Hard to tell.

@Daniil that's good :)

morning!

:) It's pretty late where I am.

3AM? yea... :)

:)

The election has yet to start :P Relax a little ;)

I just went through the proposed questions... they seem interesting, to say the least ;)

There's a bit of overlap between a few of them though, like the ones about closing, or deleting comments :)

I think so... though if there's overlap in the top 10, I think it may be considered to consolidate 2 questions into a single broader question, and take nr. 11 too.

For example: drones.meta.stackexchange.com/a/120/94 is similar to but a bit narrower than drones.meta.stackexchange.com/a/146/94, but they're both in the top 10 right now :)

drones.meta.stackexchange.com/a/142/94 seems to overlap with drones.meta.stackexchange.com/a/128/94

I think the CMs will at least help :) We had JNat's help on the IPS questionnaire.

Nope, no clear clues at all :/ Perhaps they find it too trivial (so downvotes for 'not useful'), we've talked about it as mods a few times but see no clear solution. I hope my comment sneaks in some better votes ;)

MSE is... mysterious sometimes :|

yea

I wouldn't mind much

@Daniil Why do you think I would fix a question, then vote it down?

:P

I must admit that's outside my knowledge. You could try out some stuff in the MSE formatting sandbox or search the page to see if there's already something similar? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3122/formatting-sandbox

Looking at it, I would guess the markdown to be something similar to >! >

Hmm. Link?

What does the markdown show?

Ah. Can't see markdown there :(

Can't see their markdown there either, because the edit button is saying there's already a pending suggested edit. ;)

@Daniil have you tried >! Text ?

Oops

Three backticks either side of the Text

(Appears the markdown works in chat though)

@Kralc Aren't backticks for code blocks, not spoiler markdown?

I'm thinking that code block in spoiler might substitute for block quote by giving some visual distinction

But yes, it isn't quite what was asked for

>! <blockquote>This works?</blockquote>

^ I think that is the right solution (-:

So it is ... this must be a bug?

I posted it: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/347955

Feel free to comment saying you have the same problem - as you do!

I added the markdown, but I want the picture in case others don't have the problem.

Thanks

Heh, others have the same problem ;) It's not looking good on Chrome either. Welcome to MSE! :)

@Daniil It's that or Internet Explorer/Edge on the work laptop :)

But I use it at home too, yeah ;)

I'm old! :P

Yep :)

I had Firefox for a while, on an Ubuntu VM.

Was do-able but if you're used to Google and Chrome, you're likely to stick with that ;)

I have no secrets ;)

@Daniil A lot :P

Nah, but ... I don't care enough to make a deal out of it. I grew up with Internet Explorer, then moved to Chrome somewhere around university age...

I'm 28, almost 29.

Wrong ;)

No worries :D

People do that all the time :P

@Daniil Now read that in a David Attenborough voice ;)

@Daniil He's the one that is a voice over for a lot of nature documentaries, isn't he?

"here we see a female software developer, building a nest... ed loop"

@Daniil Vivaldi at home, Chrome at work

it's basically the same but in a different flavour

@Daniil Absolutely, Vivaldi was made for former employees of Opera (my previous browser before Opera was in the hands of a chinese company) and carries a lot of features

I think they just released one about those trackers you mention?

To block them

vivaldi.com/blog/built-in-tracker-blocker-vivaldi

to be fair, ubO does the same

so it's somewhat redundant for me

> before Opera was

*got into the hands

XD

I consider Vivaldi a power-user browser while chrome is more of a out-of-the-box browser

@Daniil There is one

Android one

iOS i don't think so?

Yeah, no iOS for now

forum.vivaldi.net/topic/38807/vivaldi-for-iphone/4

reason being this one

nvm

got confused

Whoa there... it's my turn for 135 unread messages, I suppose... :

lol @ifconfig same :)

@Daniil Party!!!

That's good news :)

@ifconfig we had about 585 users on day 25 and 26, but then gained between 10-30 users per day on days 27, 28, and 29. I was wondering if you might know where the new traffic came from? Hot Network Questions, or did Bardwell do something? Maybe a Reddit post?

@Daniil What's the good news! Secrets don't make friends!! hahaha

I honestly have no idea. Maybe just organic growth?

