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shatterspike1

00:15

Oh man. I wonder if new users ever get scared off when they get dog-piled with downvotes.

Mark Anthony Songer

It would discourage me

Metool

00:35

Yhup.

Mark Anthony Songer

Two words: Car Wars!

Alex P

@shatterspike1 I think it's worth it to the extent that it also discourages bad answers rapidly.

trogdor

01:26

I might have been too

shatterspike1

02:23

I mean, I agree, it's just usually also useful to leave a comment. I've seen a few answers go -4 or so, although those are usually so bad it makes me doubt said person would be able to contribute at all even with a comment.

Alex P

I usually leave a comment. Sometimes it's a pointed comment.

Because, for example, I feel like there's no way you can read this site for even 2 minutes and decide that two sentences of edition-warring is an acceptable answer to a complex question.

shatterspike1

I'm now curious as to where this particular answer is

Alex P

Let me comb through my -1s and find it...

-2

A: What are the major differences between Pathfinder and D&D 4e?

For the most basic and simple difference: 4e is a battle heavy game. Not so much about exploration. Pathfinder is dedicated to exploration. Battles are be "seamless" with the exploration and light. That's the central difference between Pathfinder and D&D 4e. D&D 4e is more suited to casual pl...

shatterspike1

Ah, the answer that doesn't answer anything at all

Alex P

"Casuals vs. hardcore" nonsense. No explanation of what "exploration" actually means.

shatterspike1

02:32

I think there was a conversation about this a few months back even

Alex P

Like, it's possible to have that opinion and still post an answer that gets a +1 from me. That answer just needs to be well-explained and thoughtful.

The other thing I will totally dog-pile on with -1s is any variation of "Ignorance is good!"

-3

A: Why would you want to play with a deck bigger than 60 cards in MTG?

Why would you play with a larger sized deck? 1- More fun 2- To show those who rely on law of probability that you can throw that out the window when you're dealing with thousands of options(number of existing cards.) It's the exact same science that "proves" that there is no life on other planets...

shatterspike1

Wow...

There is exactly one statistical reason to have a deck over 60 cards, and that's if you want a four-of of an important card, and even then, you'll still only have a 61 or 62 card deck.

Alex P

Basically these are two variations of the "forum-like" behaviors that SE is supposed to weed out: drive-by opinion-flames and special-snowflake Time-Cubery.

SE is designed to let Time Cube answers vanish into oblivion instead of turning them into massive attention-hogging threads.

shatterspike1

Which is excellent. Also, I'm pretty sure that particular answer might be both

Alex P

The weirdest thing to me was how hard it undercuts itself.

"Don't play 60 cards! That is what math fascists want you to do! Also anything above 60 is stupid for any deck that actually wants consistency, i.e. winning."

shatterspike1

02:39

That particular answer is klein-bottle shaped, I'm sure

Alex P

But, like, that's a first answer that deserves a -1.

It's reasonable to softball people a bit, sure.

But ultimately bad answers need to change or go away.

Or occasionally linger on as object lessons in "Don't do this," I suppose.

shatterspike1

That makes sense, I suppose

Alex P

Being inclusive and welcoming to posters is important, but not at the expense of being welcoming and useful to readers, you know?

shatterspike1

Also, I find it a little funny how many people are on B&CG SE that are also on RPG SE

Alex P

The hobbies overlap a lot.

wax eagle

02:44

@AlexP yes, that's part of the reason that it's hard to delete answers, there is some value to a reasonably downvoted wrong answer

Magician

Morning

Alex P

Mornin'

wax eagle

morning

Problematic

03:19

Morning

Metool

Breaking the cycle!

jadarnel27

03:37

C-C-C-C-Combo breaker?

Is there some guideline on this specific SE site that says people should use header formatting in their answers?

shatterspike1

Not that I know of

jadarnel27

It's rather...ubiquitous around here.

Or maybe that's just confirmation bias on my part =)

shatterspike1

Far as I can tell, it's just common because it's useful for breaking up posts which tend to be long given the nature of the questions asked

jadarnel27

That's a good point. The answers do tend to be long.

shatterspike1

It's mostly just a readability thing

jadarnel27

03:47

@shatterspike1 Right. I guess I normally just see people using paragraphs to break things up.

