more interested in Exalted 3 and playing some more DramaSystem.

Also why they used Silverlight I assume

12:21 PM

I think they used Silverlight because the desktop version was already written using Windows APIs so it was the easiest way to port the existing code to the web.

@GMNoob The internets have failed me in finding an image of a pump-action shotgun/morningstar hybrid.

The rules are groundbreaking, in their simplicity and "obviousness" in hindsight

@Quentin All their tech is Microsoft tech.

Joshua Aslan Smith

12:43 PM

good morning

morning.

Figure the earliest we'll see anything is probably what...noon EDT?

I think the earliest will be in 3 hours

Can someone click around DungeonsAmpDragons.com/bounded-advantage/ ?

I want to see if google analytics are working

Oh, someone who isn't Joshua or Wax :P

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeawh or noon PST

@GMNoob if things go as planned tonight, i should have some time to work up an article (probably advantage/disadvantage). I'll post it as a draft and let you look at it and decide when/if to publish

@waxeagle awesome

any ideas of what I should do with dungeonsampdragons.com or when I should have it redirect to the WP page?

Joshua Aslan Smith

12:49 PM

Im still working on a draft of a short post of hey, this is what this blog is gonna be about

@JoshuaAslanSmith The sooner you post it, the sooner I can link to it on the Meta question so it can get 4 votes :P

btw, do you like the new header and news page font?

Joshua Aslan Smith

man Aldath Le'Carde needs to read through our FAQs

let me go take a look

Hillarious! enworld.org/forum/…

@GMNoob that's useful :)

Joshua Aslan Smith

haha

SOMETIME!

1:01 PM

I'm hoping its the early part of sometime so I can read it while I'm at work still instead of waiting til after dinner/kids and wife are in bed

Are we allowed to steal Q&As?

community.wizards.com/forums/132296

I love the question, "where are the rules to ask questions about?"

Joshua Aslan Smith

@GMNoob short and sweet check it

That's great!

However, add in Wax eagle

He is going to write an article about (dis)advantage

Joshua Aslan Smith

wasnt sure who was posting

I will add him in

and hopfully also put his g+ games on there

I should probabbly add in my game summaries as well

I need to figure out how to make a page to host game recaps/vids etc.

Joshua Aslan Smith

1:12 PM

updated

Calling the section "games" doesn't sound right, and "Game recap/podcasts" sounds clunky.. ideas?

Joshua Aslan Smith

hmmm

Thinking of something genre/setting appropriate

Sagas?

Bard tales

something like that

@GMNoob Heroes of Yore should be our prebuilt section :)

Joshua Aslan Smith

@waxeagle I second the motion

(if'n we have one :))

but I mean the next two weeks, all we have to work with is character creation so...guessing a lot of character building is going to go on)

1:17 PM

@waxeagle Not quite... we have 100 pages of crap

Joshua Aslan Smith

haha yeah

@GMNoob betcha 40 is spells

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah lot and lots of spells

and monster stat blocks

Each class should be like 2 pages

yep

maybe 4 for the wizzy/cleric

Joshua Aslan Smith

yep

which I like

barbarian was a lot of fun for my wife last night

1:18 PM

yeah, 4e had about 15 pgs/class which was insane, but most of that was powers

Joshua Aslan Smith

though she didnt get to use her abilities since fought a pit fiend and then a bunch of wizards that rolled terrible initiative

Heroes of Yore will start with the Starter Set chars

Joshua Aslan Smith

good

I can do some high rez, OCR scans when I get mine

ah

Just need to find the pics that are online

Joshua Aslan Smith

wait

ehhhhhh

I dont know if legally we can share those

since they are a paid product

1:20 PM

yeah

Joshua Aslan Smith

sharing the pre-gens is actively undermining wizards business

be perfect pre-text for a lawsuit

We can't share the links to twitter or facebook where they uploaded the pic?

@GMNoob We can do that

brb, if someone wants to post the links here to save me time that would be awesome :P

can't twitter from here :(

1:24 PM

what about the enworld pics

?

@GMNoob We could link the Enworld posts?

@JoshuaAslanSmith That sounds wrong :p

my goodness, why are these so hard to find?

gonna go do some training, be back in a bit when I need a break

Joshua Aslan Smith

nice

1:43 PM

Got distracted by heroes of yore

Adventures?

What do you call a guy with no body and no nose

@Aaron his name?

