Third chat cast - Expanding our scope - 2013-02-09 – Conversation in Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

Conversation started Feb 9, 2013 at 20:36.

Madara Uchiha

Feb 9, 2013 20:36

I'd like to bring up another subject

Should we expand our scope?

Krazer

@MadaraUchiha How so?

Madara Uchiha

I think we can accept anime-like series to a certain limit, as well as anime-style games.

Krazer

@MadaraUchiha I think we can as long as they are not too obscure

Logan M

Anime-like series I'm okay with. Anime-style games I'm okay with for story-related questions, but not gameplay ones.

But it's a matter of scale. I think tower-of-god counts as anime-style, but I'm not sure about avatar-the-last-airbender

Krazer

which bring up the question... should we also expand our scope to include manga-like series korean manhwa and chinese manhua

Madara Uchiha

Feb 9, 2013 20:40

@Krazer I actually don't think we'll get many questions from those realms

@LoganM I think that avatar-the-last-airbender qualifies.

It's clearly anime-based in style, and it does display anime-charasteristics

Logan M

@Krazer I think we should, but these communities are an order of magnitude smaller than the Japanese anime fanbase so I think we'll never have very many questions like that even if we allow it.

Madara Uchiha

An even bigger problem is the fact that we can't really "support" these questions

We don't have (m)any users who can reliably answer such questions

Logan M

@MadaraUchiha I haven't seen it, so I can't say for certain. But there are some anime-style cartoons that I wouldn't really want on this site, e.g. Samurai Jack.

Madara Uchiha

@LoganM Samurai Jack isn't anime-style at all

It's more of a Chinese style drawing really

Logan M

@MadaraUchiha Wikipedia says that it borrows older anime styles:

Samurai Jack

Samurai Jack is an American animated television series created by Genndy Tartakovsky for Cartoon Network. The series follows "Jack", a time-displaced samurai warrior, in his singular quest to find a method of traveling back in time and defeating the tyrannical demon Aku. Episode plots range from dark and epic to lighthearted and comic, but often contain little dialogue. Stories instead rely on the series' highly detailed, outline-free, masking-based animation, as well as its cinematic style and pacing. Many battle scenes in the series are reminiscent of samurai films, and since Jack's robo...

Krazer

Feb 9, 2013 20:46

specifically here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Madara Uchiha

Where is the limit drawn?

I want to expand our scope so that we can successfully receive questions from other sites as well

Logan M

@Krazer lol the links we posted point to the same paragraph.

Anyway the bigger problem with Avatar is that if we allow it, we may get flooded with these questions. From what I understand it's rather popular. Maybe we can allow it as a trial run, and if we start getting lots of questions about it (i.e. more than Naruto levels) we'll have to stop it.

Krazer

@LoganM lol

We can make a note in meta that this is a trial run

Madara Uchiha

Is that acceptable with everyone?

@Mysticial I haven't heard your opinion on this yet.

Mysticial

Before we jump into this, how big is this Avatar community.

If it's big enough, I actually don't want to open this door until we have a sufficiently large population to avoid being taken over.

Logan M

Feb 9, 2013 20:51

It is still hard to draw a line. Both shows (Avatar and Jack) are not anime, according to every reputable source, and both are inspired by anime. I don't see any practical general policy which would include one and exclude the other.

Madara Uchiha

Mysticial

That's not a fair comparison.

Put in the full naruto name. Or whatever it is.

Madara Uchiha

As a very rough measurement.

@Mysticial Naruto is the full name.

Mysticial

You could also try just "avatar". Yes it'll get a lot of false positives, but if it's still smaller than naruto... then that says something.

Madara Uchiha

It's literally all about the movie

Mysticial

Feb 9, 2013 20:55

Well, the difference is that Avatar isn't a "cartoon".

Madara Uchiha

The ATLAB Wikia is at page 7.

Mysticial

If you want to make that the line - that's perfectly fine with me.

Madara Uchiha

@Mysticial How is it not a cartoon?

Logan M

The Naruto one will pick up lots of non-english stuff, while the Avatar community is mostly english-speaking

Mysticial

@MadaraUchiha I haven't seen the movie. But looking at all the images and posters I've seen, it looks a bit too realistic to be a "cartoon".

Madara Uchiha

Feb 9, 2013 20:57

@Mysticial You're talking about the movie, or the Last Airbender?

Mysticial

@MadaraUchiha I have no idea. Since I'm not familiar at all with the whole franchise.

Madara Uchiha

@Mysticial There the Avatar movie (large blue people), which has nothing to do with it

Mysticial

So I might not be the best person to make this call.

Krazer

I personally think this anime vs cartoon discussion is just silly.

Madara Uchiha

There's the Avatar the Last Airbender series, which is a cartoon

Logan M

Feb 9, 2013 20:58

Let's not start the "Are anime and cartoons actually different?" debate here again. We did that once on the main site and it's our most controversial post to date. If every third meta post is arguing about this, I think that would be a really bad outcome.

Madara Uchiha

Okay

Mysticial

@MadaraUchiha oh... haha. I didn't know that existed. I'm an idiot.

Krazer

Lets let the users decide this.. if it gets too out of hand we can step in

Madara Uchiha

Agreed.

Mysticial

Our site name already implies that we're mainly for Japanese-style Anime.

Madara Uchiha

Feb 9, 2013 20:59

Okay then

Mysticial

Whether we want to stay that way or branch out is a call that we'll have to make at some point.

Madara Uchiha

Let's wrap up

On the subject of expanding our scope

Krazer

As long as we make note that anime inspired things are okay, but just don't make it the main topic

Madara Uchiha

We have decided to allow anime-like cartoons such as avatar-the-last-airbender as a pilot.

We have also decided to allow story and plot related questions in anime-style games.

That pretty much sums it up

Conversation ended Feb 9, 2013 at 21:01.

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