@shatterspike1 That is fan-freakin-tastic.

shatterspike1

Finding things on the internet

Metool

@shatterspike1 You can hit the 'upload...' button to host it on imgur from wherever it is on the web.

shatterspike1

It was from tumblr

Metool

Yes. And it has an insanely long link to copy and paste elsewhere.

jadarnel27

@Metool It seems like it would be 4 keypresses, regardless of the link length =P

shatterspike1

03:54

Now I have to write about my troubles with the quicksand box...

BESW

Amusingly, that downvoted "casual/hardcore" answer is on a thread that already has a deleted answer with this phrase: 4e is a combat-based skirmish miniatures game, in which the players are sometimes convinced that moving miniatures on a grid is "roleplaying."

And then another that says: Through limited experience it [4e] seems, how do I put it, much more "video-gamely" to me.

Metool

:/

Very much missing the point.

BESW

Some questions are just Opinion Bait.

shatterspike1

Even when they're not supposed to be...

BESW

Speaking of Opinions, Edition Wars, and Missing the Point, one of my clients is a 3.5/Pathfinder RPGer. Last night before our meeting she saw me reading my Fate Core book and we talked a bit about it.

Her ability to understand "Fate is a very different system than D&D" is at first limited to her own previously established schema (naturally, that's how the brain works), so her initial takeaway was "Oh, like Pathfinder."

I managed to keep my forehead from driving a hole through the table.

Metool

04:12

Allow me to fetch my response to that.

Alex P

We need a bot that auto-detects edition war comments and changes them to "<The edition I hate> is a combat-addled miniatures skirmish game. In contrast, <the edition I love> is a rich storytelling game, played on the Internet by telling other people I am better than them because I like <some random feature of that edition that has nothing to do with 'roleplaying'>."

Metool

►

Alex P

@Metool Is that the tutorial level or something?

BESW

@AlexP The bot would also need to be able to produce "<The edition I hate> is a hippie-infested lovenest with no rigor or accountability. In contrast, <the edition I love> is a robust engine capable of handling any situation by RAW alone."

Metool

@AlexP It's half-way through the game at the earliest. He's just there to lighten the mood.

BESW

04:15

(It is a source of regular amusement for me that 4e gets both ends of the hatestick.)

Alex P

Also, <the edition I hate> is totally a video game, on account of these features it has that are present in video games inspired by Dungeons & Dragons.

Kyle Sykes

I watched a salesman at my FLGS sell a bunch of D&D 1e books to someone after comparing 4e to World of Warcraft the other day. I guess to get the "real" experience or something?

BESW

I fell prey to the 4e/WoW comparison when I first looked at 4e.

(I just dropped some notes/ideas/areas I need to get more ideas into the Spoil-Lair, if anyone's interested.)

Alex P

@KyleSykes 1e like AD&D or old D&D?

Kyle Sykes

Old D&D I suppose? It was the reprints of 1st edition that were released a while ago.

BESW

04:29

Editions of Dungeons & Dragons

Several different editions of the Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) fantasy role-playing game have been produced since 1974. The current publisher of D&D, Wizards of the Coast, produces new materials only for the most current edition of the game. Many D&D fans, however, continue to play older versions of the game and some third-party companies continue to publish materials compatible with these older editions. Parallel versions of D&D throughout its history and inconsistent product naming practices by D&Ds original publisher TSR can make it difficult to distinguish between some editions of the ga...

Kyle Sykes

AD&D 1st edition then.

Alex P

Oh, I hate that one.

Kyle Sykes

I've never played it, but i always got the impression that it was a bit rough.

Alex P

Because BD&D is its contemporary and yet so much cleaner.

BESW

This strip is perfect for so many occasions.

Alex P

04:33

Like, the "Advanced" game is literally "And we added a bunch of details, but also there's literally complexity that does nothing, just because these two games were developed in parallel so none of the useful design work in Basic translates over at all."

Kyle Sykes

I've been really disappointed with D&D Next thus far. We playtested it for a few sessions back in Spring, and it just didn't come off as that great.