@waxeagle Nobody knows

It's a little funnier if said aloud.

During our last session, I had my party ambushed by a band of orcs. In other words, an orchestra.

Ohhh I like that hehehe

The other day I held the door open for a clown. I thought it was a nice jester.

1:52 PM

Hehe, nice!

I love puns.

@kviiri very nice

There needs to be a pun.SE

Me too, but most of the ones I've made up are in Finnish. I dare say they're really crafty though!

I would be in that chat every day.

Some of a puns humor is lost when only reading it. How a person says a pun is half of the pun.

Joshua Aslan Smith

1:53 PM

eh puns are too culturally dependent

@Aaron That's true.

Am I missing something or is this not very funny? Police were called to a daycare where a three-year-old was resisting a rest.

wait. Nevermind.

Facepalm

By the way, have you heard of the new thriller series by David Lynch, about Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden? It's called Twin Leaks.

hehehe

He drove his expensive car into a tree and found out how the Mercedes bends.

Show me a piano falling down a mineshaft and I'll show you A-flat minor.

This site looks so much nicer with content in it!

Joshua Aslan Smith

1:58 PM

Glad I could help lol

I'm working on a new police series featuring a former cheese master who retired when his family died in a cheese vat explosion. He vowed to never work with cheese again, but years later he's tipped off that maybe his family's death wasn't an accident. He joins the police as a freelance investigator who uses his cheese skills for lure all kinds of criminals into traps and makes Swiss cheese out of the mob guys who try to stop him. It's called "The Emmentalist".

Joshua Aslan Smith

I present to you Sad Supes, first official released pic from batman v. superman

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Lol, Puns.SE has been closed due to all questions being "too localized"

4

I guess they couldn't bear the pun ishment.

@JoshuaAslanSmith check out your featured article

2:00 PM

I think Sad Superman looks more like Grimly Determined Superman.

Is he holding a giant ball of barbed-wire?

Joshua Aslan Smith

@gmnoob nice banner

@GMNoob It looks like its in the background to me.

How I imagine most people after telling a pun.

@kviiri lol, clicked on the bigger image, it's one of those air conditioning vents

2:03 PM

static.fjcdn.com/gifs/… .

Ok, so puns... I need a good name for the page which features game replays/recaps/podcasts etc.

Joshua Aslan Smith

To make a giant boozey punch tomorrow or not, that is the question

Why wait for tommorow?

Joshua Aslan Smith

whether tis nobler to drink from small cut glass cups
The finely mix't liquor, spice, and tea
or to simply drink highballs and beer bottles

What is a highball?

2:07 PM

@Aaron type of drinking glass

Joshua Aslan Smith

Highball is the name for a family of mixed drinks that are composed of an alcoholic base spirit and a larger proportion of a non-alcoholic mixer. Etymology The Online Etymology Dictionary suggests that the name originated around 1898 and probably derives from ball meaning a "drink of whiskey" and high because it is served in a tall glass. The name may refer to the practice of serving drinks in the dining cars of trains powered by steam locomotives, when the engine would get up to speed and the ball that showed boiler pressure was at its high level, known as "highballing". Or the name m...

Lol maybe this conversation would be more suited for the bar chat

Joshua Aslan Smith

eh no rpg chat going on doesnt need to move

Ah.

I was kidding

We'll probably crack a bottle of club soda and drink some of the vinegar we made the other week

Joshua Aslan Smith

2:08 PM

A hgih ball is a type of glass but also a byword for at type of cocktail consisting of one spirit and a mixer

I should get some beer though...everything I have right now is too dark for my current tastes

So that's a highballer... sound a lot better than a "woman's drink"

Joshua Aslan Smith

so rum and coke, gin and tonic, scotch and soda, bourban and ginger (beer).

@waxeagle all the wheat beers

@JoshuaAslanSmith or rye beers. I really like rye beers.

My favorite is a long island iced tea

Joshua Aslan Smith

2:10 PM

I do too, its just wheat beer = summer to me

but RPG conversations should be happening right now... like what to call the games :P

Joshua Aslan Smith

hefeweizens, berliner weisses, saisons

wits

depending on my mood, my favorite drink is a real oddball. Spirit of Ecuador. it's a syrupy sweet fruity liquor. Good straight, but I keep it on the shelf so I drink it over ice

@GMNoob pondering it.