@NikeDattani Now that you're here... meta.stackexchange.com/questions/347947/… might be useful for you to check out in relation to drones.meta.stackexchange.com/a/154/94 and drones.meta.stackexchange.com/a/155/94 ;)

@Tinkeringbell I've always been here and been reading all comments on my posts, so if you commented earlier I would have seen it. However it's okay now: I will read that Meta thread, I might not necessarily agree with it though.

@NikeDattani Yeah, it's a bit hard to put a full q/a pair in a comment though... I'd have put that link in a comment later tonight if I hadn't spotted you talking in here :)

@ifconfig There seems to be something more though, because the number of users didn't really go up between days 25 and 26 and suddenly it's going up by 10-30 users/day.

@Tinkeringbell okay.

🤷‍♂️I haven't been able to figure it out. I still suspect organic growth from searches or word of mouth.

Has there been any recent Hot Network Questions?

@NikeDattani There's been a few over the past few days, yeah.

The one about flying a UAV with a banner popped up, there's been 2? about centers of gravity I think, and then today the one Daniil wrote about disposing of a drone as waste.

I think Daniil made a chatroom, most should be logged there :)

Oh, it went through already?! That's quick :D

@Tinkeringbell I see: so all 3 answers have been, that putting your email address in your profile can attract spam (I figured that already, I mean I figured that this was why they put @.... instead of @stackoverflow.com There's a lot of ways around that: for example putting an image of the email address instead of the email address itself. Or putting "name@company.com" or something like that. The most popular I think, is: name AT gmail DOT com.

Well, that should look good on your nomination ;)

@NikeDattani There's another thing that's important for community moderators (so not SE employees): Keep moderation in 1 place. If you have a private chat with a user in a room on SE, you keep a link to the room it was in somewhere. If you move to e-mail, you're going to be in a lot more trouble if things go south and a user starts accusing you of things you didn't do.

(That could've been an answer to your questions from a nominee, though it's not that obvious for people that aren't already moderating).

@Daniil :D Are they only doing travel, or others as well?

@Tinkeringbell It's not possible to make a private chat on Stack Exchange though, is it?

@NikeDattani It is :)

Moderators can make private chatrooms that only moderators and the people invited can see.

@Tinkeringbell Can we test that?

It's a tool that's not to be used too often though.

@NikeDattani Ehh, I'm not sure. Like I said, it's a tool that's not to be used without good cause. I don't think 'prove it exists' or 'mere curiosity' is good enough cause ;). But they do exist ;)

@Daniil Those are different from a private chat room with a user.

@NikeDattani They're not, really. They're the same kind of rooms, only for the private chat with a user you'd give the user write access :)

@Tinkeringbell A site mod once tried to make a chat room with me and a CM, and it didn't work. A user from the site came and read everything.

@NikeDattani Oof, yeah, that can get messy.

Basically, there's three 'tiers' of rooms:

- public, like this one

gallery

- gallery: visible to everyone for reading, but only the people with access can talk

and private (today I learned)

exactly.

And the response time can vary (for understandable reasons, since they're doing so much!).

Generally, we recommend users that want to have a private chat to explain their problem in a moderator flag on one of their own posts. If a moderator then dismisses it, you can use the contact-us link and explain your problem again.

I'm not sure what the response times are for directly e-mailing CMs vs. using the contact-us link... but I generally recommend contact-us ;)

@Tinkeringbell That's a suboptimal solution the way I see it... :|

@ifconfig It may be... but like I said before, it keeps all correspondence and incidents in a single place, where they can also be easily audited and less easily faked.

There's very little space available in the flag, and what about when the issue doesn't have anything to do with a question or answer? Then you are flagging a post that didn't really deserve to be flagged.

That's a good point, @Tinkeringbell

@NikeDattani You're flagging your own post, moderators are usually generous about that ;) Flags allow less characters, that's true... but they also allow for a bit more explanation at least than a public chat ping might allow if the issue is sensitive.

@Daniil Yea, I understand. But it doesn't always work.

There's a huge difference to me between 'Hey, could you open a private room with me' and a flag that states as much as 'Serious thing X happened, see e.g. < link >, can we have a chat?'

@Tinkeringbell Another problem with flagging is that all moderators see it, which doesn't work if there's some issue with one particular mod.

