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12:08 AM
@Bookworm Hundreds of millions of people have suffered without writing any literature, innovative or otherwise. Perhaps the question should be "In authors, is literary innovation more likely after experiencing suffering than in the absence of suffering?"
12:37 AM
@Tsundoku Bayes's theorem at work!
Anyway, we have a huge sample size problem here.
12:49 AM
@Randal'Thor So we're looking for this? Likelihood of literary innovation when there has been suffering = ( ( likelihood of past suffering if there is literary innovation ) * likelihood of innovation ) / likelihood of suffering
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2:26 AM
Berzsián's opinion in Lázár Ervin's Berzsián és Dideki seems to be that the suffering is indeed necessary.
Chapter “Berzsián költő köszönti mesterét”.
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5:24 AM
@Randal'Thor My husband had at least 15 volumes. He told me that after L Frank Baum died, other writers (including his son?) continued writing (authorized) novels in that universe
I don't know how many L Frank Baum wrote himself, but you may be right it might be seven
@Mithical I don't see any problem with being locked in a library overnight
@Mithical oh okay, that makes it problematic, yes.
@Tsundoku cute!
@b_jonas ha, funny. I just voted to close that q on the grounds it's opinion based, then I saunter over here and see that you're quoting someone's opinion :-)
@Randal'Thor Maybe Barnes was worried depicting scary encounters with rats would make his novel too much like 1984?
@Tsundoku how different is Belgian French from metropolitan French? Also, how does Belgium survive without a functioning government for years on end when the US goes to hell after just four? (Though perhaps it's merely that no government at all is better than an actively evil and incompetent one. Or maybe Belgium is just full of libertarians with a point to prove.)
5:42 AM
10 hours ago, by b_jonas
@Randal'Thor More than seven. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:L._Frank_Baum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oz_books 13 sequel novels and a bunch of other works written by L. Frank Baum, and way more not written by him.
@verbose Well, that's just a fictional character's opinion.
There's probably an opinion about that by real writers too somewhere, but I don't know where right now.
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9:15 AM
Q: What does it mean for George Washington to be "a Fabius and Camillus"?

NoviceOn page 324 of David Hackett Fischer's book Washington's Crossing, there is an epigraph (quotation at the beginning of the chapter The Battle at Princeton) by Horace Walpole on George Washington's leadership at Princeton: Washington the dictator has shown himself both a Fabius and Camillus. His ...

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10:26 AM
@verbose I think that depends on how you define "Belgian French". To the extent that there is a standard of Belgian French as used in the media and official institutions, there aren't too many differences, except for obvious ones such as the words for "breakfast", "70" and "90".
@verbose However, if you compare Walloon with metropolitan French, you should find many more differences.
You don't say "le petit déjeuner"? Or soixante-dix? or quatre-vingt-dix?
and what might the differences between Walloon and met Fr be?
Breakfast = déjeuner. 70 = septante, 90 = nonante. None of the complicated nonsense ;-)
I don't know enough about Walloon dialectology to explain the differences with standard French.
oh. If breakfast is déjeuner, what's lunch?
And is eighty huitante, then?
@verbose There are many governments in Belgium: one for Flanders, one for the Brussels-Capital Region.one for the French-speaking community, one for Wallonia and one for the German-speaking community. So if you're ever short of a government, just call Belgium and they can lend you one.
Oh. I thought I had read that for many years there wasn't a government in Belgium
Here, which references other times there has been no government in Belgium
10:35 AM
@verbose dîner. 80 = quatre-vingts (I've never heard huitante, which is apparently used in Switzerland).
@verbose There was no federal governments, but we still had many other governments. So all we had at the federal level was a "government for ongoing affairs", which could not, for example, decide on the next budget, etc.
How interesting, because dîner is what I learned was the word for dinner. So what do you call the evening meal in Belgian French?
I can't access The Washington Post without paying (since GDPR, I believe). Which is why I have been ignoring it for a few years now.
@verbose That's souper.
I've heard huitante from les Québecois too, I believe.
Ah well, maybe there's no government in Belgium the way John Donne claimed there was no mayonnaise in Ireland
@Tsundoku chouette!
Well, there is definitely mayonnaise (or mayonaise in Dutch) in Belgium.
@Tsundoku That's too bad. It's the one good national paper left in the US. The Wall Street Journal is hideously right-wing; the New York Times is just a complete mess. They keep profiling Trump voters and ignoring Biden ones—even after the election—and both-sidesing every issue. I do pay for WaPo.
But I miss the Financial Times, which I used to get a paper copy of for years.
Oh well, 'moff to bed. G'nite!
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12:21 PM
@verbose No, Mith/jonas are right, it's 14 by Baum himself. I think I only read the first three and the last one. I noticed the last one had a ton of characters that I hadn't seen before, apparently ten books' worth not just three. I just pulled 7 out of the egress hatch of my digestive system, so no surprise it wasn't correct :-)
@verbose Barnes? Either I'm missing another pun, or you Freudian-slipped on Adams. (Is it a pun because the rats were in a barn?)
@Tsundoku Damn, now I discover that I should've learned Belgian French.
@Tsundoku Oh, how super!
@Randal'Thor At least you've never eaten "French fries", since those were invented in Belgium.
That's an Americanism. I always ate chips.
@Randal'Thor I know. But some people here are from the USA or learnt American English.
I always tell my continental friends that they should speak European English rather than American English ;-)
When France was opposed to the American invasion of Iraq, some Americans wanted to rename "French fries" to "freedom fries".
12:30 PM
So I heard.
I guess most Americans don't know that the statue of Liberty was a gift from France.
And that the Treaty of Paris (1783) ended the American war of independence.
^ Not the Treaty of Pittsburgh ;-)
1:08 PM
J.P. Telotte: Animating the Science Fiction Imagination. "Illuminates a body of work often omitted from science fiction history".
Rogers & Stevens (eds.): Classical Traditions in Modern Fantasy. "First collection of essays in English to focus on the overlaps between ancient Greek and Roman mythology and contemporary fantasy".
Rogers & Stevens (eds): Classical Traditions in Science Fiction. "The first comprehensive, book-length treatment of the classical tradition in science fiction."
1:29 PM
Q: "Of the mutinous forces that lie so thinly screened behind life.." - what does "screen" mean here?

John VIn a story by A. Blackwood, I am unable to find out the correct meaning of "screen" in the following sentence: Of the mutinous forces that lie so thinly screened behind life, dropping from time to time their faint, wireless messages upon the soul, Field-Martin hardly discerned the existence. In...

1:55 PM
@Tsundoku *facepalms*
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4:14 PM
@Tsundoku I don't get it :(
4:51 PM
@Gallifreyan I don't know if there is a lot to "get", but Bosch painted some famous hellscapes. See the right panels of The Garden of Earthly Delights and The Last Judgment.
5:22 PM
Sure, but wha'bou'da joke?
5:35 PM
@Tsundoku Turns out I've seen the hellscapes before
I've got a vague feeling this has something to do with the recent political changes in a certain country
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7:10 PM
@Tsundoku That's like the confusion with lunch, dinner, and supper, but pulled earlier by a few hours.
@Tsundoku Oh heck, so all three are shifted? Crazy.
@Tsundoku Is that an actual difference? Doesn't everyone order just “fries” anyway, with “French fries” a fancy word that nobody uses?
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8:31 PM
@b_jonas French fries is definitely still in use. It's also the term that Wikipedia uses.

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