It's a Core idea, might have appeared into DF as well. Basically, they are Aspects that apply to everyone and everything and help set the tone of the game you're playing.
@mxyzplk @mxyzplk I was gonna ask you about that Warforged question but it turns out the sub-question of, "Is the conversion guide any good?" was answered with a resounding, "Dear wretched gods of the black pits no, no it is not."
@BESW Guy was asking about converting Warforged to PF. Someone suggested the race conversion guide Paizo/SKR published. However, it's turning out that aforementioned guide is a wretched piece of filth that should not be inflicted upon people you love.
@MrJinPengyou Perhaps you should link it, with the 'never playtested' caveat?
@BESW Pathfinder and 3.5 are close enough that it really can be a science. However, there's better reasoning than just that available for why SKR has yet again managed to spawn utter incompetence.
As the ratings he gives various races in his guide proves that he doesn't comprehend the system he designed
Much like when he published his 'feat point' system and valued Combat Expertise above Heighten Spell
Which is a lot like saying that a nerf gun is more deadly than a desert eagle
There's a better way to do exactly that, you know :p
Karmic Strike/Robilar's Gambit/Combat Reflexes, tag on Mage Slayer and Pierce Magical Concealment because, well, you're melee in 3.5 and you need them, use a reach weapon, pick up Stand Still and boost your Dex and Str out the roof.
Everything remotely near you is a giant field of, "I see you drivin' round town towards this caster I love, and I say, forget yooooooouuuu (ooh hoo hoo!)"
(Bonus: if you have the feats, grab Expertise for the tax and Improved Trip so all those AoOs translate into battlefield control too)
Expertise has this problem of being useless when you pick it up because you can't afford the accuracy hit, and being ineffective when you can afford the hit
Cloak of minor displacement does the job much better and costs only gold
That happened to me my first time. Mind you, my first time online I was trying to optimize VoP monk back before people realized it sucked.
And the thread I opened up sorta formed a dawning realization in that community about how much it did suck, which then lead to about a hundred pages' worth of fighting
Between people who couldn't believe that Monk wasn't the most OP class ever, and people who had actually found the reality.
The next few months online are going to be full of sighs and frustrations. The forum I post on for 3.5 just got a new poster and by every one of the Nine Hells does he have the worst combination of stubbornness, active posting habits, and wholly and completely wrong information about the game
Dude's managed to get three non-monk threads locked by arguing about monks
Oh yeah. I can already tell that he will be darker and more horrific than the abomination who preceded him in this arena, who after a mighty struggle was finally banned despite his ultra secret power of Passive-Aggressive Rule Avoidance
That beast was known as Giacamo, and the merest whisper of his name still sends good posters running for the mods. He managed to troll five great and wonderful posters into getting themselves banned.
And already this guy is worse, so we'll see how this goes. The community is not above serial-reporting posters until the mods throw them out just to be done with them.
@SimonGill Losing TheVorpalTribble enraged that community. He was one of our cornerstones, and he's banned forever. We are not going to tolerate it again - and unlike Stackexchange, we don't focus on the idea that bad information will weed itself out. We excise the poison at its source.
@BESW It was presented as a way to keep people talking on the same level - so people who naturally wear one hat or other don't take over a discussion from other people.
And frankly just about everyone left on the GitP roleplaying forums is sick of dealing politely with the wretched insanity that some of these posters spew forth.
But really. You can't say "This guy made these other guys do things to get banned." That's blatant irresponsibility. Unless he knows imperio or was holding their kids hostage, they should really take responsibility for flying off the handle.
@SimonGill No, they don't. The mods are fairly firm about what is and is not a good report etc. Someone being consistently wrong is not a reason for us to dogpile them or we woulda kicked out the guy who thinks that math and science are Illuminati-style conspiracies already.
But this guy is aggressively wrong and keeps showing up in threads to 'correct' people with his venomous crap. Not going to fly.
I am not exaggerating. We have a poster who thinks that math and science were invented as a conspiracy by their respective practitioners to deliberately hold back human evolution and make scientists/mathematicians into the unquestioned god-kings of the world. I wish I was making it up. It would be so much better.
We haven't dogpiled him because all he is is wrong. He starts stupid threads, he doesn't walk into other threads and proceed to annihilate the topic with his insanity.
