Conversation started May 9, 2012 at 17:32.
May 9, 2012 17:32
Begin Parashat Hashavua' Chat #21 - Emor / B'har 5772
Well, I got notified but I don't know why and what's going on here.
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Q: Parashat Hashavua' Chat

Isaac MosesOur first Parashat Hashavua' (weekly Torah portion) Chat, despite the fact that it was advertised only minimally, turned out to be a lively, interesting discussion. So, why not do it again every week? Where: The Judaism.SE chat room When: Wednesdays at 17:30 UTC (19:30 in Israel; 12:30 in New Y...

@NeilFein You may also wish to change the background color to match the site (unless that's transparency and it's just not showing up here)
May 9, 2012 17:35
Anyone have something to start us off with?
Ok...How about: why are all the Moadim (holidays) mentioned here in Emor right among all the Temple oriented laws, especially if this listing omits the most Temple-oriented aspect of the holidays: the Korban Mussaf (which is found in Parshat Pinchas)?
@NeilFein The typeface for the Community Bulletin is Georgia. Which typeface were you trying to emulate?
@DoubleAA In a way, actually, I'd say they're sort of a new section of laws - ones that apply only in Eretz Yisrael (see Menachos 4:3) - and then it continues with Shemittah and Yovel. Except that wouldn't explain what ch. 24, about the menorah, lechem hapanim and the blasphemer is doing in between.
@Alex Also Erchin, Temura and Maaser Behema at the end. Those revert back to the Temple theme.
In (perhaps temporary) absence of further discussion on that topic, allow me to ask about 25:8: what's with the repetition? Count seven weeks of years: seven sevens of years. Those seven weeks of years will be forty-nine years for you.
Rashi explains the second half (presumably quoting some midrash halacha), but the first half is itself repetitive.
Again, Rashi explains why it can't say only "count seven weeks of years" (though I'm not sure I get his reasoning), but it presumably could say only "count seven sevens of years".
May 9, 2012 17:52
@msh210 Sounds reminiscent of the weeks/days situation by sefirat haomer.
It needs to tell us to count each year, and to count each group of seven years.
@DoubleAA Is that a mitzva? If so, is it from this pasuk?
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@msh210 Chinuch #330
@DoubleAA Also, maybe without it saying שבע שבתות שנים (where שבתות has the dual meaning "weeks" and "Shabbasos") we'd think that shemittah isn't necessarily every seventh year, just that there's years 1-6, then shemittah, then 49 years (with no shemittos) and then yovel. Adding those words clarifies that each group of seven years has to have a Shabbos.
@Alex 42, you mean, I think, but, yeah, plausible.
@Alex Maybe, but I think that Hava Amina would be a weak pshat.
It just said 6&1 and now it tells you to count in groups of 7. That doesn't sound like much of a coincidence.
May 9, 2012 17:58
@DoubleAA It's also an odd hava amina to suppose that there should be seven shemittos consecutively (Rashi quoting Toras Kohanim).
@Alex Yes, I thought so, too.
Returning to the discussion earlier about what Parshas Hamoados is doing here: I see where Sforno (to 23:2) says that Shabbos and the holidays, like the korbanos discussed in ch. 22 (and earlier chapters), are meant to cause the shechinah to rest among us. So it mainly focuses on them being מקראי קדש, "called times" for Torah study, and not so much on the korbanos (so that we don't get the mistaken impression that those are paramount).
In that case, then, maybe we can say that the entire section from chs. 18-23, at least, is on this topic: being holy so that the shechinah can rest on us. (Then follows the part about the menorah, which as Rashi to 24:3 says is "testimony to the world" that this is indeed the case.)
What a great avatar @Alex.
@Gigili Thanks.
May 9, 2012 18:21
I think I'm going to pack it in early - big day tomorrow, bez"h.
We all know these parashiyos so perfectly that there's nothing further to discuss.
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@Alex Good night.
@msh210 thanks, be well
b'etzem hayom haze (23:28-30)
@HodofHod I just used white for now. Will make a transparent one if I can get the Illustrator artwork.
End Parashat Hashavua' Chat #21 - Emor / B'har 5772
 
Conversation ended May 9, 2012 at 18:30.