Conversation started Jan 31, 2012 at 17:00.
Jan 31, 2012 17:00
Background for today's meeting:
@IsaacMoses (I know. I was kidding. Actually, I'm older than you, I believe, and Vietnam predates me by a bit.)
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Q: Interested in having Stack Exchange provide free food and stuff for your group?

Isaac MosesThe Stack Exchange Ambassadors program provides free food and Stack Exchange swag to student and teacher groups who agree to promote relevant Stack Exchange sites. We have an offer on the table to expand the program to Judaism.SE. The particulars are subject to negotiation, but basically, we'd a...

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Q: Site Promotion Planning Meeting - Tuesday, Dec. 27

Isaac MosesThere will be a meeting in our chat room on Tuesday, December 27, at 18:00 UTC / 20:00 IST / 13:00 EST to discuss the next steps in promoting this site to the outside world. Anyone interested is welcome to attend and contribute. Abby T. Miller and possibly other SE staff will be there. SE has bu...

@Laura Welcome! Thanks for coming.
We're here!
Okidoke, let's get started.
Jan 31, 2012 17:00
OK
@ArielK, are you involved in any student groups at YU that would be a good fit for our stuff?
I'm in the CS club and I write for commentator. I can also contact SOY the yeshiva org.
(Note: Commentator is the student-run newspaper for the men's campus.)
@ArielK CS = Computer Science. SOY = Student Organization of the Yeshiva = Student Council?
Yes, sorry it wasn't clear
Jan 31, 2012 17:02
@AbbyTMiller welcome! Thanks for coming.
oh wait its not the student council of the college
Cool, thanks for the clarification.
@ArielK Is the CS club interested in things like using technology in the study of Torah?
it's the student group of the yeshiva
@ArielK (of Yeshiva Program, you mean?) Anyway, I guess what's important here (others can contradict me) is how broad SOY's influence is
Jan 31, 2012 17:04
i think SOY might be for all Jewish stuff on the men's campus. not sure exactly.
yes, the CS club was somewhat interested.
its not exactly a computers thing, but close enough
Okay. @ArielK Does anything come to you off the top of your head in terms of which group would be most excited about Stack Exchange or how you could present it to them? Or do you need us to help you come up with specific ideas for events?
@SE folks, do these events usually happen in already-existing groups, or is creating an event for the general student population also an option?
Both are options.
It's usually easier to present to an existing group because you have a guaranteed audience, but you can create a special event if you think it'll generate interest
the event can be "sponsored" by both SOY and the CS club, and everyone from YU can be invited.
I wasn't sure exactly what the event should consist of.
What happens at such events?
Jan 31, 2012 17:06
many events have speakers
and often free food...
@ArielK, does the CS club have regular meetings that the membership comes to as a matter of course?
@IsaacMoses ...which, then, SE stuff can be distributed at prominently?
not that frequently, but were a small club. we had a short one recently, and i mentioned this event
u can look at YU's official event calendar here: home.yu.edu/events
@ArielK How small is "small club"? How many people come to a typical meeting?
What about a co-sponsored party with free food, swag, a short intro speech, and a bunch of laptop kiosks open to Jewish Life and Learning so people can take a look and try it out, perhaps with one or more on projectors?
Jan 31, 2012 17:08
or a unofficial version here : yubacon.org though that's sort-of a joke
Let's back up a minute. What is the goal of doing an event at YU? Are you guys looking for a large influx of new users? Getting a handful of really dedicated, enthusiastic users? Just spreading brand awareness?
were around 8 people
@ArielK Ah, so that wouldn't be the forum.
@Laura A large influx of really dedicated, enthusiastic users, preferably :)
@Laura All of the above, especially the latter, AFAICT. (Though the 1st and the last are much the same.)
Jan 31, 2012 17:09
i assume it would be to get both
or even just people to know about it and occasionally look at it
@Laura YU's population is pretty much exactly our target audience: committed to Judaism both in practice and in study on a daily basis and also college-aged and therefore internet-connected
Ok, so with that in mind, it's really hard to get a large group of people to become active participants. Especially talking to them in person. However, having an event where you both demonstrate how the site works, and provide time for attendees to try it out, should be a great way to give them a strong impression of the site and the community.
Yes, that's a great point @IsaacMoses
2 mins ago, by Isaac Moses
What about a co-sponsored party with free food, swag, a short intro speech, and a bunch of laptop kiosks open to Jewish Life and Learning so people can take a look and try it out, perhaps with one or more on projectors?
