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yo'
yo'
Aug 5, 2022 08:04
Hi, can someone please try this example in their TL2022? We seem to have some issues with it. (And yes, I'm aware that romannum hasn't been updated for 18 years, we just wanna know whether it's us or not...) 
\listfiles
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{romannum}
\begin{document}
Hello! \Romannum{6}
\end{document}
mickep
mickep
@yo' Compiles here, with result "Hello! VI"
yo'
yo'
@mickep can you please post the listfiles?
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@yo' Joseph could tell you something about not terminated roman numerals ;-) 
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{romannum}

\renewcommand{\romannum}[1]{%
  \ifnum#1<1
    \ifnum#1=0
      o%
    \else
      -\romannumeral -#1 %space!
    \fi
  \else
    \romannumeral #1 %space!
  \fi}
\begin{document}
Hello! \Romannum{6}
\end{document}
mickep
mickep
*File List*
article.cls 2021/10/04 v1.4n Standard LaTeX document class
size10.clo 2021/10/04 v1.4n Standard LaTeX file (size option)
romannum.sty 2009/09/03 v1.0b roman numerals
stdclsdv.sty 2009/09/04 v1.1a Sectional divisions
l3backend-pdftex.def 2022-04-20 L3 backend support: PDF output (pdfTeX)
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yo'
yo'
@UlrikeFischer oh gosh! Thanks a lot :-)
Well, the maintainer is Will Robertson, so we have someone to blame :-)
(^^ @DavidCarlisle Did I do it right?)
@mickep thanks. We got l3backend-pdftex.def 2022-07-01
mickep
mickep
Aug 5, 2022 08:13
@yo' Oh, you mean I have not updated my latex. Probably right. :)
yo'
yo'
@mickep Yeah. We did and it spiced up our testing :-)
mickep
mickep
@yo' Now I upgraded, and now it hangs on your file...
yo'
yo'
@mickep yeah, try @UlrikeFischer's modification above :)
mickep
mickep
@yo' Yes, she is of course way ahead of me :)
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@yo' there is a repo here github.com/wspr/herries-press.
mickep
mickep
Aug 5, 2022 08:17
So, something changed and now one has to have those spaces there. Interesting.
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@mickep \MakeUppercase changed and now chokes on not terminated \romannumerals. @JosephWright answered a similar question yesterday on the texlive list.
mickep
mickep
@UlrikeFischer Ah, OK.
yo'
yo'
And another "funny" one :) 
\documentclass{report}
%\usepackage[galician]{babel}
\begin{document}
\pagenumbering{roman}
Hello!
\end{document}
Oh why does a specific babel language redefine \@roman ?!
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Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@yo' same problem. We seem to have developed a tool to find not terminated romannumerals. 
\documentclass{report}
\usepackage[galician]{babel}

\makeatletter
\addto\layoutgalician{%
  \def\gl@roman#1{\protect\gl@msc{\romannumeral#1 }}}%
\begin{document}
\pagenumbering{roman}
Hello!
\end{document}
yo'
yo'
@UlrikeFischer yeah, and the same for some other babel languages -- seems to be a common topic :) I wonder whether it's best to file issues or fork and file PRs directly...
In babel-spanish (spanish.dtx): 
\es@ifoption{ucroman}
  {\def\es@romandef{%
     \def\esromanindex##1##2{##1{\uppercase{##2}}}%
     \def\@roman{\@Roman}}}
  {\def\es@romandef{%
     \def\esromanindex##1##2{##1{\es@scroman{##2}}}%
     \def\@roman##1{\es@roman{\number##1}}%
     \def\es@roman##1{%
       \es@babeltexpdf{\es@scroman{\romannumeral##1}}{\@Roman{##1}}}%
     \DeclareRobustCommand\es@scroman{\es@xlsc\uppercase\@firstofone}}}
\es@optlayout{lcroman}{\es@romandef}
\newcommand\spanishlcroman{\def\@roman##1{\romannumeral##1}}
Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
Aug 5, 2022 08:37
@yo' they could work in normal documents, but a few spaces wouldn't hurt to make it safe.
yo'
yo'
@UlrikeFischer but well, any time someone does \Roman, it breaks :-(
mickep
mickep
@yo' As @PauloCereda would say: What good has the \Romans done for us?
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Ulrike Fischer
Ulrike Fischer
@yo' I made a few tests but didn't get a loop. But report it anyway, Javier should look at it.
yo'
yo'
@UlrikeFischer maybe it's something slightly more complex for the one I have in Spanish, I'll look into it more
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@UlrikeFischer github.com/latex3/latex3/pull/1120/commits/… - proof that the code basically works for pdfTeX :)
yo'
yo'
Aug 5, 2022 09:27
@UlrikeFischer \MakeUppercase{\roman{...}} fails: 
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[spanish]{babel}
\begin{document}
Hello! \MakeUppercase{\roman{page}}
\end{document}
And it's questionable whether a package should need this. In this case it's in newspaper
 
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