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Jun 3 21:23
@Jakobian turns out its true, as shown in paper of Clontz and Dow from 2018 that there is a model of ZFC in which $\lnot \mathcal{A}(\mathfrak{c})$
Jun 1 01:38
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Q: Is $\mathcal{A}(\mathfrak{c})$ independent of $\mathrm{ZFC}$?

JakobianIn the paper Applications of limited information strategies in Menger’s game by Clontz the following definition was considered: Def. $\mathcal{A}(\kappa)$ iff for every countable subset $A\subseteq \kappa$ we can choose injective $f_A:A\to \mathbb{N}$ such that $\{x\in A\cap B : f_A(x)\neq f_B(x...

Jun 1 01:38
I gave this one a bounty of 200 too
May 18 07:34
May 18 07:33
:( I got this question from Simmons, maybe I am misinterpreting it?
Jan 14 17:19
Yes
Jan 14 16:44
Is every $\sigma$-complete free ultrafilter also $\mathfrak{m}$-complete, where $\mathfrak{m}$ is the first measurable cardinal?
Dec 20, 2024 23:11
@not_a_math_guy it has a full section dedicated to it. I doubt the newcomers would get confused if they were to scroll down a little bit
Dec 20, 2024 17:53
Munkres defines order relation as something which is non-reflexive (along with other properties) and provides the name "simple order" or "linear order" for it. While on $\href{en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_order}{wikipedia}$ it is mentioned that "simply/linearly" ordered set terms can be used for "totally ordered" set but their definition of totally ordered set contains reflexivity hence it can not be a "order relation".
Jun 24, 2024 10:37
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A: Compactness of the Hilbert cube without the Axiom of Choice

GoldsternThe compactness of the Hilbert cube follows (without AC) from the compactness of $2^\omega$, since $[0,1]$ as well as $[0,1]^\omega$ are continuous images of $2^\omega$. (Conversely, $2^\omega$ is a closed subset of the Hilbert cube.) The compactness of $2^\omega$ is just König's lemma for tr...

Apr 21, 2024 18:40
@MartinSleziak Do we know if there can be a model of ZF with $AC$ false but $B_K$ true for some field $K$?
Apr 21, 2024 18:38
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Q: Bases of complex vector spaces and the axiom of choice

Martin BrandenburgIn Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory $ZF$ consider the following statement defined for every field $K$: $B_K$ : Every vector space over $K$ has a basis. It is well-known that $AC \Rightarrow \forall K (B_K)$. A. Blass proved the converse. In his paper from 1984 he said that for a fixed field $K$, th...

Jan 28, 2024 06:34
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Sep 8, 2023 20:41
Let $\mathbf{S} = \{0, 1\}^{\omega_1}$ have the lexicographic order, and $\mathbf{R}\subseteq \mathbf{S}$ be the set of those $x$ for which $\{\alpha < \omega_1 : x_\alpha = 0\}$ has no maximum and $x\neq 0_\mathbf{S}, 1_\mathbf{S}$, the minimum and maximum of $\mathbf{S}$. How can one show that $\mathbf{R}$ contains a copy of $\mathbf{S}$?
Aug 18, 2023 13:59
In predicate logic, existential instantiation (also called existential elimination) is a rule of inference which says that, given a formula of the form ( ∃ x ) ϕ ( x ) {\displaystyle (\exists x)\phi (x)} , one may infer ϕ ( c ) {\displaystyle \phi (c)} for a new constant symbol c. The rule has the restrictions that the constant c introduced by the rule must be a new term that has not occurred earlier in the proof, and it also must not...
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Jan 19, 2023 06:57
@user76284 Let EST have axioms of extensionality, empty set, pairing, union, ∀x,y∃z(z=x×y), Δ₀-separation, and induction along ω. Then EST+Vopenka's principle recovers replacement and powerset. researchgate.net/publication/…
Jan 16, 2023 15:54
Another question: Are there any interesting theories without powerset that have the consistency strength of ZF or greater?
Dec 23, 2022 18:40
would there be a book where I could find a formalization of what it means to have "true objects" vs. "syntactic objects" in a universe?
Dec 23, 2022 18:39
From a comment from OP in math.stackexchange.com/questions/139330/… asking why aren't sets and classes the same thing, Asaf Karagila answers "Because sets are actual things in your universe. Classes are collections which are not actual objects in the universe. These are formulas, syntactic objects."
Feb 3, 2021 07:13
Just a reminder - to read MathJax/LaTeX in chat you can use the bookmarklet mentioned in this post on meta or go directly to robjohn's website: math.ucla.edu/~robjohn/math/mathjax.html
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Jan 28, 2021 08:52
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Aug 27, 2022 05:23
I'll just repeat again that there is some discussion about starting a study group: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/138052/…
Jul 27, 2022 00:05
It sounds like maybe we have a few more people interested in doing some graduate set theory? I'm interested in all of stuff in the first section of Jech, not just forcing. But I'm not set on Jech and would be open to other books such as Kunen. I've worked with both books to some extent, and have a slight preference for Jech's style. I was able to download a pdf of Jech, btw.
Jul 26, 2022 05:33
Anyone interested in forming a study group to go through Jech's big set theory book over the course of a few months?
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Jul 16, 2022 07:07
Hello, I saw a claim online that Arai's 2019 preprint "A simplified analysis of first-order reflection" (arxiv.org/abs/1907.07611) contains errors. The claim is on this blog post bit.ly/3c87nnK, since it's written in Japanese I have used Google Translate, hopefully there are no errors in translation. As I understand it their claim is since ψ^(1,0,...,0)_K_n(2) = K_n, the map to the ordinal notation is non-injective so Lemma 3.8 fails. Does this impact the rest of the analysis?
Feb 5, 2022 10:09
@MartinSleziak also how to prove using choice that if A surjects into B then B injects into A? Any refs for the proof?
Feb 5, 2022 09:37
And also you've not given any argument why this holds. (You probably considered this obvious - still, since D-finite can behave oddly, I thought that I should be careful about what is considered obvious.)
Feb 5, 2022 08:57
Especially considering that we are warned that the notions of D-finite and D-infinite sets might behave strangely. For example, the first point in Disaster 4.3: "D–finite unions of D–finite sets may be D–infinite."
Feb 4, 2022 10:47
And is it really that much work to use the link I've given above and download it?
Feb 4, 2022 10:46
@Logic Why don't you simply follow the link and check for yourself?
Feb 4, 2022 08:51
can one prove in ZF that a if there is no injection from N to a set M then M is dedekind finite?
Jan 30, 2022 08:58
Does choice for collections of finite sets hold, if choice for collections of infinite sets hold?
Jan 28, 2022 06:24
Does proof 4 here proofwiki.org/wiki/Infinite_Set_has_Countably_Infinite_Subset look fine to you @MartinSleziak ?
Jan 25, 2022 08:10
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Q: A countable union of finite sets (ZF)