And also keep in mind that you don't have to talk to every single student at YU; if a few people get excited about it, word-of-mouth will do a lot of the legwork for you
@msh210 Yes. This is a great idea, and I think it's the right approach for what you want to achieve
Jan 31, 2012 17:12
OK, just a short intro speech about the site, or on some general topic too?
That is up to you. It depends on what you think the rest of the student population is interested in.
Whatever will get their attention enough to attend the event and then keep them there for the duration :)
what have other events like this had?
it might help if the official StackExchange sponsorship is highlighted in some way
@ArielK I'd emphasize "short" above all else. A bunch of projectorated kiosks in use would say more about the site, more effectively, than a speaker.
@ArielK Maybe Joel could attend? :)
Usually, our ambassadors work with study groups. So they'll be small groups, and the leader of the study group (whether it was formed specifically to promote SE or already existed) will demo the site. The group will use it to help with their studying
We can send t-shirts, stickers, etc. Free stuff to give away, with SE branding.
@IsaacMoses OTOH, milling and explaining how things work as people are at the kiosks can be important. A site should be self-explanatory, and SE's pretty good in that regard, but.
Jan 31, 2012 17:14
Joel could come for the next event...
(we had someone from Google last year)
@msh210 Well sure; it's not like ArielK would then disappear.
Oh man, if we had Joel-clones to send to every event there wouldn't be anyone NOT using the .SE network
@IsaacMoses Joel Spolsky or Richard Joel? :-)
@ArielK, do you know any other SE users at YU who could help?
no, but i assume they are probably are some
theres also someone working on a torah wiki, i can ask him
(halachipedia.com)
Jan 31, 2012 17:16
@KateyHW In this case, there's some extra motivation for him, since he's interested in Judaism personally.
@ArielK There are, but if they don't self-identify I think my hands are tied.
@IsaacMoses Joel's going to be traveling a lot for speaking engagements for the next few weeks
yes, but he went to ycombinator
as in he was
@ArielK Sorry?
Jan 31, 2012 17:17
Slaks inst in YU this semester
isnt*
@Laura Yeah, I know; he's busy. YU is in Manhattan, though, so perhaps one of you CHAOS folks may want to show up.
@Laura So, do you think the party idea is less ideal? @ArielK, do you know of any such study groups?
Is there any chance of being able to get him? then it can be an event for StackExchange in general and specific sites on it
@ArielK Perhaps I'm being a bit parochial here, but I think I'd prefer for you to focus on J.SE.
well theres obviously a large number of people studying Talmud, but I don't know if the site really deals with those types of questions now
OK
I think one person who uses the Judaism.SE site is plenty - and we have honestly found that users from the communities themselves are more trustworthy and useful than brand-representatives.
Jan 31, 2012 17:20
OK, but it probably wont be such a big event
And as awesome as it would be to have Joel at events like these, he's pretty busy with CEO-ing.
yes I was just asking..
It doesn't have to be huge; like I said, if you can get a core group of people who really understand the site and love it, they'll tell people
@KateyHW That's fine. Other YU students who participate here would probably come out of the woodwork for an advertised event anyway.
Yeah that seems likely.
Jan 31, 2012 17:22
but so far its just a 2-min intro to what the site is
3 mins ago, by Isaac Moses
@Laura So, do you think the party idea is less ideal? @ArielK, do you know of any such study groups?
@ArielK Don't forget the kiosks!
(Sorry, I know Isaac posted that recently, but I didn't want it to get lost.)
@IsaacMoses Right, that'd be the most important part.
Having an event with 20 people or so (or even fewer) and being able to answer every single question is more effective than talking at 300 people and having most of them not really understand why the site is awesome
Jan 31, 2012 17:23
@IsaacMoses @msh210 I'm sorry, I don't really know what you mean when you say "Party idea".
often they have small events at lunch with free pizza
@Laura Open to the public, free food, kiosks. Sponsored by a group or two but not exclusive to their membership
@Laura bunch of kiosks open to the public so people can try out the site (I assume @IsaacMoses was using "party" in the sense of "LAN party"?)
@ArielK Who does, for whom, and with what content?
I'm not sure if the groups have money now, theres a bit of a shortage. but they can send out an email to YU and get some signs for it.
Jan 31, 2012 17:25
@ArielK SE is willing to put up some money for this.
the events at YU often have free pizza if they are by lunchtime
If you have an event to promote Stack Exchange, we will pay for the food, flyers, etc.
