TRPG General Chat

Aether

00:00

Or "Here's one I made earlier" :P

BESW

It's DFRPG in a suburban neighborhood, and his character concept doesn't have him toting weapons around.

Aether

@BESW I see that, it makes a lot of narrative sense...

Which means it has a lot going for it (Golden Rule style)

BESW

A repair kit, yes. He pulled out a hammer to smash the toys last session.

Aether

I'd be tempted to add/change to a "for things made up on the spot" restriction.

Which seems to fit the intention, but prevent that.

But if it's not being abused, it's fine either way

BESW

If he wants to have something he made or fixed before, that's a declaration or invocation for effect.

I'd probably treat it as similar to rolling Resources to see if you have X expensive thing.

(Which is probably the most common way to get a good weapon.)

The player is very keen to get as much as he can out of the game without breaking the rules, so part of this is an exploration of what you can and can't do with a stunt.

Aether

00:06

@BESW That makes sense - it'll cost him a fate point for a +2 bonus (with the stunt being useful for subsequent applications of his made tools)

BESW

Aye.

It's the only stunt the group has made up so far; the rest are straight out of the books.

@Jadasc Hi!

doppelgreener

00:22

Has anyone else seen a "Speak with an expert" popup in the bottom right of the site, or is that just me?

BESW

Yes!

Repeatedly!

doppelgreener

This is spooky. I don't know if it's someone doing funny stuff with the ads or what

but that would be classified as an XSS attack which browsers should protect against nowadays.

And nobody's mentioned it in the blog :I Weird

Aether

00:40

It's April 1st

doppelgreener

... Oh yeah :D

Aether

I had pretty much the same reaction, checked the source and searched for adviza, leading to a meta SO post on it.

doppelgreener

@BESW Is this the sort of thing that needs to be reported in the fate core feedback?

Jadasc

@BESW Evening. Just popping in to see what's going on?

@JonathanHobbs Fate Core feedback is closed; right now, they're just taking commentary on FAE.

doppelgreener

@Jadasc Ah! Dang, okay.

Jadasc

00:49

@JonathanHobbs Posting it to the G-Plus community, as you've done, should get some good commentary, but I believe the Fate Core rules text is pretty well set now.

doppelgreener

@Jadasc It was C.Ross who did that!

BESW

Was out of the room, and wasn't needed after all.

Hah!

(I can't track down where that post in the G+ comm is, anyone got a working link?)

Jadasc

Can't find it either. Trying to reshare using the share on G+ button here and failing.

BESW

@C.Ross We'd love to get a working link for your permissions/costs post on G+!

Jadasc

Try this one: plus.google.com/111156360333797967298/posts/KBzYYjW6ZxL

BESW

00:55

Beautiful!

(...And so is your hair.)

Jadasc

You're very kind. :)

Aether

Feedback for FATE Core is still open, but only for typos and things really needing clarification. The text is, as mentioned, pretty well set.

BESW

@Aether Yeah, this falls under "Not as clear as possible, but clear enough if you look at the examples."

I suspect they probably spent a lot of time figuring out how to word it so as to not restrict what you could do with extras.

Novian

Hmm hey all you 3.5 familiar guys, What would you say a good class would be for a Rogue who needs to fight Demons.(I Have the same question about dragons, cant seem to find a class for that. I dunno if im lookin in the wrong book or what.)

also as a completely unrelated comment. I Hate the Swarm Subtype, and all creatures with it in 3.5

BESW

You mean a prestige class?

Novian

01:01

I Suppose so.

Not much I can do with Sub Levels or ACF now that the campaign is underway.

First time Rogue.

Not much knowledge of what I can or should do.

Besides sneak and pick locks.

and talk my way out of absolutely nothing.

Diplo and Bluff are where the dice always love to screw me.

BESW

Slayer of Domiel?

Novian

hmm.

what book?