LogicI learnt that the following theorem (in ZFC): A countable union of countable sets is countable can not be proven in ZF, all proofs must use some choice. This made me wonder whether we can prove: A countable union of finite sets is countable in ZF. So my question is does ZF prove this?

Jan 25, 2022 07:16
I asked on main @Martin Sleziak
Jan 25, 2022 04:34
@Martin Sleziak Can one prove that the countable union of finite sets is countable in ZF
Nov 23, 2021 11:51
Of course, it is not necessary to restrict the search on this site - on could search for the same keywords in Google, Google Books, Google Scholar.
Nov 17, 2021 08:33
The discussion is below this answer: Bijection between $\mathbb N^{\mathbb N}$ and $2^{\mathbb N}$. (I am just adding a link in case somebody who visits this room wants to see more about that.)
Nov 17, 2021 08:32
@Math There is a bijection between $2^\mathbb{N}$ and $n^\mathbb{N}$. The key is to consider binary encodings of numbers $1..n$. Read only enough bits from the input sequence to specify the first element of the output sequence, and use the remaining bits to construct the rest. For instance, take $n = 3$. If the input sequence starts with a $0$, the first element of the output sequence is $2$. If the input starts with $11$ or $10$, the first element of the output sequence is 3 or 1 respectively. — Mark Saving 16 hours ago
Nov 17, 2021 08:32
@MarkSaving If I understand correctly a possible encoding for 6 is $0-00;1-01;2-100;3-11;4-1011;5-1010$ — Math 16 hours ago
Nov 17, 2021 08:32
@Math Yes, that's one way to do it. In retrospect, an easier way might be to encode $n$ as a string of $n - 1$ zeroes and encode $i < n$ as a string of $i$ zeroes followed by a 1. No binary required for that method. — Mark Saving 15 hours ago
Nov 17, 2021 08:31
it is a good idea it was given to me by mark saving on main
Nov 17, 2021 08:27
ok for 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 map 0-1,1-01,2-001,3-0001.... so on until 8 then map 9-000000000
Nov 17, 2021 08:23
@MartinSleziak map base 3 sequences by 1-01 2-001 3-000
Nov 15, 2021 14:49
Is there a nice bijection between the set of a functions N->{0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} and the set of all functions N->{0,1} ?
Nov 15, 2021 14:23
Well, not really.
Oct 26, 2021 08:36
countable sets generally avoid choice
Oct 26, 2021 08:33
Well, I don't want you to ping me constantly - that's becoming more and more annoying. But we can't have what we wish for.
Oct 18, 2021 17:01
I do not really know much about constructive mathematics, so I won't be tell you about the constructive/non-constructive distinction. (Although I am not sure whether you're using constructive in the technical sense of the word.)
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