BESW

@KyleSykes @Magician has facilitated several discussions of Next playtesting here.

Magician

@BESW I've stopped doing that because horses and kicking thereof.

Kyle Sykes

Neato!

BESW

The general reaction seems to be "A noble cause, doomed to failure by both its too-lofty goals and the abysmal incompetence of its enactors."

Kyle Sykes

04:39

I like that the playtest was public. I disliked what came of it. Ah well, there's always 6th edition...

BESW

But I must go! [Photo Finish pose]

Kyle Sykes

Later @BESW!

Alex P

@KyleSykes There are also a few D&D-like games that people are talking about recently. Legend (@Metool is going to chime in to say that it's awesome ;) ) and 13th Age, for instance.

I find 13th Age interesting just because it's designed by Tweet and Heinsoo, who are two of the most "gearhead-y" designers from 3rd and 4th Edition, respectively. But not interesting enough to check it out myself, tbh, because a D&D-like game doesn't really fit into what I'm playing anytime soon.

Magician

My current stance on this is that it's embarrassing how much 13th Age is D&D, as compared to Next

Kyle Sykes

I've actually looked into Legend before I think, but just skimmed it. We've also looked into Pathfinder, mainly because another group we know plays it, and we have nostalgia of 3.5.

Metool

04:42

@AlexP Damn right I am.

Kyle Sykes

Nostalgia is a bitch though, because after years of playing 4e we switched back for one session to 3.5 and it was awful. -_-

Metool

Legend is something I poured my heart into, even not being a member of the dev team.

Kyle Sykes

I'll keep Legend in mind for when we turn back to something D&D-y

Alex P

@KyleSykes I've heard 3.5 is more fun to dust off if you basically only play with books made during the last year or so of its lifetime. I.e. no actual PHB1 classes, just Tome of Battle and Duskblades and similar things.

Kyle Sykes

Yeah, we only have the core 3 books.

Metool

05:06

From Legend IRC, [12:05am] Aerdan: Any Fate fans want to play with an in-progress character manager? I need beta testers.

@Metool Poke @BESW because this.

[12:08am] Aerdan: http://fenrir.aerdan.org/urd/ -- only Open/Save/Save As don't work, otherwise go hog-wild. Known issues: the Stress Track dials presently sort alphabetically by consequence rather than severity. Nothin' I can do about it for now. Consequences in the Skills & Stress tab also don't sort.

trogdor

06:16

@BESW except I am not allowed (unless I want major spoilers)

you cad

BESW

08:32

@Metool Some explanatory tooltips would be nice.

BESW

08:44

@Metool The ability to shift the position of items (like what order skills appear in), if it exists, is not apparent.

Why "URD"?

Zachiel

11:22

@Metool Proud patriot neck stiffening, nose inspiration chest pumping and SnowWhite dwarven march fist swing included?

BESW

12:02

@Metool Removing consequence slots and stress boxes seems to not be a thing one can do.

Tweets to Campaign By presents a low-key one-shot:

It is a hard thing to befriend a man who will not touch coffee. MO1895

Tweeted by TweetsofOld on September 5, 2013 at 8:32 AM

wax eagle

agreed

gah, NPR had a quick blurb this morning that reminded me of the RFS game we ran this past week. trying to find an article on it because it's both sad and hilarious

Aaron

Goodmorning.

BESW

Hey.

BESW

12:29

I am going nowhere on brainstorming for my next session.

Aaron

@BESW Need help?

BESW

Mebbeh.

Aaron

Where did you leave off your last game?

BESW

But my player frequents the chat, so I set up the Spoil-Lair.

BESW's Spoil-Lair

CAUTION: High chance of plot. Not for BESW's players.

wax eagle

audio only til tomorrow: npr.org/2013/09/05/219207767/…

BESW

12:48

Dear Edition and Playstyle Warriors:

I have for you a pair of tweets that have nothing to do with RPGs.

It amazes me that people will try to argue with "This doesn't work for me." Do they expect me to suddenly realize I feel awesome about it?