BESW

BoED73

Novian

Hmm Id need an alignment shift for that one.

doppelgreener

Okay this chat with an expert thing is sort of funny. :)

Novian

01:06

but no Biggie.

BESW

@JonathanHobbs ? I adblocked it.

doppelgreener

@BESW It's a site april fool's joke. Try it.

Novian

and my wisdom isnt so hot.

BESW

I guess I'll have to wait for it to show up again.

@Novian For dragons, check out dragonstalker.

Novian

I Think Slayer of Domiel is out.

BESW

01:09

....or Hoardstealer.

Both Draconomicon.

Novian

DM has told us Demons will be present but Im playing a Dragonborn and he did go out of his way to have Bahamut send a Level 1 rogue a message about Said Demons. making me think he may pull something.

BESW

Hellbreaker for demons...

Could be decent against some dragons too.

(FC2:Tot9H)

Novian

Im probably being paranoid but how often would a DM use a God to communicate a message to an unimportant Dragonborn follower about Demons instead of Dragons.

BESW

it specializes in locking down creatures with fancy SLAs and the like.

Novian

@BESW (FC2:Tot9H) Means what now?

BESW

01:13

Bahamut is a paladin god; his portfolio extends beyond dragons.

Fiendish Codex 2: Tyrants of the Nine Hells.

Novian

I Suppose.

ah!

BESW

Hellbreaker looks a lot like what you want.

dndtools.eu/classes/hellbreaker

Novian

also the hardest to get into.

i have that very link open already.

BESW

That's 3.5.

Prerequisites are costs for awesomeness.

Novian

Id need 3 feats and 4 ranks in a non Class skill, although by level 12 I would be able to get those ranks easy.

BESW

01:20

Any rogue building for this from level 1 can qualify at level 5.

Novian

Im past the building stage. im level 2.

BESW

That's about as lenient as you'll get from a PrC like this.

Novian

Actually I suppose level 9 might allow me the feats I need and skill ranks.

BESW

You could try for a flaw to lower that to level 8.

Novian

How does one aquire a flaw mid campaign?

Midearly

BESW

01:22

Mechanically, or in-game justifications?

Novian

Both.

If you'd be so kind.

BESW

> After 1st level, a player cannot take on additional flaws unless the DM specifically allows it (for examples of times when doing this might be appropriate, see Character Traits, above). (UA91)

Novian

ah thanks.

page 91.

BESW

> If the DM allows it, players may add traits to their characters after 1st level. The DM might allow a player to assign a trait to her character after she has roleplayed the character in a manner consistent with the trait in question, or after a traumatic or life-changing experience. (UA86)

> If the DM includes this option, a character should gain a new trait no more frequently than once every five levels. (same paragraph as above)

That gives a potential total of two flaws at level 1, up 1 every five levels.

Novian

Hmm.

BESW

01:28

(Same with traits, obviously.)

...should tag wikis be time-sensitive?

The FATE Core tag says "Fate Core is the new official implementation of the fate game engine."

doppelgreener

@BESW Yes, sure

BESW

I'm thinking a time marker like "new" might be inappropriate.

Novian

Im going to scope the waters using facebook to ferret out my GM's intent covertly. See if he is going to; as a DFRPG player might put it "compel" My "Servant of Bahamut" aspect.

doppelgreener

@BESW Yeah, probably doesn't need to say "new"

BESW

fate could use some cleaning-up too.

doppelgreener

01:35

@BESW I get what you mean now! No, since that just leaves us having to edit it later. It should probably just say it's the current version.

BESW

> The latest "official" incarnation of the system is found in The Dresden Files RPG and Bulldogs RPG.

doppelgreener

Hit that edit button :D

Novian

According to Combat Expertise would the benefit last until your next available action or until you actually took an action?

BESW

Link me.

Novian

dndtools.eu/feats/players-handbook-v35--6/combat-expertise--394

Like Activating it one turn, and Doing nothing the next turn.