He keeps the insanity in his own little corner where it belongs.
@Lord_Gareth I'm not sure... I've only read the review and the commentary (and I feel soiled enough already by that). This is a different kind of crazy.
> HYBRID rpg is compatible with the '86 MU TSR rpg, including and as well as being compatible with other rpgs such as HERO, GURPS, Primal Order RPG, Envoy System, Synnibarr, Mage-the Ascension, Dungeons & Dragons, TWERPS, Dr. Who rpg, Aberrant, MU Saga, BESM, etc. : HYBRID rpg is compatible with many popular past & current rpgs, but these similarities are by pure coincidence, sort of like ancient astronomers or engineers figuring out value of pi (3.14) indepdently of each other.
He has taken self-aware meta-cynicism to a level of incomprehensible overconfidence unparalleled by even the greatest ambitions of Palahniuk and Ishiguro.
Essentially, the point is this: a spell is a [Class] spell based on its description (and/or a Domain spell and/or an Initiate spell). Features that add spells to your castable list don't make it part of a new list.
They just let you cast it.
Which is why, say, a cleric with Initiate of Cyric that writes a scrolls of a [Cyric] spell will have trouble selling that scroll, because only other Initiates can use it without a Use Magic Device check
It's not a cleric spell just because a cleric can cast it, it's a Cyric spell
Repeating "it's not a wizard spell" doesn't help the person understand the concept of explicit game terms any better; it's a misunderstanding on the fundamental level. He doesn't have training in how to read this kind of text.
For many of us, that skill comes very easily. But that doesn't make it any less a skill which must be learned.
"his does not alter your listing" should be "his does not alter the class listing"
(it does alter your list)
(And it's not really important, but I try to use the rhetorical trick of talking about "my" wizard instead of "your" wizard in this kind of debate. Takes some of the teeth out, makes it less of an attack.)
Otherwise, I think it's pretty clear and might do the trick if all the antagonism hasn't made him dig his heels in.
[shrug] If your goal is to drive him away or provoke him into doing something bannable, make it an attack. If your goal is to educate him so he becomes a productive member of the GitP community, a kindly tongue clotheth the words with meaning.
AFK, wife has to Plants vs. Zombies the toddler. But for all future reference, I have no confidence in this poster's ability to learn when presented with direct evidence of his incorrectness. I'm posting in the vague hope that perhaps he might.
Not sure that I want to, given what I've seen of the general system mastery level 'round these parts, but ye gods Harrowed is giving me some horrific headaches on trying to troubleshoot its problems.
I managed to solve part of one problem (MAD) by shooting a sacred cow right in the face but there's soooooo much else.
No, balanced is the only question to ask. "How can I bring the concept of this class to life without annihilating the game?" is the essence of what I'm trying to do.
Though in this case I overcompensated and the class is flailing around every which where, drowning at the bottom of T4
@Lord_Gareth so operationalize the term. Is this a "Is this a class that a Tier X build will take some of the time, but not all of the time?" balance question?
So, um. I just provided PC names for a fellow GM who needed a large handful of them all of a sudden and couldn't pull them out on the fly, so he IM'd me right quick.
This leads me to wonder if there's some kind of Q&A, extant or possible, on the subject.
Naming things has always been one of my greatest joys, but I see people struggling with it quite a bit.
@SimonGill I'm having trouble determining what equipment is reasonable for a character to "start" with, and what I should have them roll for during play.
I know the ultimate answer is "whatever feels right, or make them roll/spend FATE," but if there's something in the DFRPG about it I can't find it.
Resources talks about being used for what the character doesn't start play with.
> Generally speaking, if something costs two steps less than your Resources skill, you probably have one already, assuming it’s something that would make sense for you to have obtained previously.
Is that the benchmark for the FATE version of D&D's equipment choosing? Just pick your Resources rank and use that to gauge how appropriate it is to have X when it's needed?
I'm okay with this, just want to be absolutely sure before I try to sell it to my D&D-soaked players.
Because there's a big difference between a guy with a Desert Eagle and a shotgun in his trunk, and a guy with ten Desert Eagles and a shotgun strapped to each leg.
@Magician That.... is a thing.
I'm kind of afraid one of my players wants to play Burt Gummer.
So I'm concerned he'll blow up everything in sight in the physical encounters, and be worse than useless in the social ones.