right, the groups sponsoring it I assume will help with getting out the word
@ArielK Are they in a public cafeteria, with random people stopping by for the free food? Is there content?
no they are normally in a classroom if its small or a larger room for big events
no people don't come for the food and leave
Jan 31, 2012 17:26
great. So a classroom with a computer/projector, pizza, and some SE swag
@ArielK OK, well that sounds like a good format, then.
open to everyone
right
but if there's a group you think might be especially interested, have them co-sponsor and help spread the word
OK, so I think we have some consensus on format.
Jan 31, 2012 17:27
just wondering if theres some extra thing that could be added
and then you can give a 15-minute demo of the site...very briefly what SE is and how the mechanics of the site work, then dive into a couple of questions and answers you think are applicable/interesting for your audience?
what kind of extra thing?
@Laura That sounds like a good idea.
@ArielK, could you please look into what steps you need to take to get this set up?
well i guess there won't be another speaker so idk maybe a short video
though i guess that's not really necessary
@ArielK I think it's not.
I'll prob be able to demonstrate the site in 5 minutes
Jan 31, 2012 17:29
Needed: Co-sponsoring organizations, room, food and cost estimate, advertising plan
@ArielK Not if it's at the start of the event: you want to take longer for the sake of latecomers. :-)
OK ill try to get that info
@ArielK i would imagine that more interesting than demonstrating the site would be talking about some of the specific questions that the audience might find interesting
@CHAOS, I'm not sure if it'd be necessary, but could we get Jin to help design a flyer?
OK, i could show some of those
Jan 31, 2012 17:30
@AbbyTMiller ... and, inter alia, demonstrating the site.
We actually do have a video you can show...a brief intro to Stack Exchange
@IsaacMoses exactly! sneaky intros :)
the event could also be used as an opportunity to try increase the amount of high-level or talmud questions.
@IsaacMoses If we have enough notice, then we can probably get Jin to help
@ArielK yes! you can maybe make talmud the topic of the week maybe the week before your event, and then encourage your event attendees to ask their questions (even right there at the event)
Jan 31, 2012 17:32
OK, so ill ask the heads of the computer club and SOY about scheduling the evnt and cost
@ArielK perhaps a few weekly topics about related questions in the weeks coming up to the event
er, what @Laura said
@ArielK Great; thanks. Please emphasize that the main thing we need from them is the legwork and promotional support. The funding is, I think, going to be all from SE.
@Laura The problem is that the few Talmud questions we've had have been among the least answered.... Of course, that can change with a YU influx.
OK, so i guess it will be scheduled for some time later in February?
@msh210 They're longer-tail questions, because you really have to be into that topic to answer intelligently or even to really get the question.
@ArielK Whatever makes sense to you and your cooperating organizations, I'd say.
Jan 31, 2012 17:35
@ArielK Whenever you can. IMO it's not worth waiting on Jin's availability for designing copy. What does everyone else think?
@IsaacMoses Right. And many people at YU study the same topics at the same time, so that might work.
@msh210 Agreed. I'm sure that the ability to make a workable flyer exists in the CS club or SOY.
YU does have a large group learning the same topic so that could work.
right
@ArielK It would be awesome if YU students could flood the site with Q&A on whatever part of the Talmud they're all into.
OK, so I'll email @IsaacMoses in a few days with more info
OK
@ArielK Please also CC: (everyone who wants a CC please say so)
Jan 31, 2012 17:37
@IsaacMoses me, please: mailbox is msh210 ; server is gmail.com
please cc me and katey and laura (our first names at stackexchange.com)
OK, got it. so we'll be int ouch
@ArielK, regarding the Commentator, I think it'd make the most sense to have a reporter from there cover the event. Probably better if it's not you.
OK, I'll see if they have nay interest in it
@ArielK Thanks so much for volunteering to do this! This could be a big help to the site!
Jan 31, 2012 17:39
Yes, @ArielK, thanks very much.
Your welcome. we'll speak
@ArielK There's gotta be someone on staff who'll want the free lunch.
lol. we'll see
@AbbyTMiller @KateyHW @Laura, thanks very much for your ongoing help.
Oh and @ArielK, as a long time DMB fan I enjoyed the article about the band and its horrible fans that was in the issue that was linked to in the last chat event.
Jan 31, 2012 17:41
No problem. Excited to see how this turns out :)
@IsaacMoses Yes, what he said!
Thanks for having us, everyone.
Move to adjourn
@IsaacMoses 2d.
OK, thanks again, everyone, especially @ArielK.
 
Conversation ended Jan 31, 2012 at 17:43.