You Never know when doing nothing comes up.

and doing nothing isnt an actual action.

BESW

01:43

That is a Poorly Worded Feat.

Novian

My AC doesnt need any boost yet really, Its 17 in Chain Shirt so Im hoping im OK.

BESW

I would rule that delaying your action (as it's listed explicitly as "no action") would keep your CE buff active.

Novian

if I had a +5 BaB when using it that would bump my AC to 22, Not great, But im a rogue so "not in front, but behind" is where I suppose I belong.

although -5 to Attack rolls is a detriment to an already Low Chance to hit.

Sometimes Feats seem lackluster. and they are.

BESW

Often feats are nothing more than resource-burning mechanics in qualifying for better feats.

[snuggles 4e and its scaling feats]

Novian

Like Combat Expertise and Chink in the Armor. CE is lackluster but is needed for CitA.

Chink in the Armor is nice.

Mountain Plate? Pfft.

Dragonstalker Pairs nicer with ranger than it does rogue mysteriously. Yea Rogues get way more sneak attack die than Rangers(Because None.) but thematically it screams Ranger.

Sneaky Dragonhunting Ranger.

BESW

02:11

Rangers can be very good at sneaking!

Novian

Indeed.

Rangers are full of suprises.

Im just tired of every drow ranger being a Dual Weilding Fanboy Drizzt Wannabe.

I Love the books dont get me wrong but Repetitive Immitation is annoying. because they never get it Right. Nor do they need to Copy Someone elses character instead of making their own personality.

I wonder, Was Captain Ahab a Ranger/Great Captain with favored enemy Whale?

BESW

Here's a G+ response which I think agrees with me in spirit, even if the words are different.

BESW

03:59

Beware--Tomorrow is April Fool's Day. The usual joshes will probably be in evidence. ND1906

Tweeted by TweetsofOld on April 1, 2013 at 3:37 AM

Magician

05:31

@BESW can you link me the post on making tough choices and compromises within a party?

BESW

@Magician Making the Tough Decisions.

That one?

Magician

Most likely. Thanks!

BESW

Do I smell a new blog post?

Magician

Ayup. Getting around to D&D rehabilitation post :)

BESW

Oooer.

I must say, having run a proper DFRPG session now, our habits about the GM controlling the world are harder to shake than I'd hoped.

Magician

05:35

Players are getting their greasy fingers all over your world? :)

BESW

@shatterspike1 Hi!

@Magician I'm getting my greasy fingers all over their agency.

And they like it.

They expect me to narrate and describe and dictate, and I oblige, all before we realize this isn't how it's done in FATE. We face/palm, move on, and repeat.

shatterspike1

Hello

BESW

@shatterspike1 Wassuppitchoo?

shatterspike1

dreading the end of this spring break

Still working on this Wild Talents campaign

BESW

How's that coming along?

Magician

05:42

@BESW When we play more narrative games in our group, it's still often me who comes up with descriptions, outcomes and cool events. Simply because I'm the best at it by virtue of having been a GM for over a decade.

BESW

@Magician Yes, well, I seem to have developed a nasty habit of 'helping' players narrate the outcomes of their characters' actions.

shatterspike1

@Magician: like microscope?

Magician

@shatterspike1 That, too. Like Mountain Witch or Don't Rest Your Head.

shatterspike1

Seems to be going alright, but I'll have to wait for an upswing in interest. My group tends to go through phases, it seems.

@Magician Are you doing a GMless version of DRYH?

BESW

Sounds like you need shorter-to-run, quicker-to-design campaign/system tools.

Strike while the iron's hot.

Magician

05:45

@shatterspike1 No, though I've been pondering GM-less games in general.

But DRYH gives immense freedom to players, especially if they win a conflict while using a madness talent

Novian

hmm. seems people are still here.

shatterspike1

Come to think of it, I've had a bit of that trouble with DRYH too. The DLYM book helps a little, it seems.

