Conversation started Mar 31, 2016 at 7:10.
Mar 31, 2016 07:10
@Brian I just saw you comment on the HW chatroom. Since most of the HW is from new users (rep 1) that would not help. They need to be summoned to chat or gain rep 20. And with a sloppy HW this is simply not happening. So this idea is a dead end.
I kind of think that the only real approach is a faq like library for common hw questions. That of course should come with all the necessary explanations and a deeper insight, possibly more sources. And a couple of worked examples. This way we can close such "Is it correct?" question as duplicates. We still can tell them in the comments it's okay and if they want to know more they should check this post.
I believe that such questions open the possibility of encouraging new users to get active on the site. And active users is something we always need...
@Martin-マーチン HW chatroom?
that was some quick cleaning...
I'm a fast worker.
are you now...
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Mar 31, 2016 07:25
I think we need to say goodbye to the idea that we can help everyone.
Whenever did we say hi?
┬─┬ ノ( ^_^ノ)
what? hi?
ahh... ok
too slow today
you can't help all of the people all of the time
I think everyone is meant in that way that we don't exclude anyone from getting help @Mart.
And that is what's happening.
you can't help most of the people most of the time :/
Mar 31, 2016 07:26
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Help shouldn't literally be helping people get answers to their question.
obviously ... help is providing the necessary resources to help yourself
some people are beyond help
Help is how someone with the same question as me finds the answer to their question even though they were neither the answerer nor the asker.
That's what I said, isn't it?
Mar 31, 2016 07:30
It is.
But you're getting weary, and that's worse than not answering a HW vampire.
I have little time recently to answer anything... not even asking that question that is bugging me...
I am currently lost in code and can't think straight...
@Martin-マーチン What question is bugging you?
@Martin-マーチン Think curly then. !!table
Bah, where is Chemobot?
well, if i could tell you in a few words, i would have posted it already... :/
it needs research i can't do just now because codez
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Mar 31, 2016 07:53
┬─┬ ノ( ^_^ノ)
 
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Mar 31, 2016 10:07
Two tips: 1) 8675309 is not just prime, it's a twin prime, and 2) if you ever find yourself raising log(anything)^e or taking the pi-th root of anything, set down the marker and back away from the whiteboard; something has gone horribly wrong.
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$69^{\pi^\sqrt{5}}$
I <3 that
Mar 31, 2016 10:52
I think there's a typo there.
The second reaction should have the reactant 2MnO4 marked with (2-), not just (-)
Maybe I should ask a question about this on this site.
@IͶΔ I love xkcd
Me too.
$\displaystyle\lim_{8\to9}\sqrt{8}=3$
@Martin-マーチン Had forgotten that self-entry to chat required 20 rep. Good point.
@Martin-マーチン Yeah. The VTC reasons need to be changed, to avoid this kind of OP frustration, for sure.
yeah someone had this discussion earlier, but it simply is impossible due to anti trolling protection
Well, we need to change them to keep our frustrations at bay, too.
Mar 31, 2016 10:58
if people want to troll they will find a way...
yeah... but it's harder this way...
@Martin-マーチン This would almost require a new adjunct site, which would function ~completely differently from the SE model. It would be really awkward to try to cram into the Q&A structure.
register, interact positively, troll...
@CowperKettle Hmm, I think he wrote the overall reaction.
I'm kinda distracted right now tho'.
@Martin-マーチン Oh, absolutely. It's like WordPress just simply not allowing posting of images into blog comments. No one wants the kinds of images that 99.9999%+ of the comments would contain.
Mar 31, 2016 11:01
@Martin-マーチン Which is hard even for the most proficient trolls
Trolls manifest language sites though. @Cowper knows it
It's not worth their time -- too many easier targets
@CowperKettle The only thing you need to understand is starting looking for reaction mechanisms
Your curious mind needs a nicer thing to read than an online tutorial.
@Mart The whole time through this discussion I keep coming back to my positions stated here
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A: Policy on questions in basic mediums

BrianThese sorts of questions touch on the fundamental identity of the community. What do we want to be on- and off-topic here? Do we want to be a resource that extends to educating raw beginners? Do we choose to take on the responsibility to guide every misinformed, misguided, or confused individual...

No matter how good that might be.
@Brian true dat, the internet is full of easy targets ;-)
Mar 31, 2016 11:03
Go grab a textbook on bases vs. acids @Cowper, and then learn for yourself what happens in reactions.
Not merely products vs. reactants scheme
Things come up that make me go, "Ahhghggh, it would be so nice if we could help people like that!"
"..... but it just. Isn't. Practical. with the SE model."
4 hours ago, by skill patrol
you can't help all of the people all of the time
@Brian We all agree with each other but can't come up with something to do, or maybe feel too lazy/anxious/bored/worried to do so. It's like a bunch of kids around a cake not touching it because they worry they might finish it.
 
Conversation ended Mar 31, 2016 at 11:05.