I tend to like strait vodka. I don't really like mixing my drinks.

"aRound the Table"

?

2:12 PM

@GMNoob works for me

Joshua Aslan Smith

My cocktail appetites border on the bacchanalian

we can rename it if we come up with something better

Joshua Aslan Smith

I drink everything except tequila

well not really vodka, because Gin>Vodka

How do I best turn that into a "knights of the round table" pun? Or is that too distant from D&D?

@JoshuaAslanSmith I was going to quote a song but realized it would sound creepy.

2:13 PM

@GMNoob same general flavor

@JoshuaAslanSmith I need to get some Gin...good midshelf brand with solid availability?

Saphire

Joshua Aslan Smith

tanqueray

I'm a sucker for good bottles

Joshua Aslan Smith

you're paying for the bottle lol

Sorry, Bombay Saphire

Joshua Aslan Smith

2:15 PM

though bombay sapphire is a respectable brand

@waxeagle difference between them, Tanqueray is a more traditional London dry gin.

cool

Aren't you better off with Beefeater then?

Joshua Aslan Smith

also I th ink tanq is easier to find in handles as well as 375s. Ive only seen sapphire in a 750

nah beefeater is lower quality

its still midshelfish

but tanqueray is definitely better without getting into ultra bottles

Like I said, I'm a sucker for bottles. If I'm going to have London dry gin, I want to see a picture of something that reminds me of London :P

Though apparently... upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/…Feb‌_2013.jpg/200px-Tanqueray_Gin_HDR-_Feb_2013.jpg

@JoshuaAslanSmith cool thats helpful, depending on what I'm buying picking up a 375 to start seems like a good plan

we don't drink that much

2:19 PM

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It looks amazing over the right lights.

Joshua Aslan Smith

rangpur is quite good

its not their normal gin

wax eagle has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Joshua Aslan Smith

its made with rangpur limes

trying to fix the morningstar bug

we'll see if that works

@BESW see 2 messages above

Anyone know where the Basic Game PDF for 5E is going to drop today. Not when, but where we should be looking as we wait for it?

Joshua Aslan Smith

2:20 PM

Rangpur is the gin I recommend to people who dont usually drink gin or who are looking to get into gin

we dont know an exact time

www.dungeonsanddragons.com

Joshua Aslan Smith

dungeonsampdragons.com/bounded-advantage/2014/07/03/…

not be confused with www.dungeonsampdragons.com

@DampeS8N I don't think they've given anything close to an exact location yet

Joshua Aslan Smith

dont know if youd be able to find a tanq rangpur bottle in a small size though

2:21 PM

Thinking on it though, I would be surprised if they didnt leverage drivethru

Joshua Aslan Smith

totalwine.com/eng/search/tanqueray

They have said it will be at dungesonanddragons.com many times

@waxeagle Didn't seem like they had.

Joshua Aslan Smith

think the site front page is going to change drastically?

@JoshuaAslanSmith I hope so. That would be my guess based on the wishy-washy time table for the release today.

Sounds like a site release event.

2:23 PM

@DampeS8N I am level 3630. 60% through the 100,000 runners mission.

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah

@DampeS8N seems like they should modify the whole kit and kaboodle, including making the 4e stuff less visible

@Aaron Noob, I'm level 8000 and have about 500,000 left on the 1,000,000 runner mission.

@DampeS8N twitter.com/jeremiahfelt/status/483757552778240000

@DampeS8N When did you start?

2:25 PM

@Aaron Before I posted the link for the first time. :)

Are you guys playing the same game that I used to play back in late 1999 where you kills stuff and it sits in the background?

@GMNoob No but that sounds interesting

And if so, has it improved since then? :P

@GMNoob No, a brand new game where you do that.

sounds like I need to ask a question in games.se

2:34 PM

For those interested: I ran the numbers and if you bring the Basic D&D PDF to a print shop (the price sheet I used was from staples) you should be able to print a bound copy for $20-25.

not bad

they've said they're kicking around a POD option too, not sure what that would run, but the final is probably ~200pg+ so that's a big book

If you print off about 40 copies you can bring that down to $15-20

/me isn't sure what he'd do with 40 copies of the basic rules...

though I see the utility for you :)

its probably worth waiting til the end of the year to do a bigger print run though, as they've said that's when the PDF will be finalized*

I don't even think I could make use of 40 copies, that's just where the prices drop for bulk printing of >2000 pages and >20 bindings.

makes sense

@DampeS8N for when you franchise :)

2:37 PM

@waxeagle I need to become profitable first. lol

@DampeS8N profits shmoffits!