BESW

@Novian Sorry, do you and the chat need some time alone?

@Magician It occurs to me that FATE might be able to run GMless.

Magician

@shatterspike1 We found out that our madness talents were very tame as compared to its examples.

Novian

no. just generally dont see too many people on around this time some nights.

err mornings.

shatterspike1

05:48

The main source book tends to list crappy madness talents like "teleportation"

so that makes sense

Novian

Staying up late ducttaping together my characters backstory for the campaign i was talking about earlier, the rogue.

Duct Taping Figuratively of course.

Magician

DRYH also assumes self-destructive characters, which can be very hard for players who play to win. Their madness talents end up boring.

shatterspike1

The game CANNOT be played if the mindset is "play to win"

DRYH, I mean

Novian

one does not win a game, he loses himself to the task of winning.

shatterspike1

It would be kind of understandable in a D&D type game

or a game that grants experience

but DRYH only has scars and exhaustion dice in terms of positive progress

Magician

05:53

Such players still try to achieve the optimal story outcome for their character. And that means not going too far in a game all about going too far.

shatterspike1

Hmm...

wouldn't that mean that you'd have to ratchet up the difficulty so they must go too far? PAIN DICE

BESW

I've no experience with DRYH, but I've seen someone play MLWM to win.

shatterspike1

MLW?

N?

BESW

My Life With Master.

Magician

My Little Were-Mare.

3

BESW

05:55

@Magician This is now a thing.

shatterspike1

But...

that...

They missed the forest and the trees, and were searching a volcano for them

Novian

@BESW I Dunno Legend did have that pony PDF for the game, its not so much of a stretch from there.

BESW

[hums a spritely tune]
I used to wonder 'bout lycanthro-py,
'Til you all shared infection with me!

...hippocanthropy?

Novian

One does not Simply become a Lycanthrope, Thats Absurd! one must be Bitten....And Fill out the proper paperwork.

BESW

@shatterspike1 Mhm. Of course, they ran into the conundrum that you can either play to defy the Master, or play to defeat the Master, but not really both.

shatterspike1

05:58

Ah

See, that seems different. That kind of restriction of choice would be annoying to plenty, kind of like madness meters in a bunch of games.

Novian

@Magician In D&D that means Not pissing off the DM.(The first bit anyway.)

Magician

@Novian Yeah, it is the (usually) correct move in D&D, which is why they do it.

BESW

> Your demise shall have a scrupulous paper trail!

3

Novian

:P

BESW

@Magician And thus, we return to the blog post!

Magician

06:02

@BESW Yep!

BESW

@shatterspike1 Well, D&D tries to have a similar set of restrictions.

shatterspike1

It does?

BESW

You're supposed to be able to specialize in one, maybe two, roles per character, so that only as a group can you be fully functional and able to face down whatever threat comes your way.

Novian

PunPun.

BESW

@Novian "supposed to," "tries."

shatterspike1

06:06

Whom no sane DM allows... It seems like it's more about the DM and players all being on the same page.

BESW

MLWM tries to divide roles similarly: one person defies the Master, and other defeats him.

The difference being that MLWM has hardwired the roles into the mechanics at such a basic level that trying to be good at both winds up backfiring horribly.

Novian

:) Couldnt resist

BESW

Oh, look. It's the insane hobo who fooled the Doctor into thinking he was the Master.

Novian

<:O

@BESW With Self X-Ray Powers Dont forget those.

BESW

Eh, those came much later. First he had the power to Conjure Dated Soundtracks and Re-Write Canon.

Novian

06:10

true

BESW

Heck, that hobo was so powerful he erased the only sympathetic character trait of the Founder of Time Lord Technology and Society, the man whose ego was so big he's the reason aliens (including humans) look like Time Lords.

Novian

on a similar topic The new companion is a bit quirky.

BESW

@Novian [He could have said about any of the last five companions.]

