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Oct 23, 2014 00:01
@ccorn: Do you know a good reference for elliptic integrals/functions? I always wanted to have a better handle on the stuff you referenced in this answer
@Semiclassical Classics first: Whittaker & Watson: A course in modern analysis. You'll never regret it. It covers elliptic functions and theta functions. Then, apart from the more systematic textbooks, I have found Borwein & Borwein's "Pi and the AGM" extremely worthwhile. And Weber's Lehrbuch der Algebra, vol. III, if you can read german and know in advance what he wants to tell you :-)
i probably can't put off W&W, can I
hadn't seen the B&B before
and I can't read german :P
i have a slight ulterior motive, in that your answer to that question always left me wanting more
Once you want to look at the modular bits, look at Zagier's texts. I find them enlightening.
ok. i know the ODE side pretty well, but modular stuff kind've goes over my head
"In the theory of Theta functions it is easy to find an arbitrarily large number of relations, but the difficulty begins where the objective is to find a way out of the maze of formulae. Occupation with those masses of formulae seems to have a withering effect on the mathematical intuition." -- G. Frobenius (translation attempt by me)
Oct 23, 2014 00:18
that's about how i feel whenever i try to open a book on theta functions
Theta functions? I only know sine of theta, LOL.
Guys, should I use lol or LOL in chat? Hmm...
@Semiclassical weakly related, I'd like to read about a method that can symbolically invert and simplify power series (or infinite lower triangular toeplitz matrices), giving general formulae for the terms instead of just working out initial ones.
i'd need to see that elaborated to quite follow it
the reason it came up for me was the physical interpretation of certain complete elliptic integrals, and the desire to efficiently invert/relate them
hence why things like K'/K are interesting
Oct 23, 2014 00:35
In a sense, the elliptic realm is circular, so you can always arrive at an inverse by going forward. From a period ratio $\tau$ define the nome $q$, from that compute Theta functions, from that elliptic integrals $K$ and $K'$, and their ratio gives you back $\tau$.
that makes sense. unfortunately the maze of things, as you quoted earlier, makes it hard to see the forest for the trees
in my case, i'd ideally want everything in terms of the $k$
In the above spirit, $k$ is just a Theta quotient
@JasperLoy I wrote fare-well, since most people don't interpret it as 'I want you to fare well'.
right
which is a nice statement, but makes my head spin a bit when i try to make practical use of it
@Chris'ssis I haven't slept $12$ hours in my concious life(Since I was a baby etc). I haven't slept $10$ hours since I was very sick many years ago and I sleep more than $7$ hours very rarely.
Oct 23, 2014 00:46
The Frobenius quote above heads the preface of a book by Günther Köhler on "Eta products and Theta series identities". Apart from working out 600 pages of formulae for levels up to 100, it has a very well written introductory/background part. Like Borwein's "Pi and the AGM", it manages to tell you almost en passant how to do some seemingly awkward bits of modforms calculations easily.
the chess allusion seems like an apt one, in that it the amount of complexity makes more sense the more of the logic that's understood
"level" was meant as a technical term here
ah. one i'd have to see to appreciate, i suspect
Note however that such a catalogue will only collect dust in your bookshelf unless you get some symbolic calculater (e. g. Pari/GP) and try out the presented series representations. Then you are in for a string of "Wow! It really works out!" moments.
good point
 
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