Conversation started Jul 24, 2015 at 6:30.
Jul 24, 2015 06:30
Secret history: Feedback Tools.app was a predecessor –
– it's redundant (nonfunctional with Mavericks, and so on) but I kept it for posterity.
 
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Jul 24, 2015 12:07
@grgarside - Thank you! icloud.com/#iclouddrive works on Firefox Win 7.
@grgarside - But it did not work on Firefox Win XP, neither on Safari iOS. I see there that Keynote is in "beta", so I will not wander go inside. That may explain the dead ends. But, when saving my presentations to my iCloud Drive, Keynote did not mention "beta".
@grgarside iS the public or dev beta? Because I'm on the public one, and don't have it, or News.
@grgarside @grgarside - What is "the standard keynote file browser"?
@grgarside - About Exchange: What MDM agreement? When I set up an Exchange connection in Mail? I do not remember accepting an agreement there.
@grgarside - Anyway, this is frightening. I have reported this as a security issue to Apple.
 
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Jul 24, 2015 16:00
@abbyhairboat Wonderful!
@GrahamPerrin Yes, but it's also public beta 1?
@NicolasBarbulesco You can't open iCloud.com in Safari on iOS.
@stuffe It's just iCloud.com…? There's no news app even on beta.icloud.com?
@NicolasBarbulesco When you open Keynote on iOS without a document open, you get a thumbnail list of files—that's what I meant.
@NicolasBarbulesco You give a variety of permissions to the Exchange server when you sign in, whether you're aware of it or not, one of which is to erase the device to remove confidential information.
Jul 24, 2015 16:30
I have seen the web app, I was under the impression there was a native app in the paid Dev beta which is absent in the public beta, just as the native news app is absent
 
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Jul 24, 2015 20:53
@grgarside here's the assistant in an earlier update:
Jul 24, 2015 21:14
… although integration with the OS didn't happen until much later.
Jul 24, 2015 21:58
Promotion of Feedback Assistant to /System/Library/CoreServices/ occurred with 13D38. Apple opens OS X betas to consumers with Beta Seed Program included an outdated screenshot –
– no mention of the OS X Beta Seed Program in that AppleInsider screenshot.
I took the the following screenshot on 19th April, before the publicity. Please note the wording – "… must be registered with Apple Software Customer Seeding or OS X Beta Seed Program and enrolled in a current software seeding project." –
Jul 24, 2015 22:30
In the Apple Developer area, devforums.apple.com/thread/223898 (2014-04-10) observed the presence of Feedback Assistant in 13D38. More recently in the Apple Developer area, What is the best way to provide user feedback on El Capitan? noted that Feedback Assistant was installed by default – and that observation was more than two weeks before the public beta.
 
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Jul 25, 2015 05:51
@bmke @grgarside sorry, in my post a few hours ago chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/22997675#22997675 I wrote the wrong path. The earlier post at chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/22931679#22931679 was correct.
Specifically, the 13D38 promotion of Feedback Assistant – in pre-release OS X 10.9.3 – was:
– from /System/Library/CoreServices/ (where the assistant was integrated with pre-release Mavericks before 13D38)
– to /System/Library/CoreServices/Applications/(where the assistant became both integrated and easily found with Spotlight).
Jul 25, 2015 06:23
Then 13D43 (my screenshot above) discreetly allowed seed testers in at least one project to discover the words "OS X Beta Seed Program" before the existence of that programme became public knowledge.
Jul 25, 2015 06:35
Not long after publicity began, for the programme for OS X 10.9.3 beta, Apple's instructions included a shot of an earlier version of the assistant showing an earlier version of the operating system – OS X 10.9.2 (Build 13C64) –
The fixed size and shape of those windows were, to me, a big hint that eventually Feedback Assistant would appear on iOS. Before the OS X Beta Seed Program publicity:
– and for the latter, I wrote "The window is shapely … food for thought …".
Jul 25, 2015 07:10
Now, in Apple's words, "… OS X and iOS public betas come with the built-in Feedback Assistant …". As words to that effect may be commonplace, so readers may assume that with other builds of the operating systems (with builds that are not public beta), there is no OS–assistant integration …
… given Apple's words, that assumption is reasonable. Reasonable, but false. Truly, the OS-assistant integration is not limited to public beta builds of OS X.
I can't comment on Feedback Assistant in any build of iOS; I left AppleSeed a year ago (see my profile).
What's above should be just enough to demystify the relationships between Feedback Tools, Feedback Assistant and OS X.
 
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