Novian

She didnt even know how to use computers to start off.

those people are the truely quirky ones.

BESW

And you think that's not a plot point about the multi-death (though she's still got nothing on Rory) time-hopper?

Novian

06:16

I dunno. She died twice in 2 episodes. she comes back faster.

not as many times as of yet but quicker.

BESW

Eh, having the Doctor bring you back to life hardly counts; Rory didn't need a Time Lord to return from the grave.

Novian

'true true.

BESW

The Doctor brings people back to life all the time. [yawn]

Novian

I miss Mickey or rickey or whichever one was the original

BESW

Mickey was great. He actually had, you know, character development.

Novian

06:17

The "Tin Dog"

BESW

@Novian That's my mother's second-favorite line in all of New Who.

Novian

@BESW and the funniest nickname out of all of the companions.'

I think Rory and Mickey are better developed than some of the companions in Dr Who

BESW

Rory's a companion. And technically Mickey is.

Novian

Didnt say they werent.

im saying they are better developed than some of their peers.

BESW

But yes, sadly the "Doctor Who Girl" syndrome is still alive and well.

Novian

06:21

Funny.

BESW

I believe only one scriptwriter for New Who was a woman? It shows. These "strong women" are hitting all the stereotypes for men writing such roles.

Novian

.....Too sleepy to figure out Bahamuts speech pattern tonight..... ill finish the dialougue tommoro.

BESW

Ta.

Novian

Gnight. Have a Nice Day!

Undreren

07:18

There's a new pop-up on site

"Chat with an expert"

BESW

Yes.

Undreren

That is maybe the dumbest feature ever

BESW

@Undreren It's fun!

Zombies, Bad policy advice.

(It's also April 1st, in case anyone's missed that.)

Undreren

Ahh

It's the April 1st joke lol

brb, going to Wizards homepage

BESW

Yes. There's also Google.nose and the announcement that the YouTube Contest is closing.

Undreren

07:34

The youtube announcement almost made me poop with laughter

Question; why doesn't any game developers recognize that nightmares are just the watered down versions of night-terrors?

I want to play a werewolf with night terrors

Waking every night in hybrid form, on a raging killing spree

I'm having a conversation with myself, online. I just reached a new low...

Undreren

07:52

@BESW I yield. Chat bot is fun adviza.stackexchange.com/transcript/KzuJjXH06a5Q

BESW

08:40

@Undreren Heheh.

I once designed a 3.5 barbarian philosopher who flew into rages at the mention of existentialism.

Weird justifications for standard tropes are fun.

Undreren

08:52

@BESW What? lol

Tynam

@BESW ...how often did existentialism usually get mentioned in combat?

BESW

He hated existentialism, but it was the only philosophy he couldn't demolish logically, and so he felt bound to respect it and live by its tenets.

@Tynam Once his party figured out his trigger? All. The. Time.

Tynam

Actual hysterical LOL. Thanks, BESW, I needed that.

A *rigorously intellectually honest* barbarian is a *wonderful* concept. I need a +1 for chat.

BESW

@Tynam We've got stars.

Tynam

I know, but they're not shiny enough. I need stars with big +1s on them. And "like" signs.

BESW

09:02

Heheh.

Glad you like it.

Unfortunately, he saw very little play-time due to game issues.

I had rants prepared.

Tynam

Always a pity when that happens. I had the same problem with my swordmage recently - I'm fond of the character, but our other D&D GM moved away after one game, so I never get to play him.

Undreren

I've been thinking about an idea for a more free form rpg, based on one of the core concepts of Everway

mixed with some core concepts of Apocalypse World

Tynam

Oooh. We likes Everway derivatives. (Admittedly, mostly because Greg Stolze rocks.)

BESW

I am unfamiliar with it.