Tweeted by UrsulaV on September 5, 2013 at 12:37 PM

If a bunch of people tell you something isn't working for them, why is the response to scream "IT'S WORKING GREAT!" and pour text on it?

Tweeted by UrsulaV on September 5, 2013 at 12:39 PM

wax eagle

Good advice in general! Though I'm not sure it helps the "Then you're doing it wrong" crowd

Zachiel

13:24

@BESW Uhm, because it is possible that it isn't working for them because they're doing it right, because it could be that it's the better option between the existing ones (meaning the others won't work and will be worse too), because people often don't know what is or isn't working for them despite what they say. I see a myriad of options...

Of course one shouldn't assume. One should ask.

"Why isn't that working for you?" "Are you sure this isn't really what you need, provided you change that other thing?"

doppelgreener

Howdy y'all. Could anyone tell me what the D&D 4e enchantment is that lets a weapon teleport back to your hand?

wax eagle

@JonathanHobbs farbond spellblade

or some such

its one that also allows you to chuck it

doppelgreener

Huh. There is that, but I thought there was a weapon enchantment that let the weapon return to you, so long as you were holding it for ~24 hours beforehand. Maybe I'm remembering something from 3.5e or Pathfinder..?

BESW

Farbond lets you call the sword back from up to a mile away, at will, if you have the Swordbond class feature.

(Looking at Adventurer's Vault 2)

3.5 definitely has something similar.

doppelgreener

Hm ~_~

I'm looking for one of the weapons that requires you to attune to it for a day before usingit

Several ki focuses are like that but I was sure there were others

Aaron

13:34

Sounds like a magic item. Are you looking for something the player can do to any weapon or an enchanted weapon?

doppelgreener

I'm just looking to edit this answer actually

since Brian pointed out that there is attuning, which is basically the total extent of any concept of magic item loyalty in 4e

wax eagle

nothing pops for teleport specifically. and the mobile compendium is painful for this kind of thing

@JonathanHobbs the rules for ki foci say they all are

doppelgreener

@waxeagle Alright O:

Joshua Aslan Smith

whats being looked for?

compendium wise

doppelgreener

13 mins ago, by Jonathan Hobbs

Howdy y'all. Could anyone tell me what the D&D 4e enchantment is that lets a weapon teleport back to your hand?

wax eagle

13:40

wrong one :(

doppelgreener

just a few minutes ago

well, that one too

Joshua Aslan Smith

Dont all magic weapons return to your hand if you throw them?

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith yep

doppelgreener

Oh. o:

Ok maybe this isn't a 4e thing.

Joshua Aslan Smith

there may be a specific, more fluff enchantment where OoCombat it can teleport

Aaron

13:42

Hey anyone running any D&D 3.5 games?

Joshua Aslan Smith

but in general 4e magic weapons are always there for you so your character isnt gimped for a round of combat picking up his magic dagger

doppelgreener

\o/ rad, okay

Zachiel

@Aaron I'm running a 3.0 one, can I be of some help?

wax eagle

and if you can't catch it for whatever reason it falls to your feet

Zachiel

@Aaron (and I've been running 3.5 ones and I'm still playing by D&D 3.5 rules in other environments)

Aaron

13:44

@Zachiel I am looking to join a game. I don't have any 3.0 books though.

Zachiel

Oh, ok, no, sorry, I'm not too into play by forums, I don't think I want to do play by VoIP and if I had to do a Play by Chat I'd better spend my time leveling up in ones I'm already in.

What kind of game were you looking for, anyway?

Aaron

Not sure. Depends on what character I make. I have played the Druid class multiple times and the Monk class once.

I enjoy politics mixed with good dungeon crawls.

VoIP? I think I asked this once before but I forgot what it was.

Voice over something right?

wax eagle

voice over IP

Joshua Aslan Smith

as in mic chat

using things like teamspeak, mumble, ventrilo

wax eagle

hangouts/skype etc

doppelgreener

13:48

as in THE POWER OF THE INTERNET

Aaron

Ah. Thank you @waxeagle and @JoshuaAslanSmith

Joshua Aslan Smith

@jonathanhobbs You sir deserve a gold star

doppelgreener

@JoshuaAslanSmith yay :D

Zachiel

@JonathanHobbs Voice over INTERNET POWER

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doppelgreener

@Zachiel THIS IS IT YES

Zachiel

13:53

Main reasons I don't do VoIP are: lack of confidence with spoken English, different timezones and not disturbing parents.