@ifconfig It's an important point too ;) Before I became a mod on IPS, there was a troublesome user in chat, kinda depressed... I tried keeping in contact through e-mail with them, tried to encourage them to get a job... only to hear back from another chatroom that they got a job as a scammer, because I made a remark of 'take any job!' < that was meant to mean anything from paper delivery to grocery shop clerk XD

So yeah, lesson learned: moderation and chatting goes on SE.

oo

@NikeDattani Yeah, at that point you're at contact-us levels of problems. If there's a problem with one particular mod, you're not very likely to even get a good response from a mod team, you should want to bypass any bias there ;)

@Daniil I understand. This is what I hope might be avoided more and more though. Contact Us can take a very long time to get a response, and it "escalates" the issue more than necessary (sometimes). The CMs might not even know enough about the situation to really be of much help, compared to the site mods.

I've switched to mobile, I'll be a lot slower....

But just know that keeping an e-mail open comes with risks, you gotta be very careful :)

@Daniil So things have been moving a bit fast here for me to keep up. Which is the idea of yours that I didn't like?

@NikeDattani CMs can ask people too, and they too can make private chatrooms to do so. From the few things I've seen of CMs, they're usually very thorough with this stuff.

@Tinkeringbell That's appreciated, and so far the 3 answers on Daniil's Meta post have all been about spam. My email address has been open in the public eye in thousands of places since around 2008, so I appreciate the risks.

@Daniil Like I said, anything from disgruntled users insulting you (and you can't suspend them on SE for it because it didn't happen here).. up to, if people want to be malicious, faked conversations and accusations.

@NikeDattani Have you been in a moderating position on any of them?

@Tinkeringbell There can be many parallel experiences that are all equally valid. The CM I talked to most often in Chat used to always tell me to email him rather than talk in Chat, .. there's much more to say but I have too many messages to catch up on now! Sorry everyone, that I'm so slow!

@Daniil Yea, when you hover over a message, does it not highlight which message the person responded to? On desktop it works for me, I don't know about mobile. As for your idea of keeping an email open but switching to private chat when necessarily, I clicked the "star" on it, because I liked to hear that!

@NikeDattani CMs have a company email address, that's probably easier audited than a mods private ones. No worries, I can't type that fast either. I'll make sure there'll be plenty for you to catch up on ;)

The best solution can also depend on the personality of the mod. Some mods are almost never on chat, and even less likely (pretty much 0% likely) to do a private chat with someone.

@Tinkeringbell Maybe site mods could get them too (it wouldn't cost any money), but I can imagine this would not be easy to get approved by the company. A company email address can be seen as an indication that someone is in some sense acting on behalf of the company, which is dangerous. However there could be an alternative email domain that is still owned and auditable by the company, which is not @stackexchange.com but something else.

For example Harvard Extension School doesn't give their students @harvard.edu email addresses, but gives them something else that's similar, but make it obvious that the person is not a Harvard student or employee.

@NikeDattani It's been mentioned a few times in jest, but it's seriously not an option ;)

@Tinkeringbell Of course, and I'm aware of the dangers.

@NikeDattani That's good. Well, I'd be curious to see what people will answer if those questions make the election questionnaire :)

Okay finally I'm catching on the HNQ thread, I see that there was a 24 hour period during which there were no HNQ, and that might have been why there wasn't many new users at around that time.

@Tinkeringbell It looks like they won't make it due to the downvotes.

@Daniil Congrats on getting all your rep back. That's HUGE !!!!!!!!! And I'm happy for you. Sorry it took so long to catch up on the thread. There was so many messages constantly, I never managed to catch up properly until now.

Yeah, @Daniil Congratulations on getting that back :)

From what I can tell, it was earned and well deserved, @Daniil. Really happy for you, man!

From personal experience, I can concur that child protection legislation often restricts perfectly benevolent behavior for all the good they do. :(

FYI guys: bing.com/search?form=MOZLBR&pc=MOZI&q=define+yeet

Apparently "yeet" is an official dictionary entry in the Oxford Dictionaries now.

imgur.com/a/o6S7uRb

"ORIGIN early 21st century: origin uncertain; popularized by videos on the former social media service Vine."

Yeet

lol :)