(when it isn't my money)

Morningstar bug seems to have not been fixed :(

@waxeagle hehe, I've reached the point where I have enough members that I can afford to run the guild indefinitely with my own extra income. Basically, I am now spending as much to keep it open as I was just doing my hobby without the physical location.

@waxeagle and @JoshuaAslanSmith Put your links on this page. If you can't tell me.
http://www.dungeonsampdragons.com/bounded-advantage/around-the-table/

@DampeS8N that's a solid point actually

better when you're breaking even/making money, but as long as you aren't losing your shirt...

2:42 PM

@waxeagle Absolutely. It is exciting when things finally start to come together.

What is the guild?

@GMNoob Don't have one yet. When I have one I'll link it up

@GMNoob he runs a membership driven play space

@GMNoob The Bronze Coin and also on facebook

@waxeagle Nice, so just a decked out room to play, not a book shop or anything else?

@GMNoob Yep. We have All The Things.

2:45 PM

Very exciting to hear that such a thing can work.

Props from olde timey paper and wax seals to skulls and bottles and weapons and armor, Tools from books to maps to dungeon tiles in 2D ans 3D and 2.5D, to thousands of minis, so on.

@DampeS8N That is the only drawback to where I live. Not enough people here for that sort of thing.

@GMNoob If I were better at business and less lazy, it would work a lot better. haha

@DampeS8N How many members do you have?

Indeed. Couldn't do something like that here (London), property is just too expensive. My group meets in the function room of a pub which we only get at an affordable price because we meet on an off-night and bring them people who buy meals and drinks.

Joshua Aslan Smith

2:47 PM

I got nothing right now but will have things once I start up my Rpg.Se roll20 game

@JoshuaAslanSmith K, but do you have permission to edit?

Joshua Aslan Smith

yes I do

@GMNoob It takes a lot fewer people than you think. The average price people are paying (it is pay-what-you-can) is ~$30 a month. My monthly overhead is ~$1000 a month, so that's 34 members to break even.

@DampeS8N Most groups run 3-5 members right? That would only be about 10-15 groups coming in to game.

@Aaron You got it. And we have 2 gaming rooms setup and the potential for a 3rd in the attic.

2:50 PM

@DampeS8N Nice.

So that's 2-3 games per room per week.

Too bad you are not in my area I would definitely be joining.

@Aaron If some amazing billionaire wants to invest, I can setup one of these anywhere. :)

Joshua Aslan Smith

lol

@DampeS8N Yea I am far from a billionaire. I wish.

2:52 PM

@DampeS8N Start a franchise!

@GMNoob I don't seem to

(looks like I can edit/manage posts but not pages)

@waxeagle How about now?

@GMNoob I'm open to doing this, but I need to be profitable enough to be able to hire at least 3 people: Someone with an MBA, a lawyer who does franchise setup stuff, and a great salesman to sell the idea to prospective business owners.

@GMNoob yep

It can grow from there, but that's the minimum.

2:55 PM

@DampeS8N Just need a calculator, legalZoom.com, Facebook

@DampeS8N and none of those are cheap

(at least not if they're any good at it)

@GMNoob No, you really need the people. I don't have the time to be those 3 things myself.

I have to GM games.

There is a new coffee/snack place near me which charges $1 for all food items in the store. Most places charge $5 for most things. They are making their money by selling franchises which basically require you to have $100,000 in the bank, and to pay them $50,000 for the equipment and setup.

That said. I've been writing up a bunch of stuff about how I've done what I've done so far and will eventually release that so others can emulate me. I don't believe in trade secrets, anyone should be able to setup more places like this. If you want to use the brand (logos, name, listing on the site, so on) I can probably start the process with a single interested party.

@GMNoob so it's like a pyramid scheme (sort of?)?

2:58 PM

I bet if you just told people you were doing a franchise for $10,000 + the cost of "All The Things", you could then have enough to hire pepole to do it for real :)

@GMNoob People don't tend to toss around that kind of money on faith. I'll need to prove the business is viable first.

@waxeagle Maybe, but the stores are popping up all over the place and causing other cafes to lower prices.

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