Joshua Aslan Smith

not disturbing roomates/housemates is an extremely valid reason to hold back

You can get so caught up that you're yelling (in joy, anger or sorrow) at your computer to your friends and everyone else in the house is like WTF

Zachiel

@JoshuaAslanSmith Especially if they are sleeping.

Joshua Aslan Smith

exactly

where do you live, if you dont mind me asking, I sometimes forget the cosmopolitan nature of RPG.SE

BESW

@JoshuaAslanSmith His profile says Italy.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@besw was trying to be conversational about it

Zachiel

13:59

I'm Italian

Joshua Aslan Smith

I try to refrain from the internet snoops if I can instead just ask

even if its on a public profile

by the way how are you this late night (for you) besw

BESW

Fair enough.

Thinking about an early night; I've gotta take my folks to the airpart in four hours.

Joshua Aslan Smith

hah, yes getting Some sleep may be advised, though the alternative (pounding energy drinks) can be fun once in awhile

Aaron

Hmm. Wasn't there a question someone asked about where to find online games?

Zachiel

Talking about my profile, I forgot to add a game. Maybe it was a good thing.

BESW

14:03

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Q: Sites for finding online RPG players for a play-by-chat RPG Campaign?

Are there any online sites in which you can look for people that are looking to play in an online play-by-chat RPG Campaign? I'm thinking of running a Pathfinder campaign for Skype (text only) and I don't have a group of players.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@zachiel which game, lol

Zachiel

the first game by Vincent D. Baker

usually shortened as kp4s

wax eagle

probably my favorite game title :)

Zachiel

It's the kind of game which name alone could gain me the hate of half the Internet

so I'm not gonna actually name it - not out of prudery, mind you. It's just a game after all

But I don't want my usual nickname to jump up in internet searches, out of context, next to that name

Alex P

His hate-mail page is great.

Joshua Aslan Smith

14:07

just googled that

Zachiel

I think the hate-mail page has been taken down

Joshua Aslan Smith

laughing

Zachiel

I was unable to find it last time I checked

Mind it's a game he wrote in anger after understanding what traditional games were about

satan is ultimately the DM, giving out power in exchange for the player's will to play according to predetermined canons

and it's a mockery of the rpg structure, with players allowed to cheat - and be punished if they do

Metool

Heyo.

Zachiel

and after that it's hilarious how some killings were done with a swiss army knife's corkscrew

wax eagle

14:10

@Zachiel it's been mentioned a few time in here: chat.stackexchange.com/…

Zachiel

or... well, players will find the strangest ways to gain points

@waxeagle you forgot a "

wax eagle

yeah, mostly because in quotes it missed at least one reference cuz I misspelled it once

and then I forgot to get rid of the other double quote

Alex P

He categorized his hate mail: against killing puppies, against Satan, against satin (there was one that was all about how it's wrong to kill puppies for fabric), for Satan, and "disturbingly fixated with my anus."

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Aaron

Is there a pm feature or only opening chat rooms with the person?

Alex P

Because for every 20 or so hate mails you get about how you are going to hell, you'll get one that is way, WAY too fixated about how you will be tortured there.

BESW

14:14

@Aaron Stack Exchange has no private message functionality.

Everything here is logged and archived and given to Google.

Aaron

@BESW Ok. Thanks

Zachiel

I just noticed the post by me listing the games in my convention is indexed as well.

Aaron

Hmm. Would anyone here be willing to DM a simple 3.5 dnd game?

Zachiel

Well, I think I might but... it would be from one of the modules I have and... I have bad experiences on pitching characters against module opponents

Also, because of what I said before, it should be play by chat -and- I don't really know when I could be present and not playing another D&D game meanwhile, which could be a big problem given how D&D 3.5 requires a party

@Aaron What do you mean by "simple"?

Aaron

Module opponents?