Undreren

I really liked the idea in Everway that players designs their characters' abilities with a extremely simpel point buy system

But I also liked the *world approach of moves

So I was thinking about mixing them

Tynam

09:08

@BESW ...it's pretty old now; this was early 90s RP, and arguably the first of the really freeform plot-driven RPGs. It feels like a modern indie game, but was actually by WotC - classic Jonathan Tweet design.

BESW

Ah.

Undreren

Actually, it's the conversation-based play that I like in AW and DW, but the moves amplifies it

Tynam

I think that would be possible. You'd need to keep Everway's basic approach, but replace the fortune deck resolution system with a AW-style move system.

Undreren

Exactly

I've been looking for a system to replace WW's storyteller (TM) system for a while

And this combo might be the way to go

I hate the STS

Tynam

@BESW (Everway's resolution system was basically "draw a tarot card and the GM interprets it in the light of what the PC was trying".)

BESW

09:11

Cute.

Undreren

I also liked the "settingless" approach of *world, no one knows the setting before play, rather it emerges through play

Tynam

That merges well with Everway's world-hopping through broken dimensions.

...we arrive through a Gate and then define the world we're on through play.

BESW

Interesting. I'd like a copy of the write-up.

Undreren

So, basically I want to play world of darkness with a less codified meta setting and a "better" more evocative rules system

Tynam

Hmmm... possible; Everway/AW mechanics lend well to adaptation. (I've seen Everway used for superheros and Star Wars, so gothic horror ought to be easy.)

Undreren

09:14

@Tynam My thought as well

Tynam

And AW's define-through-play ought to work well in urban environments; if you need more structure, something like how Dresden Files handles citybuilding ought to work.

Undreren

I don't want the citybuilding from dresden files

It's a good idea

Tynam

Fair enough. On-the-fly works fine.

Undreren

@Tynam Indeed it does.

I don't know which base stats to use though

But I've been thinking about entirely dropping them

Even though I will need to revamp the resolution system a little

Tynam

I'd love to find a way to keep Everway's character creation intact though; IMO the art card system was the finest character creation mechanic ever conceived.

(BESW: Everway's character creation was "pull five art cards that you like out of the big deck of fantasy art. Then tell your character's background story with those scenes.")

Would need a lot of work to set that up for WoD though.

Undreren

09:19

I wouldn't need it

BESW

Hrm.

What about using the tarot again and going a bit more meta on the interpretations?

Tynam

Could do. (Didn't WW print a couple of WoD tarot decks? I'm sure there was a Mage one.)

BESW

Good Tarot have a lot of suggestive detail.

Undreren

It isn't what I'm going for, but the idea is good :)

I'd rather let characters emerge through play, as the setting does.

Tynam

Yes. (Everway didn't use a real tarot, but a custom deck design of themed cards specific to fantasy, loaded with symbolic references.)

BESW

09:21

Ah.

...I'd use a good ordinary Tarot deck and be inventive, especially with a generic version of the system.

Tynam

I'd agree; a more standard deck would be called for here. But if you're going with AW's move system it's not required anyway.

I think you have to be careful how loose you get with this; the more initially undefined the _setting_, the more you need the _characters_ to have some story structure to work from. The characters will tend to generate the setting around them.

If there's any interest in the character design, you shouldn't have any problem with cool character emerging through play - your players will take care of that.

But it's important to note that everway's extremely flexible points-based character creation only works well because the player already has a background concept to hang the powers off. Otherwise the points system creates a paralysing amount of freedom - with anything being possible, it's hard for the player to pick a direction.

Undreren

@Tynam I know, and way ahead of you :)

Tynam

@Undreren I suspected you would be ;)

Ooops, client call. Got to go. See you later!