Some people go all out making a ton of politics and such. I like politics but don' think it necessary to enjoy myself..

Zachiel

14:22

Oh, I'm not a politics DM - Even if I like politic plots, I'm not good at them.
You know, you get a module, you crack the book open and it has all the encounters pre-planned and the statblocks laid down

and those NPCs are usually really weak

Aaron

Ah I got you.

Zachiel

Like they have fluff-valid feats that do nothing in combat

Aaron

A pre made adventure is what I called them but I assume most call them modules?

Zachiel

I think it's WotC's official name is game modules but yeah, it's them

or was it adventure modules?

who cares

Aaron

I use them as guides and up the amount or power of the foes if it is too easy.

Zachiel

14:25

I used to play Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil with 6 characters.

At one point I started advancing all the monsters 1-2-3 HD over the base - what it took to beef them without increasing the CR

It made the game more interesting but oh boy it was time consuming

Aaron

I would likely increase damage dealt so it does not increase the time it takes to kill them.

Zachiel

(is the correct idiom "oh, boy, was it ..."?)

Aaron

Makes them more of a challenge without making the game longer.

Zachiel

They died before even acting

0 is not more a challenge than 0

Aaron

Ah.

Zachiel

14:28

I'd even let people use ToB for a campaign but I always fear unbalances. In an unbalanced system.

Aaron

ToB?

Zachiel

Tome of Battle - Book of the 9 swords

Aaron

Ah. I don't have that.

Zachiel

One of the biggest problems I have with D&D (there are many) is I should always model my encounters over the party

Mmmmh if we made a game over the internet what would be the rule? We can only use manuals everyone owns?

BESW

@Zachiel Your use was fine. "Oh boy" is an interjection.

Aaron

14:31

I would just use the core books and maybe a book for that class for a prestige.

Zachiel

I wonder how compliant to laws I would be since the 3.5 core manuals we used at the table were of one of the players that now lives in England...

BESW

This is where Lord_Gareth or KRyan burst in and explain that the Core alone is the most imbalanced group of books you could choose, and that adding more options, especially martial options, will make your game much less swingy in terms of chargen op.

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Zachiel

well, there's the SRD

@BESW ah I agree.

@BESW Can I burst in?

The most broken things are in core.

BESW

Since you've already started the rhapsodic waxing on about ToB, you might as well continue to fill the role.

Zachiel

I'd better look for when Lord_Gareth explained it to someone else

I must have starred it...

Aaron

14:35

I have never had a broken character. My old DM also only gave us like 100 gold per level and that was if we worked really hard to get it.

BESW

Hey, I found my copy of Exotic Zoology! Yey!

Aaron

So no magic items or anything really.

Zachiel

Feb 25 at 16:14, by Lord_Gareth

ToB removes action conflicts from melee, provides them with meaningful out-of-combat options via skills and utility maneuvers and adds variety to how you conduct combat

@Aaron Aaron, you had a druid

Maybe it was a low level druid

They don't need much money to be broken

Aaron

Nobody had much money even the rogue

BESW

[a quick photo later...]

Zachiel

14:38

I'm pretty liberal with money. It's mostly "what the pre-made says". So when they gained five times what they should have gained in a single level I panicked.

Aaron

It was rather annoying.

Our dm was trying to keep us from buying too much stuff I guess. I felt a little restricted though and didn't like it.

Zachiel

@BESW Do you really think flipping makes it "not a reproduction"? O.o (XD)

BESW

@Zachiel No, I just used Photo Booth and forgot to turn off the mirror effect.

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Q: Is there a reason to ignore/adjust the Wealth By Level chart?

While reading this Cohort Question I was kinda struck by a quote in there and instead of asking an unrelated question in that area I figured it would be good to make a separate question. The quote was "Though I am not advocating a strict adherence to the wealth by level progression..." So my que...

dnd-3.5e gm-techniques character-creation wealth

Zachiel

@Aaron So let's suppose I want to play a game (I'm weaker than Charlie Brown keeping Linus' blanket away from him). Who? When?

Aaron

@Zachiel I would be able to play at almost any time. I am not sure what you mean by who. Do you mean do I know any other's wanting to play?