Undreren

The first thing players must choose is "splat" (Were, vamp or mage, or anything they imagined actually)

Then we will have some conversation about what it "means" to be a (insert splat here)

a part I really miss in WoD, where this "meaning" is hammered out in adamantium, meaning it is almost completely inmutable

There could be rough guidelines

For the more regular splats

vampires suck blood, and are envigored by it for example

But do vamps have complicated societies ripe with intrigue and betrayal? Well, that should be up to the players

As for supernatural powers

I think each player should choose themes before actually choosing the powers

BESW

09:40

Sounding more and more like FATE Core.

Undreren

For example, if you want to play a mage, then these themes should roughly be some subset of the powers granted by an arcana / sphere

I never read FATE core

BESW

You should! It's going in the same direction you are, and might give you some good ideas.

Undreren

a power theme could be "telepathy"

I will then :)

BESW

Settings are determined by the group, and described with a few pithy statements.

Undreren

Yeah, but that's easily achieved without an actual set of rules?

BESW

09:44

Characters are defined the same way, with a set of pithy statements that are used to describe the character's personality, interaction with the world, and relationships.

Then there's a game currency used to purchase abilities, but abilities are only available if the character phrases justify them.

Undreren

Well, awesome :)

How do I get Fate Core?

BESW

At the moment, you have to playtest with a GM who contributed to the kickstarter.

But the book goes to press mid-month, and once it's published it'll also be available for free download as a pdf.

Undreren

yeah then

:)

BESW

10:00

[fidgets] My perfect 1:2 badge ratio is being ruined!

Undreren

@BESW What are you talking about?

BESW

@Undreren For several months I had almost exactly twice as many bronze badges as silver ones.

Undreren

lol

BESW

Like, 20/40, and then I'd get one silver badge and three bronze ones for 21/43, and then it'd go up to 22/44, and so on.

Undreren

:)

BESW

10:06

Now I'm sitting at 31/67 and discovering that I have symmetry issues.

Undreren

Poor thing

BESW

I know, right?

Undreren

@BESW First World Stackexchange User Problems

BESW

@Undreren Exactly.

Undreren

I think fate core could be easily used for exactly what I want in WoD

BESW

10:10

@Undreren I don't know what the "move" thing is you were talking about, and it wouldn't support the card-drawing resolution dynamic.

But it does seem very much parallel, at least.

Undreren

@BESW are you unfamiliar with the *World games?

BESW

Yup.

Undreren

ok, basic rundown:

A move is an "ability" of sorts in the *world games

But is is also a rule that even the GM can't circumvent

They are build up around Trigger and Effect

The trigger is the in-game action required to force the move, the effect is the pseudo-mechanical way it changes the "fiction"

BESW

I'm familiar with a very few systems: D&D 3.5/4e (and by extension PF), DitV, SG-1 d20, MLWM, DFRPG/FATE Core/FAE, and a teeeensy bit of oWoD Mage and CoC 6th Ed. Most anything else is, at best, "I saw the manual once or twice."

Undreren

An example could be Spout Lore:

When you consult your accumulated knowledge about something, roll+Int. ✴On a 10+, the GM will tell you something interesting and useful about the subject relevant to your situation. ✴On a 7–9, the GM will only tell you something interesting—it’s on you to make it useful. The GM might ask you “How do you know this?” Tell them the truth, now.

This is how a move is structured

A lot of moves are common to all classes (called either Basic or Special Moves)

And then there's Class Moves and Advanced Moves, both specific to classes

For example, the Ranger has a pet, and the druid can shapeshift

BESW

10:15

Oh. Yeah, FATE can accomodate that.

Undreren

So classes are almost exclusively based around their class moves and the Advanced Moves they allow you to buy on level up.

I like Moves because they often gives the player the option to dictate outcomes of their action if they roll successes or partial successes

BESW

Heck, FATE has two separate mechanics for Players to Declare Things to be True, and its core mechanic is a form of metacurrency used to enable player agency rather than character agency.

Undreren

Making the storytelling process a lot less one-sided

Player Agency > Character Agency

Oh well, I have to go

BESW

Ta!

Undreren

See ya around :)

BESW

10:28

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