Zachiel

14:43

@BESW D&D NPCs can't afford many magical weapons. Not as many as the PCs do and no, not even a significant portion of that as shown in the NPC wealth table. Because if every NPC group was so equipped, given it takes 10 to 13 equal level encounters to level up, the PCs would find like 5 times their equipment in gold every level. That's exponential growth, isn't it?

@Aaron I'm not sure I could make a 1 on 1 D&D game

wax eagle

@BESW that dragon looks like it could have been the inspiration for trogdor

Zachiel

it would be interesting

BESW

@waxeagle Here's the original.

Aaron

@Zachiel Ok. I thought it would be fun but if anyone else is interested perhaps?

wax eagle

still broken :(

cool, interesting beast

BESW

14:45

I've never found any of the artists' reconstructions to be very satisfying.

But it's a really cool thing, especially since the Babylonians had a very different style and context for depicting fantasy and reality in art... and the sirrush is solidly done in "reality."

Zachiel

Maybe, @Aaron. But orgainzing a PbC session with 5 people (the usual D&D 3.5 group size) would be hard

BESW

So I'm going to have them in my Egypt campaign.

Aaron

@Zachiel True. I could play multiple characters.

BESW

That's the main reason I chose to have Babylon be the invaders.

Zachiel

Or I could let you play a... howsitcalled...

wossname...

gestalt

BESW

14:47

@Zachiel I think 3.5 assumes 4 is default, and 4e assumes 5.

Aaron

@Zachiel O.o?

Gestalt?

BESW

But, nitpick.

Zachiel

@BESW 5=4+DM

BESW

3.5 doesn't like smaller parties in part because of the action economy.

Aaron

I have not heard of that in DND before what is a Gestalt?

Zachiel

14:48

@Aaron A character that levels up two classes at the same time, taking the best of each

BESW

No matter how awesome you are, one guy still gets one turn until he can spam time stop.

Zachiel

right.

BESW

And asking a player to run multiple PCs in D&D... well, I've run it in 3.5, SG-1 (d20 Modern mod), and 4e.

It rarely ends well.

Aaron

So they would level two different classes at the same time taking the better HD and such while gaining the skills of both?

Zachiel

I've heard of a bard ending Return to the Temple... alone

best saves, best number of skill points, best HD and so on

Aaron

14:49

@BESW I am used to rping multiple characters so the only difference would be rolling for them.

Zachiel

there's some other limitations like not taking two prestige classes at the same level IIRC

but it's a powerhouse. A powerhouse with a single man's rate of fire, though

Aaron

@Zachiel Sounds interesting. Are you wary to do a 1 on 1 because of low power of a single PC or something else?

Joshua Aslan Smith

Its not so much the RP as the forgetting of feats and features as you swap between characters

Zachiel

low power of a single PC

Aaron

I like a challenge and I actually tend to use traps and items to weaken stronger foes before I fight them.

Our DM had to increase the powers of the monsters in his game a lot when I joined because I would set up the traps and such. I took out a boss in one blow because of one of my traps once.

Zachiel

14:52

or you know he could be an archivist with persistent spells and blast through several monsters at once - but at the beginning it's harsher

Aaron

That was not even using the trap master class.

Zachiel

I had a trap master in my group.

His traps ended up being a nuisance for the group

Aaron

@Zachiel Again I apologize but I have not heard of Archivist.

Zachiel

divine wizard

Aaron

@Zachiel His party members ended up setting them off?

Zachiel

14:53

can learn spells from every divine class

not setting them off but having to maneuver around them

Aaron

@Zachiel Ah. I think I would go for the Gestalt.

@Zachiel Ah. If I had the trap master class I would set the traps behind us out of battle.

Zachiel

not so easy when they were invading places

I've never played with gestalt... I'm a little bit scared by that to be honest.

more players could be better

Aaron

@Zachiel I don't know anyone who would join an online game. If you are not comfortable I was just asking if anyone was interested.

Zachiel

Let's say I'm considering the idea

Metool

Hi.

Zachiel

14:58

Hello small creature under a helmet

Aaron

I hated those things in mega man X

I never could get the timing right.

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